let's talk about money... .

[S90]

Hello everyone!
I may have written a bit too much, but I think it might interest many and worth reading 2 minutes and discussing. . .

I'm still a mechanical engineering student, but I have to decide whether to be a specialist or not, and I would like to understand whether it's worth it or not....
I am 27 years old and I am out of course about 4 years for various problems... between the benches for 7 years and soon maybe I will take is blessed 1st level degree!
wanting to take that level 2 would take at least 2 more years of courses + the time for the thesis + any delays for some examinations to do more than once... let's meet therefore in all other 3 years...I would enter the world of work to 30 years!

Now, I am not practical of this world, but the voice that turns is that the greater you are the less likely that someone takes you to work. . .

taking into account all this. ..according to you it would be better to make the effort to take the specialist to have more work opportunities? because on the one hand it forms you better and therefore it is an advantage, but on the other it takes you more time and this creates you greater difficulties to enter the world of work.. .

There's something else that makes me titubate: the salaries of mechanical engineers! !
one who has the specialist on average how much he earns? Isn't it that I kick my ass on the books to see that the plumber that fixes my tap takes twice as much as me?? ?

to you the word... I hope you answer many...

 

[Ragsta]

Bye-bye

I want to start with a premise: "Surely your plumber will gain at least twice as much as you earn as you just graduated later. "

I think I just graduated from the first level or that it's specialized, you must first think about entering the world of work and if anything after thinking about pay.

Moreover he considers that while 10-15 years ago the engineer was an elite figure (see the small number and the great prospects of economic growth) and therefore could aspire to a "rich" professional career now the crisis and competition has made the engineer a figure easily reperibile and therefore devaluable (to speak for experience).

in my opinion (personal) no one here can advise you on what you should do and you have to decide alone to make the decision.

 

[poliba]

Bye-bye

I want to start with a premise: "Surely your plumber will gain at least twice as much as you earn as you just graduated later. "

I think I just graduated from the first level or that it's specialized, you must first think about entering the world of work and if anything after thinking about pay.

Moreover he considers that while 10-15 years ago the engineer was an elite figure (see the small number and the great prospects of economic growth) and therefore could aspire to a "rich" professional career now the crisis and competition has made the engineer a figure easily reperibile and therefore devaluable (to speak for experience).

in my opinion (personal) no one here can advise you on what you should do and you have to decide alone to make the decision.

dear s90,that the figure of the engineer has moooled inflaction with that of the plumber is known to all..... .

 

[Fulvio Romano]

do not take the specialist to be paid more. That's not the point, I can subscribe.
in the world of work, you will very rarely use what you are studying, at least from a rigorous point of view. what changes is the approach to the problem, and not the knowledge of more or less formulas.

The specialist you need for personal culture, I don't think it's practically considered.

Anyway I graduated with the old order, and so I don't know the market as you treat the new ones, but on my experience I can tell you this.

 

[poliba]

The problem is... Effectively. . Even at what age you get out of university... and in your case you have to weigh the choice if you continue or not...

 

[AlbertoC]

There's something else that makes me titubate: the salaries of mechanical engineers! !

:hahahah:

I have a friend who does both hydraulic and electrician... is my idol!

engineering is done by passion:finger:

 

[poliba]

:hahahah:

I have a friend who does both hydraulic and electrician... is my idol!

engineering is done by passion:finger:

Let's make her laugh. :smile:

only that if a malaugurically thought that in the meantime the engineering student tried to kill himself on the books...(and cmq was the usual university student squattrinated)....there was his peer. Hydraulic proof that already earned that nipple that was enough for him to have fun and vent...(and without any other thought whatsoever). ..comes to cry...

 

[incasinata]

only that if a malaugurically thought that in the meantime the engineering student tried to kill himself on the books...(and cmq was the usual university student squattrinated)....there was his peer. . .Hydraulic test piece that already earned that gruzzolo that was enough for him to have fun and to vent...(and without any other thought whatsoever). ..comes to cry..

mha...mha...mha. .
So you think that a 18-year-old, who decides not to continue his studies, and thinks about starting a job (both it plumber or electricist or... whatever you want) has no "another thought whatsoever"....and as you say "engaging that nipple that was enough for him to have fun and vent." mha...?
Do I understand?

 

[poliba]

mha...mha...mha. .
So you think that a 18-year-old, who decides not to continue his studies, and thinks about starting a job (both it plumber or electricist or... whatever you want) has no "another thought whatsoever"....and as you say "engaging that nipple that was enough for him to have fun and vent." : mha...?
Do I understand?

Of course, throwing there seems a little weird.
I'll explain better. some of my peers began immediately after the third media to learn the craft... obvious that already at 19 years... and better yet at 23 years... has already learned a lot... and has already its first satisfaction in economic and professional terms.

at the same age... a boy who studies engineering... is doing a bouquet so on the books... he has no money in his pocket because he does not work (or does something jumping)... and you can afford very little, because simply nn earns.

If you put us both living in the parents' house... the plumber nn doesn't even pay rent!

Of course everyone makes his choices.. and it is right that it is so... and also provided that all this has always been so... but there is a difference: a time after a few years, the engineer was rewarded in everything and for everything (in the economic field, at the social level, etc.)...today, at least as far as the economic field, even after years of work it is difficult that an engineer arrives to earn as his hydraulic peer.

all here.:smile:

 

[Il marangon]

Hi.

I have a friend, graduated with 110 and praised in environmental engineering and not even finished the thesis that he had already worked in hand. it lasted a year and a half with 1100€ discards per month and now it is put to make plexiglass prototypes.
the question because you changed the answer was: it makes me more.

putroppo there are inflated sectors, too many people specialized for a market that cannot absorb them: Secretaries, professors, lawyers etc. and sectors that would deny qualified personnel such as carpenters, hydraulic eletricists etc. where the contract power is very high (another eletricist friend first use 1200€/month + out-bust!!)

It is necessary to take the school as the Roman fulvio said: "in the world of work, you will very rarely use what you are studying, at least from a rigorous point of view. what changes is the approach to the problem, and not knowledge of more or less formulas. "

 

[Meccbell]

old issues, the age of access to work and the real value of the degree.

we start from the first, to get to the second, and more specifically: 4 years off course... also imagining various problems and possible... the question is always the same:
but a job also jumper/part time/not necessarily from technical office no, huh?
without pretending to break the world, but at least to begin to understand how smoke turns in the "real world" of factories or offices.

and therefore reaching the second question, who would hire a nearly thirty-year-old without or almost no practical experience of operational work?
and, above all, between a plumber, an electrician, but also a lather or miller, maybe "smanettoni", but "factive" (read turnover at the end of the month) and a neoing. all equations, diagrams and technical relations, but with very little, for the moment, productive "output", you who would pay more?

 

[ziotoy]

the choice must be just yours and the experience of others is not said to be the bible and so that you have to finish just like that.
I have a friend engineer (I am not) and don't earn much more than me.perhaps over time yes, the gap will increase, maybe but it is not said.
for my personal experience I can say:
1) the engineer equation=soldi is not true.
2) no employee made the money.
You deduce.
Say hello, Uncletoy.

 

[Alberto.E]

one must consider the passion and the predisposition of a person to do a job rather than another (except for cases of extreme need in which one adapts); and it is wrong to think that those who study are "losing" time compared to those who have the media dismissal and do the plumber. are only choices of life and if the choice is conscious and made with passion never comes the doubt of having done the wrong thing.
as regards the economic factor: We said that the gain is not directly proportional to the years of study but more years studies, the more you will have an elastic mind and prepared to face the most various problems of a company for example, even if it is arguments far from your branch of specialization.

 

[Mario SJPD]

but more years studies, the more you will have an elastic mind

Are you still talking about engineers?? ? ?
I have never met engineers with elastic mind...then their strength is precisely in the rigidity of the method with which they also face problems different from their specific field (in this I give you reason).

 

[re_solidworks]

I would be in you specialist, for the simple reason that in its time for various reasons I didn't feel like continuing and I started working. I still wonder how things would have gone if I continued.
If you put it in economic terms according to me is the market law. I know engineers who earn very little (paradoxically less than me) and others who earn astronomical figures. depends on how much you learn, how you learn it and especially what you can do in the world of work.
If you start working, you'll have a good experience and you'll be able to do it before and after others, you can pretend to be adequate, otherwise you'll have to settle. basically more studies build solid foundations, then the real construction do it with experience.

 

[Alberto.E]

eh, eh, eh?
Well... maybe "mental elasticity" is not the right term, but I meant that the study in general leads you to have a more trained mind (see montalcini :biggrin: ). It's like an athlete from a race, the more trained he's more likely to win.

 

[michele81]

I am engineer 3+2 and I am of the idea that with this order to stop to the three years and to pretend to be an engineer is very pretentious!The gaps are many and there have not been many of the important issues that allow to address sectors and speeches a little more complex!
said this I do not know employees (technical workers) who have enriched themselves.
I know plumbers who work in their own (with the associated risks) who earn a lot, but they work a lot. of electricians instead there are many more and also in own it is more difficult.
of three-year engineers I know a few and often make simple designers or follow customers as assistance. salaries I think are more or less the same at the beginning, but if you are good and lucky the jobs can be much more interesting!

 

[Fulvio Romano]

1) the engineer equation=soldi is not true.

When was it ever?

2) no employee made the money.

Well, executives are always addicted, and they bring home a nice little boy. . .

[...] It is wrong to think that those who study are "losing" time compared to those who have the media dismissal and do the plumber. are only choices of life and if the choice is conscious and made with passion never comes the doubt of having done the wrong thing.

the equation <guadagno> = k <anni di="" studio=""> It's even more wrong than the one upstairs. you do not study to earn, but to know and to be able to do a job you like and creative. selling vegetables to the market makes you pay a mortgage in ten years, if you make the engineer at a certain time, the mortgage doesn't give you that.
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Are you still talking about engineers?? ? ?
I have never met engineers with elastic mind...then their strength is precisely in the rigidity of the method with which they also face problems different from their specific field (in this I give you reason).

Perhaps the term "elastic" is here misinterpreted. the engineer has no strict method at all. typically if a problem has a solution, a form or manual is used (see for example geometri). If the problem has no solution, the engineer asks to find one the same. therefore engineering is the antithesis of rigidity and rigorous method. is creativity, elegance of solutions. the "problem" of the engineer is another...is that this mentality applies it to all fields of life... need to buy a new cell phone? you choose with a matrix of concordance/discordance. Do you have to marry or not? the multipliers of lagrange come to help. accept the new job or not? it's multivariable sub-wine optimization.
but I assure you that approaching like this to life, can exasperate someone, but has its positive sides.

 

[Fulvio Romano]

old issues, the age of access to work and the real value of the degree.

we start from the first, to get to the second, and more specifically: 4 years off course... also imagining various problems and possible... the question is always the same:
but a job also jumper/part time/not necessarily from technical office no, huh?
without pretending to break the world, but at least to begin to understand how smoke turns in the "real world" of factories or offices.

and therefore reaching the second question, who would hire a nearly thirty-year-old without or almost no practical experience of operational work?
and, above all, between a plumber, an electrician, but also a lather or miller, maybe "smanettoni", but "factive" (read turnover at the end of the month) and a neoing. all equations, diagrams and technical relations, but with very little, for the moment, productive "output", you who would pay more?

If you say so, you cut your veins, but I'm mostly in agreement with you.
the only speech that perhaps is to be retouched is the fact that if a "actual trainer" is better than "an engineer all equations" means that you are asking the engineer to do the job of a lather. is what many companies do: "I take the engineer, it costs me equal (at least) but it gives me more shine."
This is one of the reasons that made the profession of engineer so poor. "all those equations, diagrams and technical relationships" is obvious that they are useless if you make them do the lathe, not only, but a lather will be much better, because that is not the craft of the engineer.
vice versa...you ask a lather to evaluate to the eye the feasibility of a new central, providing it only budget, output power and estimated energy quotations for the following years.. The engineer gives her an answer, and she justifies her.

please, everyone did their job, in that is certainly much better.

 

[sampom]

The plumber that put me on the tap takes twice as much as me?? ?

this always and anyway:biggrin:
perhaps instead of losing years of studies it was better to 14 go to do the garzone from these.. I stopped after graduation, but often it's what I think about it:frown:

greetings
Marco:smile: