but small businesses?

[Albertuan]

Good day to all,

I work in the vice zone, in an entrepreneurial fabric composed of micro enterprises. Until now, at least this is my experience, I almost never managed to digest pdms, figure us a plm system.

I'll explain. small companies have peculiarities: (usually)
- They don't have any money.
- do not produce on large scale, very often they are continuous prototypes.
- corporate roles are confused or at least multiple for each subject.

therefore a technical data management, i.e. an implementation of:
- coding
- storage
- research
- revision / versioning
for the only drawings is all that so far "was great".

as soon as you begin to instill with:
- document flows
- product/production configurators
- rigid internal procedures
the market I mentioned before does not transpose them.

the question therefore is: are we talking about market niches accessible only to large companies?

Does anyone have experiences in small business ?

 

[Er Presidente]

Good day to all,

I work in the vice zone, in an entrepreneurial fabric composed of micro enterprises. Until now, at least this is my experience, I almost never managed to digest pdms, figure us a plm system.

I'll explain. small companies have peculiarities: (usually)
- They don't have any money.
- do not produce on large scale, very often they are continuous prototypes.
- corporate roles are confused or at least multiple for each subject.

therefore a technical data management, i.e. an implementation of:
- coding
- storage
- research
- revision / versioning
for the only drawings is all that so far "was great".

as soon as you begin to instill with:
- document flows
- product/production configurators
- rigid internal procedures
the market I mentioned before does not transpose them.

the question therefore is: are we talking about market niches accessible only to large companies?

Does anyone have experiences in small business ?

Cultural revolution will serve 4 or 5 selective crises to achieve a generational and cultural change.
Unfortunately, the replacement is happening in geographical areas, too complicated and expensive to evolve an existing industrial fabric, it is first done to remake it ex novo in china or elsewhere where the "desert" or the "tabula rasa" makes immediate economic returns.
in five years we will find that in the fury of tertializing we will have a fist of flies in hand and we will go to the Chinese to learn to work.
Meanwhile, we'll go for free to eat pizza from our children.

greetings

 

[cacciatorino]

as soon as you begin to instill with:
- document flows
- product/production configurators
- rigid internal procedures
the market I mentioned before does not transpose them.

the question therefore is: are we talking about market niches accessible only to large companies?

Does anyone have experiences in small business ?

I think it's normal, the competitive advantage of small business is in flexibility and rapid response.
If, on the other hand, the individual designer must be forced to follow the procedure so that on Saturday morning in the absence of the shop manager can't pass the design to the outside workshop to make the change that must be ready on Monday morning, you understand that this advantage goes to the cellar.

I by small company mean 15-20 employees, then obviously depends on case to case.

 

[stevie]

you used the right term..."infognare"

 

[maxopus]

I disagree.
in Italy we believe that moving cards quickly is a competitive advantage.
This is exactly what condemns our companies to technological and organizational backwardness.
here we do not talk about companies with very high craftsmanship that make very small productions.
our small companies are for the vast majority of third parties dealing with molding, sheet processing, milling and turning, wooden prefabricated for the furniture industry, glassmakers, varnishers and so on, for large companies.

I have never seen in these companies a rage of organizational system worthy of that name.
everything is sketched, hinted and should not be of trouble to the pieces to do.
then the pieces to do are not consistent even in 30% of the cases ... but does nothing the important thing is to deliver in time.
This is why the Japanese, despite not having a minimum of taste in design, have destroyed us in many sectors.
they began to set up quality and organizational systems more than 50 years ago.
we have as conception of the company the shop that delivers things today for tomorrow, the constraints and the prices are made by the head ... that is what has the head, the others are all goats at his service.
Unfortunately this is partly true, because people cost too much, so it is better to take people with few claims, that they are not discussing and that they are good...
We are very badly injured, we will find out in a while, as the president says.

 

[Matteo]

on the one hand I agree that the "small companies" (less than 15 employees) do not have the slightest consideration for the management of information, which is often left to the memory of the "historical" designer (not few times coincides with the owner). the same encoding of the parts is often absent and it is not something recently. from here, however, to "recommend" a pdm for companies with which they often have a single postage cad seems to me that the step is long: often it would be enough of "method" in the organization of theut.

 

[cacciatorino]

Unfortunately this is partly true, because people cost too much, so it is better to take people with few claims, that they are not discussing and that they are good...
We are very badly injured, we will find out in a while, as the president says.

we must not confuse things, here we were talking about:

1) coding parts (yes, mandatory for all)

2) implement pdm on small companies (maybe yes, boh? )

3) implement erp systems that also take into account the washbasins for the bathrooms (here's to wonder if the expense is worth the enterprise, I often feel of companies that put us a year to send to such systems).

As matteo said, 95% of the problems are solved with careful management of theut (often you see also here on cad3d of people who save the projects on the disk c:, it means they don't even have a server), for the remaining 5% should be evaluated randomly. it is not said that the world must be divided between "cantinari" and among those who have the complex management cost 250,000 euros, there are so many ways of means.

 

[Matteo]

we must not confuse things, here we were talking about:

1) coding parts (yes, mandatory for all)

2) implement pdm on small companies (maybe yes, boh? )

3) implement erp systems that also take into account the washbasins for the bathrooms (here's to wonder if the expense is worth the enterprise, I often feel of companies that put us a year to send to such systems).

As matteo said, 95% of the problems are solved with careful management of theut (often you see also here on cad3d of people who save the projects on the disk c:, it means they don't even have a server), for the remaining 5% should be evaluated randomly. it is not said that the world must be divided between "cantinari" and among those who have the complex management cost 250,000 euros, there are so many ways of means.

quoto and I bring an example: a company in my area (ex customer unfortunately:frown has a swx station and one with 2d type autocad (which use only to manage drawings from the laser cutting machine). the company has 15 employees (1 ing, 1 dis per l'ut, 2 commercials, 2 administrative employees, 9 workers) and if necessary a consultant for the fem. to manage the technical documentation has been entrusted the task of building a database to a computerized ing (chosen according to the thesis) to which the indication of "inventing" coding of the parties/projects, procedures, management of the solved working a summer and relying only on msaccess and some utility in vbasic written ad hoc for backups... in addition to powerpoints to create "posters" to hang everywhere with procedures and "sintassi" for coding. from my point of view the company has obtained what it wanted, it has not faced unnecessary costs for oversized systems, it maintains control of its internal organization. Unfortunately it is true that it is most likely a white fly.. .

 

[maxopus]

It is obvious that the management tool ('a capa' would say shiren, a sheet of excel, access or intralink + sap or who has + or put it) must be absolutely proportional to the amount of data to be managed.
if a company manages 10 orders a year of considerable simplicity ... the pen and the paper from cold cuts.
if a company manages 5,000 orders per year and 20,000 custom codes the speech changes and much.
in this second category of companies (I know different) you see the most daunting things.

 

[Albertuan]

well, more or less the common line emerged, and a partial confirmation.

I am continuing in my work of conviction of customers, mostly all small or very small enterprises, to equip themselves with small tools suitable to solve the problem of the departmental. then, when they grow, I collect the various departments with congruous customizations "middleware".

I don't know about you, but this is the only road I've seen to bear. super mega plm dropped from above, perhaps for my limited personal experience, I have never seen it turn well. :frown:

if a company manages 10 orders a year of considerable simplicity ... the pen and the paper from cold cuts.

Um... no more than I do. I think whoever puts himself to produce a document should give him a unique id. if it is a technical design, van handle the revisions. for the rest quoto in full.

"poster" to hang everywhere with procedures and "sintassi" for coding.

Okay, as long as you're all back at a table and there's someone watching. then a little something that computerically replaces encoding books, at least for the allocation of progress, is useful.

3) implement erp systems that also take into account hand washbasins for bathrooms ...

That's right. There was someone who made me implement something like that. 15 employees (technical office ranging from 1 to 3 employees ), and I developed a coding plan from more than 9000 knots.

will serve other 4 or 5 selective crisis to get a generational replacement

I hope not, because at the next crisis I don't know if I step down!:36_1_3:

 

[Er Presidente]

I hope not, because at the next crisis I don't know if I step down!:36_1_3:

the past (passed? It wasn't a selective crisis, but an indiscriminate massacre.