working in agile

[Chris_BRB]

Good morning to all,
any of you have experience or heard of manufacturing companies that have undertaken the use of agile methodology? with which framework in particular?

 

[infallibile_GF]

bho... of agile methodology I know only one: to minimize the labor force, even below the necessary, and to make it clear as much as possible, making life almost impossible to the workers.

 

[meccanicamg]

definition always equal....explained on website Ministry.
agile work = smart working.... in front of a pc at your home as and when you want provided you provide performance compatible with business agreements.

 

[Chris_BRB]

I think I wasn't clear.
I do not mean agile work but work in agile with the scrum or kanban frameworks for example. They are working methodologies born in the software world and I was interested to know if some companies in our industry had applied them and with what results.

 

[meccanicamg]

definitionkanban è un framework Project management using visual tasks to manage workflows while ash è un framework Project management that helps teams to structure and manage their work through a set of values, principles and practices.

translationkanban is a structure Project management using operations visual to manage workflows, while ash is a structure Project management that helps working groups to structure and manage their work through a set of values, principles and practices.

the tailor made brianzolo, therefore makes tailor made products, is dynamic, overturns the precedences and activities according to the needs of corporate globality. seemingly confusing, it still throws resources, but carca to make everyone happy and eventually makes profit.

it is already so much to have a list of plants to do, a series of activities to carry out, how to design the machines, you change your mind 2-3 times if it is okay. No serial products.
If you see a gantt is already so much.

how do you apply these beautiful things that occasionally teach at university?

 

[wert]

I have no direct experience of scrum but a branch of the company where I worked uses this methodology in the field of development sw. in the design of products (electronics) instead we use the obeya (or war room) to synchronize the activities of each component of the design group and for sharing information in real time and visually.
as I see it, it is more suitable for the development of standard products; I don't know if you can apply to companies working on a contract, where every machine/line is practically a prototype, but I'm sure if you ask a consultant, you'll surely say that it is possible, indeed, indispensable. . .
In any case, for both methods, at least in the initial phase, it is necessary to rely on consultants (scrum master, lean master). I think it is unthinkable to try to implement these methodologies without someone who knows the subject in depth.

 

[Chris_BRB]

Thanks for the answers! I was interested in knowing the opinion of senior people who have been in this world for many years

 

[infallibile_GF]

then I have not yet understood the supercazzole that they want to say, although then perhaps in the company where work there is something like this: a software that manages projects, assigns and activities, manages priorities and allows team members to share information etc..eccc.. .
for me, for my role this system is only a way to download the leaders of any responsibility, or job regarding the programming of the lavish, establish the priorities and assign the correct and balanced workloads among the members of their own team. In practice I want to say that sti systems raise the heads of motle responsibilities, so dos empre less, but delegate software. so now they are really in the office only to break the assholes to people who break like niggers, without head or tail, totally incocious of the workloads and priorities of their subordinates.

these systems could only serve if they are adapted from time to time to the company in which they are implemented and also must always follow them and not only when it is convenient. because in the end this happens: the boss, when he is comfortable, compels to follow these methods inflexible and instead when he is not comfortable then you can also by-pass all working methods and all procedures. the result of this is simple: the employee, the designer in my case, who carries out an executive ruole, in the sense that it touches me smuggling to move forward the shack, finds himself with a lot of work to do and badly organized, badly scheduled, that is imposed on you by the software and moreover must also carry out those works imposed by your boss extra software, that you say but you...tanbto do it immediately is useless that I load this task in the system.

 

[meccanicamg]

then I have not yet understood the supercazzole that they want to say, although then perhaps in the company where work there is something like this: a software that manages projects, assigns and activities, manages priorities and allows team members to share information etc..eccc.. .
for me, for my role this system is only a way to download the leaders of any responsibility, or job regarding the programming of the lavish, establish the priorities and assign the correct and balanced workloads among the members of their own team. In practice I want to say that sti systems raise the heads of motle responsibilities, so dos empre less, but delegate software. so now they are really in the office only to break the assholes to people who break like niggers, without head or tail, totally incocious of the workloads and priorities of their subordinates.

these systems could only serve if they are adapted from time to time to the company in which they are implemented and also must always follow them and not only when it is convenient. because in the end this happens: the boss, when he is comfortable, compels to follow these methods inflexible and instead when he is not comfortable then you can also by-pass all working methods and all procedures. the result of this is simple: the employee, the designer in my case, who carries out an executive ruole, in the sense that it touches me smuggling to move forward the shack, finds himself with a lot of work to do and badly organized, badly scheduled, that is imposed on you by the software and moreover must also carry out those works imposed by your boss extra software, that you say but you...tanbto do it immediately is useless that I load this task in the system.

what you unfortunately see in many companies. then too many people who command but do not have the skills and above all do not know operationally what it means to do certain jobs.
the head of the office must be an operative, otherwise it's just chaos.

 

[wert]

then I have not yet understood the supercazzole that they want to say, although then perhaps in the company where work there is something like this: a software that manages projects, assigns and activities, manages priorities and allows team members to share information etc..eccc.. .
for me, for my role this system is only a way to download the leaders of any responsibility, or job regarding the programming of the lavish, establish the priorities and assign the correct and balanced workloads among the members of their own team. In practice I want to say that sti systems raise the heads of motle responsibilities, so dos empre less, but delegate software. so now they are really in the office only to break the assholes to people who break like niggers, without head or tail, totally incocious of the workloads and priorities of their subordinates.

these systems could only serve if they are adapted from time to time to the company in which they are implemented and also must always follow them and not only when it is convenient. because in the end this happens: the boss, when he is comfortable, compels to follow these methods inflexible and instead when he is not comfortable then you can also by-pass all working methods and all procedures. the result of this is simple: the employee, the designer in my case, who carries out an executive ruole, in the sense that it touches me smuggling to move forward the shack, finds himself with a lot of work to do and badly organized, badly scheduled, that is imposed on you by the software and moreover must also carry out those works imposed by your boss extra software, that you say but you...tanbto do it immediately is useless that I load this task in the system.

I'm sorry, but you're not working agile. .
premetto, these methodologies do not do miracles but, if well applied, they bring some benefit; nothing exclatating but some help.
the fact that you talk about "chief" in a rather disrespectful way is not a good symptom; You're working in a toxic environment.
if I don't remember badly, some time ago you were thinking about changing company; Perhaps it is the case of reconsidering this option, but trying to end up in a company where there is no "capo" to break the maroni but you have to look for a company where you can be inserted in a team where the leader is not there to break the maroni but to coordinate the activities for the achievement of the best result in the shortest possible time.
is in the sense of responsibility I give every member of the team the try to give the maximum to get to the result and that then will be rewarded in case of success (mbo)
for completeness of information: I am talking about structured companies, which carry out 7 or 8 projects at a time and each project is a obeya, consisting of a representative of each body involved in the process of product development (mechanical design-electronic design, engineering, purchases, quality, marketing, etc) and each of the components does not respond to their director but to the team leader.
the team leader must not necessarily be an operative, indeed...

 

[Chris_BRB]

I believe that the team leader must have strong knowledge of soft skills as well as techniques, but not for this reason should know all about the subject. can take advantage of technical figures with more experience than him to solve any complex problems.

 

[stevie]

all these methodologies of efficiency of production, including philosophies "lean manufacturing" and "six sigma " are applicable to well-structured and organized companies, of medium-large size, that make production in series...
from this it is deduced that 95% of companies in Italy are excluded,
to look well at the agile methodology, it appears something absolute common sense, as seen from the following scheme.
In summary, it provides for a careful evaluation of the needs and processes to be carried out, to provide a first impression of the same, to seek suggestions for the improvement of the same in the customer, final realization of the process/product , final evaluation of the result with the customer... and then to start again in a cyclical iterative process.
I repeat, all beautiful, as are wonderful philosophies lean manufacturing, 6s, tqm, etc...and I expect companies such as intel, toyota, siemens, etc. implement them daily.
well different the speech for the aziendina of the strike brambilla in turn.. .

 

[infallibile_GF]

But yes. I have always worked in the classic small and medium family run companies. and I can say that these systems are "too much", for companies like this. Moreover it is impossible in these small firms to find truly capable, prepared team leaders with soft skills. Usually the leading teams of the company of the skiur brambilla, are relatives and as soft-skill the most to which you can aspire is that I do not blasphemize you against, sacramenting to every little mistake, lack, or problem that manifests during the doing of your work.

 

[wert]

But yes. I have always worked in the classic small and medium family run companies. and I can say that these systems are "too much", for companies like this. Moreover it is impossible in these small firms to find truly capable, prepared team leaders with soft skills. Usually the leading teams of the company of the skiur brambilla, are relatives and as soft-skill the most to which you can aspire is that I do not blasphemize you against, sacramenting to every little mistake, lack, or problem that manifests during the doing of your work.

Maybe I'm off topic... I have also worked in these cases by 25/50 employees. It is true, typically the owner and his clan use authoritarianism instead of authoritativeness and often must swallow the toad. But I must say that what I learned in these companies served me a lot when I had the opportunity to work in structured companies. Many colleagues had never seen "the trucile", while I could exploit my experience, especially to break down certain suppliers who always think they have to deal with "books" designers and not "truciols".
said that, if you have accumulated some experience, try to make it fruity looking for a structured company and I assure you that a world will open to you.