start with direct modeling

[TECNOMODEL]

Good morning to all,
I write because a customer asks me to give him the work done with his software, direct modeling 19.
I use inventor, therefore a parametric, and consequently I am accustomed to working with a certain logic.
Now I should start hanging out with modeling, where can I find some manuals explaining the "philosophy" of this cad?
by philosophy I mean how the workflow is organized, what are file types, working environments, settings etc.

Unfortunately, the contract that require me is urgent enough, so much so that I will initially work at their home not having time to negotiate the purchase of a license, therefore also the idea of a small training course I have to set aside.

thank you all for the indications you want to give me.

p.s. I have downloaded, for now, the express version trying to impractice me with the guide. I leave every comment on the latter, unfortunately it is a common thing also in other cad. In my opinion they are created specifically to be useless, so it would be worth explicitly saying that the guide does not exist and if you want to do training you " buy" a nice course.

 

[stefanoparducci]

hello, creo element modeling is extremely easy to use but just because of its unique features in order to fully exploit it I recommend you to do at least a few days of course to avoid losing time and make the typical mistakes that all make as well as a little professional figure with your customer.... normally, for experiences made, who already knows another cad, in three days of course is fully operational. if your customer also uses a data management system, it is another reason to do a course because you may mistakenly harm their data archive. basic modeling techniques are fundamentally similar to inventor, if the profile is not parametric. the modification is completely different as it acts directly on the sides of the piece and is always working in a hybrid environment of assembly/modelling that allows to change parts simultaneously regardless of the structure.
If you need more information, please contact me.
greetings, stefano

 

[TECNOMODEL]

Meanwhile thank you for the answer.
as I said, unfortunately, time for a course we don't.
I will initially do the job with them, so I hope the designer/titular gives me the initial infarinate.
In the meantime, I would like to familiarize myself with the environment and, above all, with the method of work.
just to avoid harming erroneously.
I have seen something about modeling, compared to a parametric one, it is not that it is another world.
different is, I imagine, the approach to the method of work.
with the parametric imposed things so that changing a part is also changed what I decide to follow the "main" part.
I think it's not like that. In addition, what happens if the amount in one set is already created in another and the modification is also changed in the first or importing it I create a copy?
I would need, as a first step, to understand the "philosophy" of the software. Once I understand this then it will be up to me to adapt my working method, I imagine that what I use for the parametric is not good at all.

 

[Kaji]

In fact also for direct modeling there are the adv assembly and parametrics modules that allow you to set constraints for assembly and for automatic modification of the details. Moreover, for drilling and machining, the so-called patterns can always be defined, making changes easier.

 

[cacciatorino]

In fact also for direct modeling there are the adv assembly and parametrics modules that allow you to set constraints for assembly and for automatic modification of the details. Moreover, for drilling and machining, the so-called patterns can always be defined, making changes easier.

One of the modeling problems is the excessive granularity of licenses: to have all the modules that other cad give you with 5000 euros you have to spend three times so much, maybe 4.

for me the most hospitable problem at first was to understand something about copy-copy1 level-share, but fortunately colleagues have been following me and suggested, so I learned quickly. we say that the paradigms used are very different than the most modern systems, but eventually we get used to it. Perhaps, more than the contextual mode to which you are not accustomed, what makes you waste a lot of time is the large number of bugs and often unpredictable operation, which forces you to use in a very intensive way the car.

Also the way to manage the distinct is quite brainy and evolved, when compared to other competing systems, which I feel to say also for the annotation module, quite slow as speed and limiting as to functions.

Let's say it's a cad showing all his many years, and that I think it should cost half of what they make him pay and there'd still be an advance.

advantages of this cad:

1) the ability to manage really big assemblies
2) modeling speed: the absence of constraints allows to "resolve" quickly situations that with normal parameters would require many steps of modeling; the absence of the history of the model allows to overcome the problem of the conflict of features, which sometimes in the parametric prevents to correctly regenerate a model.

 

[Kaji]

returning to the topic according to me the best approach to use is to start from already created 3d models, copy them (if they are groups copy them to a level) and then change them by moving the faces, adding the processing, using radial shift commands, radial modification and pattern modification. this will be very useful to you even when you have to switch to the table since you can take advantage of the 2d design of the model from which you started thanks to the commands " copied algae", "variant algae" or "symmetric copy algae".
if instead you do not have a similar 3d model from which to start but only 2d sketches, it is advisable to copy and paste in the plan all the sketch of the axieme and then with the management of the profiles draw all the solids already placed and mounted and finally use on them the commands recognize fittings and the recognised so in case of successive shifts the bevels and fittings remain tied to the faces.
you also want to try the ptc part community command for commercial parties.
Finally, if you have a very fast solid state hard drive and not too large you can set automatic saves even very frequent.

 

[TECNOMODEL]

Today, from the client, I started to "study" this cad.
first impressions not really positive, but so much. I'll have to work with that.
Now I have to evaluate the purchase of a license to do the job from my home. from a first contact with ptc it seemed to me to understand that there are also tri/semestral licenses, although a retailer told me that there are only annual ones.
any of you have more precise news?
a license on how many stations can be installed?
inventor, for example, can also be installed on a laptop to be able to work outside the office.

 

[cacciatorino]

Today, from the client, I started to "study" this cad.
first impressions not really positive, but so much. I'll have to work with that.
Now I have to evaluate the purchase of a license to do the job from my home. from a first contact with ptc it seemed to me to understand that there are also tri/semestral licenses, although a retailer told me that there are only annual ones.
any of you have more precise news?
a license on how many stations can be installed?
inventor, for example, can also be installed on a laptop to be able to work outside the office.

In fact, it's pretty disorienting at first, but eventually we work. Remember that good cad is what makes you bill. ;-)

you can install the program on all stations you want: The important thing is that they access the license server, which is always floating, that is, you can start it on one ws at a time, no matter if in the office or at home. Clearly if you want to use the program on the pc at home or remotely, the license server must be on and the router must allow access to the license server port. That said, it's important, when you buy the program, to figure out what machine you want to calculate the license so you can access it from inside the office and from outside.

 

[Kaji]

inventor, for example, can also be installed on a laptop to be able to work outside the office.

years ago I read that even for direct modeling a license could be transferred to laptop, but I never tried.

 

[TECNOMODEL]

waiting for the quotation for the rental of the license I still take advantage of your knowledge and availability.
I saw that there is a modeling application that allows the exchange of files from inventor.
what advantages can it give compared to exchange in step or iges?
If it allows you to align data from separate base, for example, I could try to get it to the customer and do the job with my software, which would allow me more to be more productive.
thanks again for your suggestions.

 

[Kaji]

personally you do not seem a good idea; in general the files are imported and you work as if they were new, in my opinion if you do the double passage you lose all the information and you keep only the external form.
I tried to export a file in sat format and then import it and not only I was seen as an object different from the orginal, that is not shared it to me and this would be a great problem for management, but lost the information about table 2d, patterns, configurations etc etc.
If your client wants to have direct modeling files, I think the only way is to use direct modeling which, among other things, seems very intuitive and not to import them into inventor and then export them into modeling because in fact your client would only find 3d objects without the information and ties that you expect.

 

[TECNOMODEL]

I understand what you mean.
I hoped that the "module" paid for the bidirectional interchange with inventor would allow me to create the project in inventor already inserting all the data for the distinct base, materials, treatments etc. then "passing them" to modeling these were maintained.
At this point, however, I would be asked to the ptc lords as justifies the cost required for an additional module which, in all cases, does not serve anything, or rather, does the same work that can be done by passing the files in step in a completely free way.

 

[Kaji]

mine is only a hypothesis, it can be that then the module is "miraculous" and maintain everything, of this it is necessary to inform itself first, but said this seems very unlikely that it works well since in fact the software creates in fact the object 3d at the same time when it amounts and converts, in fact importing twice the same .sat the software sees them as two different objects.
the advantage of the payment form may however be twofold:
- conversion from inventor to modeling is perhaps better than conversion from step or sat
- having to make a single conversion and not first export a step from inventor and then import it into modeling, should already provide its better results.

Then it always depends on the 3d with which you have to deal, if for example you have to draw a very complex piece of fusion, then already the import into inventor with which you find yourself better should be an advantage, if instead they are groups formed by so many details with configurations, groups faces etc., then doing everything in modeling should be better.

 

[TECNOMODEL]

yesterday I had the listing for the three-monthly or annual rental of modeling.
I've sincerely been allied. costs as much as the inventor's license, for example. The latter however in the price includes a valid module for fem analysis, a cam 2 axes and 1/2, the vault basic (pdm), a module for rendering images and animation, a module for creating molds, all functions to create sheets, a cloud space where to share projects.
In short, a complete softaware, with in addition all the advantages of the parametric, in my opinion irrelevant to manage the job in the best possible way.
I honestly don't understand how a product like this can continue to remain on the market.
I would like to know your opinion about it, probably, not knowing the software thoroughly, I miss some of its merits or advantage over other products.