what do i expect?

[davide_r]

Here I am! I wanted to thank everyone for the advice and find this very interesting discussion. in particular I share the speech of pierarg and I would define it philosophy of life...:finger:


instead to davide_r I reply that it will seem like a cabbage but my experience as a operator is all the contrary of your: :mixed:
multi-national metalmechanical specialized in earth-moving machinery, 250 workers of whom more than 30% were with term contracts (a very high percentage in my opinion!).
in three years that I worked there I did not see an indefinite intake... but I say one!! ! !
many of those willing boys to learn the job, but always renewed from month to month...a sadness!!! in technical office few lucky with a stable place, clean and 300€ in envelope more than me.
I would say that as an experience I have enough to understand that you live better in the office, maybe it will not be so, but I know of course that I like mechanics and technical design and that surely the worker does not for me! then ok, in every company there is a different context...(and you also need to know that unfortunately I am stubborn and when I fix myself on one thing there is nothing to do).


returning to the main speech, I wanted to ask if someone knows how to say on average after how much you start to perceive a salary that makes you autonomous (pay a rent etc).
then if someone has had some experience abroad (here) I would like to know if it is possible to exercise only with the diploma or is it necessarily required to graduate??? and what are the best places for this type of profession??? I would like the Swiss.. .

Thank you very much in advance! ! !

rightly every situation is a case if, apart from the fact that in my area there are not even more multinational metal mechanics with 250 workers, but the speech of the “lucky in the office” I have already heard several times from people who think that the office is easy, of the type you put there to warm the chair waiting for a comfortable and easy salary at the end of the month. look that it is not so and once inserted, very often, you are not only asked to draw but, in addition to understanding what you are doing, you need specific knowledge of software, mechanics, plant technique, structural verification calculations (maybe in collaboration with engineers) and to know how to write and speak correctly to interface with customers and suppliers. However, if this is how you think it and that the path you intend to take is right, you must decide, respecting the will and freedom of choice of all. I can only wish you all the success you deserve.

 

[vale61]

here in briance and surroundings there are more demands of workshop operators/tools than designers.
But you put two variables at the moment that contrast a little: money and work you like.

Surely if I think about money and I'm a 24-year cnc operator, I'd try to make a good experience on machines a little more elite, for example at the moment a capable rectifier is much more valued/paid than a designer.

If you want to make the designer don't think about money and learn more than you can change companies according to what you like, for example, you could work 300 euros to learn how to design molds, rather than 600 to make machine manuals.

Of course my advice does not take into account the needs of "survival", in the end all with the ageing we accept compromises between money (which are still few) and personal aspirations (which we often put aside)... but if you at the moment are not family loads, six young people etc. maybe you can give more impotence to your aspirations.

whatever your choice is: best wishes.

Bye-bye.

 

[davide_r]

here in briance and surroundings there are more demands of workshop operators/tools than designers.
But you put two variables at the moment that contrast a little: money and work you like.

Surely if I think about money and I'm a 24-year cnc operator, I'd try to make a good experience on machines a little more elite, for example at the moment a capable rectifier is much more valued/paid than a designer.

If you want to make the designer don't think about money and learn more than you can change companies according to what you like, for example, you could work 300 euros to learn how to design molds, rather than 600 to make machine manuals.

Of course my advice does not take into account the needs of "survival", in the end all with the ageing we accept compromises between money (which are still few) and personal aspirations (which we often put aside)... but if you at the moment are not family loads, six young people etc. maybe you can give more impotence to your aspirations.

whatever your choice is: best wishes.

Bye-bye.

I share in full,

when starting to work in the mid-1980s, there was a large demand for office personnel because automation was still limited. even if there were computers and programs cad, their diffusion was limited and in most companies a design was made by hand to tecnigraph, each detail or together had to be made from zero in scale and quotated, in fact, it was not possible to make changes if not to circumscribed particular cases scratching on radex with the plate, finished the design it had to go to eliography to make copies for workshops, customers and suppliers and to the end.

all this involved the presence of a large number of staff in the technical offices that since the early 1990s, with the spread of programs cad and subsequently with internet and e-mail, is no longer required. Inversely proportional is the request of specialized technical personnel and mechanical operators capable of working on working centers that in the eighties represented an exception but today are the norm.

 

[davide_r]

I share in full,

when starting to work in the mid-1980s, there was a large demand for office personnel because automation was still limited. even if there were computers and programs cad, their diffusion was limited and in most companies a design was made by hand to tecnigraph, each detail or together had to be made from zero in scale and quotated, in fact, it was not possible to make changes if not to circumscribed particular cases scratching on radex with the plate, finished the design it had to go to eliography to make copies for workshops, customers and suppliers and to the end.

all this involved the presence of a large number of staff in the technical offices that since the early 1990s, with the spread of programs cad and subsequently with internet and e-mail, is no longer required. Inversely proportional is the request of specialized technical personnel and mechanical operators capable of working on working centers that in the eighties represented an exception but today are the norm.

instead of “when I started working” read “when I started working”.

 

[Mike1967]

instead of “when I started working” read “when I started working”.

but we well understood... your writing.. I read just...:biggrin:
to read in "Albanese"/"slav"...:smile: