tariff for plasma bench design

[CaponeTEC]

Good morning to all and thank you for accepting me. For the first time I'm doing a job for a request outside the company I work for. having always worked as an employee I do not know the various facets and any average rates, therefore I have no idea how much to ask. I think it is appropriate to ask for a project cost. This is a modular cnc plasma cutting bench. useful cutting table 4500x3000. to the present I attach the drawing together. Of course, all the building details have been processed.

 

[infallibile_GF]

I don't see the drawing together!

 

[CaponeTEC]

allego design design

 

[PIETRO2002]

Did you start with the project from scratch or have a trace already? How many asses and subaxes have you done? How many details in everything? How many hours in total did you take study/assistance/particulars?

 

[CaponeTEC]

Started from scratch. studied entirely according to the technical requirements of the client. axiemi=6; under axiemi=8; details about 100. I can't quantify the hours because I've taken care of it occasionally during the "free" time.
2d 3d drawings and ifa analysis

 

[PIETRO2002]

Started from scratch. studied entirely according to the technical requirements of the client. axiemi=6; under axiemi=8; details about 100. I can't quantify the hours because I've taken care of it occasionally during the "free" time.
2d 3d drawings and ifa analysis

I say a 260-hour festry?

 

[TETRASTORE]

if you are an employee you can pay (as a rule) only as an occasional performance with the maximum limit of 5000 € (maximum annual limit). it is necessary to know also how you agreed with the customer because this can give an indication of what you expect from you, for example: "Do you then tell me what it costs," or "take me the time limit," etc.
If you don't have an accountant to pay or extra contributions to pay, I would suggest you to propose a sum of just below 5000 € (e.g. 4800), preparing you for a possible down negotiation in case the customer asks you, until the lower limit he will be willing to pay (this is because the job has already been done so you have to sell it at any cost).

 

[PIETRO2002]

if you are an employee you can pay (as a rule) only as an occasional performance with the maximum limit of 5000 € (maximum annual limit). it is necessary to know also how you agreed with the customer because this can give an indication of what you expect from you, for example: "Do you then tell me what it costs," or "take me the time limit," etc.
If you don't have an accountant to pay or extra contributions to pay, I would suggest you to propose a sum of just below 5000 € (e.g. 4800), preparing you for a possible down negotiation in case the customer asks you, until the lower limit he will be willing to pay (this is because the job has already been done so you have to sell it at any cost).

if the limit is 5000, if the hours I throw them are not heresy.. 5000/260 = 19 eurines/hour, better change sports.

 

[cacciatorino]

if you are an employee you can pay (as a rule) only as an occasional performance with the maximum limit of 5000 € (maximum annual limit). it is necessary to know also how you agreed with the customer because this can give an indication of what you expect from you, for example: "Do you then tell me what it costs," or "take me the time limit," etc.
If you don't have an accountant to pay or extra contributions to pay, I would suggest you to propose a sum of just below 5000 € (e.g. 4800), preparing you for a possible down negotiation in case the customer asks you, until the lower limit he will be willing to pay (this is because the job has already been done so you have to sell it at any cost).

if not mistaken, it is worth the limit of 5000 euros/year but with an additional limit of 2500 euros for the same customer.

 

[dsw]

the rule of 5000€ is a sort of metropolitan legend, on the site of the Ministry of Labour It is clear and, in my opinion, reliable.

in the past I have heard/read several theories on occasional performance, even from estimated accountants who did not fully know the subject.
reality is a little different.. .

In any case, on 5000€ you have to pay the taxes, so it is not 5000€ net.

 

[CaponeTEC]

Good morning. Your answers certainly gave me some reference I didn't have before. I'll try to deal with 5k. but for your experience and knowledge what are the criteria/tariffs you apply?
- € x n boards
- € x axiemi
- € x details
- € x consuntivated hours
possible differences € between carpentry, mechanics, piping.... I mean, if you have a general picture.
I repeat to be precise. It is the first time I try to do something outside my company and I have zero info on the various dynamics.
thank you for what you already posted.

 

[ceschi1959]

the fees applied by professionals take into account many factors, business risk, rents, employees, inail, inps and licenze cad legali.
comparing with professionals who have all these burdens does not seem correct.

 

[PIETRO2002]

Good morning. Your answers certainly gave me some reference I didn't have before. I'll try to deal with 5k. but for your experience and knowledge what are the criteria/tariffs you apply?
- € x n boards
- € x axiemi
- € x details
- € x consuntivated hours
possible differences € between carpentry, mechanics, piping.... I mean, if you have a general picture.
I repeat to be precise. It is the first time I try to do something outside my company and I have zero info on the various dynamics.
thank you for what you already posted.

It is not easy to answer your question, it depends on many factors:
geographical area in which you work: maybe in the north, they pay better than in the south.
added value you can give.
the design is paid more than the execution of the details.
If you design a plant worth 2000 euro is different from a plant worth 200000.
you could continue to infinity.
then at the end that count are the hours you spend and the hourly cost you need to apply, this depends on the fixed expenses you have, rents, programs, taxes, accountant any employees. .
depends on how much you want to earn and the saturation of your productive capacity.
Maybe an engineer does not work less than 50 euros/hour, a particularist 25/30??? a designer 35/40?? are numbers thrown out there that will certainly open the discussion a lot, but as specified at the beginning the variables are really many.

 

[Steppermotor]

excuse the banal question: but the company you work for agrees if you work in independence? Is it not that it can make you trouble?

 

[Mattech]

If the product that has developed, is not in direct competition with its company, it should not create problems, but most of the time depends on your employer as it takes it.

 

[infallibile_GF]

but before embarking on this enterprise, who commissioned you the job will have asked you a quote, or a hourly cost, just to get an idea of the amount you had to spend, or not?

 

[CaponeTEC]

but before embarking on this enterprise, who commissioned you the job will have asked you a quote, or a hourly cost, just to get an idea of the amount you had to spend, or not?

Sure. the initiative was born by chance. the client indicated me a budget that I was intuitive to be able to respect. In fact, from what emerges fully return.

 

[ragnol]

ps: if it is the only job you think of doing extra-dependence, and the 5000€ were few (and taking for granted that, for example, 8500€ is a figure that goes well to the customer), a very Italian thing would expose the 4900€ now (putting the items you want: feasibility study, design...) and the other 3600€ in January, to the worst as "consulence" (then January comes in a snee).
as already ventilated by someone, you can refer to the prices of your professional free colleagues if you have worked exclusively at your home (so not in office hours, they were also time cutouts, and/or using equipment of your employer), with your licensed software (so not crack and/or using the office) and also so you would still have many expenses less than a l.p. (commercialist, albi inscriptions, courses). If you agreed with your owner to work in the office better for you!

 

[dsw]

a very Italian thing

I am firm to the old system, cash payment, in small bills (type 1000/89) and travel crossing the Italian-Swiss borders on the streets of smugglers.....

ps: do not forget dark glasses and sunshine, we are in summer but if you do not put them risks that recognize you '

 

[ragnol]

I didn't understand your answer, but it's okay.