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[Ydesigner]

Hello everyone, I am taking an assessment of the possible adoption of a pdm in a bologna manufacturing company, and I am addressing you industry experts for some advice!

my reflection is on the software provided by newmacut, dbcent dbworks and solidworks epdm, being already the established supplier of solidworks for the company, but are also appreciated alternatives.
list the necessary requirements and straight appearance to understand how to evaluate them at technical level!

integration with existing solidworks and programs (management and product configurators)
management of the basic
secure database
management changes and revisions
customization (automatization of procedures) and scalability
support for multi-sede design (with a single database! )

Thank you! :

 

[re_solidworks]

for solidworks I have been using for a few years ready2works of readysolutions after abandoning dbworks.
I recommend that you be followed by those who produce pdm and not resellers, I think that's the reason that eventually gave us dbworks.
avoid a word that costs money and leads to slowdowns (or worse resolutions) of problems.
answering by step-by-step to your questions. . .

ready2works has a proprietary configurator that you can buy or not,
manages the basics as all pdms and communicates with the management

secure database??? ? What does that mean? If you mean you have to work with the vault...ready doesn't use this system by choice and I share this 100% choice.

management changes and revisions there are and are now consolidated functions.

customization: it is possible to have customizations, of course, but I think it is appropriate to "understand" the product because it is already very vast.

support for multi-sede design: supports it and I'm using it, you have to understand if the mechanism you like. using a single database and collating through vpn or other systems...believe is not the maximum, nor in terms of waiting time (depends by adsl lines that are not always performing).
ready uses a very simple mechanism as effective for this type of problem, I don't tell you in detail, but I guarantee that it works, if you make a demo ask them in detail how it works.
Keep in mind that ready is not a fine pdm to itself but contains a lot of useful features that make life much easier to designers.
I suggest you see it and make you make a targeted demo on your issues.
I also recommend you make the ready demo first, so you can ask others to implement what you care about ready, meaning that if you see something interesting you want in others you ask it as "personalization".
available if you need more info...

Let me know how it goes and good choice.

 

[Ydesigner]

the idea of being followed directly by producers is undoubtedly sensible and efficient;
especially for dbcent, I would say that newmacut itself is the software manufacturer!
regarding dbworks can I ask you in your opinion what are the fragile points or what did not meet your needs?

the configurators in the company are already effective, so would the pdm have to adapt, at least in part, to what is already: ready2works is quite flexible from this point of view?is also well integrated in solidworks? How long would they take to prepare a demo?

In addition, which other software you rated before deciding for ready2works? ?

A lot of questions, take patience! :

 

[re_solidworks]

I used only dbworks before buying ready2works, for the flexibility of ready...I can't tell you, I never put it to the test in that sense because we had nothing already ready.
I've never seen him and I can't tell you anything.
dbworks I found it very sluggish, very much and leaves too much freedom to technicians to do what they want, even big cabbages.
ready sets rules, which decide in the implementation phase, and that make sure that the technicians work all the same. It is not obligatory to do so, there is also way of working "free to dbworks" but in my opinion a pdm must above all facilitate the organization of the job and this ready does it egregiously.
for the demo you have to contact readysolutions, I do not sell it, I use it only. be careful because not all sellers, especially in this field, give you judgements of their products.
I mean that a good provider/consultant of software, if you understand that a product that he does not sell is the most suitable for your issues should tell you, not all do so, therefore feel all the possible bells if you want to make a safer purchase.
So much for the record dbworks sold it to us and we were followed just by newmacut.... .

Keep in mind that this is a very important choice and if you miss the migration to another system costs a lot in terms of time (and therefore €) both for the technicians of the company and for the systemists.
value well and insist, hear all the bells. a demo costs you 3-4 hours of time, maximum one day.
additionally if you feel more providers that satisfy you likewise you can also pull on the price. the monopoly puts the knife on the side of the handle of your supplier.

when you ask for the quote not only ask for the cost of the licenses, because for most products it costs much more the implementation in the company.
ask for a finished cost of the product, otherwise you start to spend and get the result prefixed and not to throw the previous money, you find yourself hunting for a lot of money.
A complex implementation can cost a few tens of thousands of euros, as you could instead have a product that makes 90% what you need and costs almost nothing.

 

[Ydesigner]

I'm very happy with everything you said, I think it's very important for the preventive phase just to fail to make c@te in the decision and implementation of the system.
basically think about it first!

If dbworks was sniff and unreliable at the same time, your opinion is that it worked really bad so... of the kind not even consider it?

At this point I worry about the speech of the assistance of newmacut... I have an appointment for next Wednesday with the representative who will explain (I hope) what I basically asked you. Now I have a nice flea in my ear that I think will make me be careful! :
if you had to draw up a table with the technical characteristics of a pdm to be evaluated, what could not be missing? You can put all the fields you want!

and always for the record, between licenses and implementation what has come to cost you (it seems to me to understand about 20-30 thousand euros)? ?

Are you really talking about ready, sure you're not a dealer, or one of the 2 partners??

Thank you for your help!!

 

[re_solidworks]

If dbworks was sniff and unreliable at the same time, your opinion is that it worked really bad so... of the kind not even consider it?

attention, this was the experience of a company that was followed badly, the product, from what you read, seems to be valid. the only thing I recommend, if you go on dbworks let you follow directly from mechworks.

At this point I worry about the speech of the assistance of newmacut... I have an appointment for next Wednesday with the representative who will explain (I hope) what I basically asked you. Now I have a nice flea in my ear that I think will make me be careful! :

we have given up newmacut for a few years, it can be that things have changed, we have not found ourselves well, but many are satisfied. for this I recommend you evaluate all your options and organize meetings and demos with everyone. If someone tells you "you can do" and doesn't show you... hard.

if you had to draw up a table with the technical characteristics of a pdm to be evaluated, what could not be missing? You can put all the fields you want!

I need some time. As soon as I have a second I try to write something to you. the problem is: why settle for a pdm when you can have an instrument that also facilitates you in other?

and always for the record, between licenses and implementation what has come to cost you (it seems to me to understand about 20-30 thousand euros)? ?

They asked me to make dbworks do what he was doing ready. ready is much more affordable. . .

Are you really talking about ready, sure you're not a dealer, or one of the 2 partners??

Thank you for your help!!

How do you know the partners are two? They have already educated you saying that it is a software house of two people, who cannot give you adequate assistance, etc....... ?
I speak well of ready because the product is undoubtedly valid, it costs the right and not crazy figures and because the small software house, which has no time to listen to customers, that does not do adequate assistance (so they say their competitors) in the 2010 version has introduced practically everything that I asked among the news....better than so!

I am owner of a small design studio, I do not sell and do not consult/assistance. I'm just talking about my experience.

synthesising I'm not here to tell you ready is the only product for you, I'm just telling you to take it into consideration like other delgi and I recommend you to see at least:

dbworks
dbcent
pdmworks enterprise
ready2works

then throw the sums alone... and good evaluation! ! !

 

[re_solidworks]

read also this discussion, at least feel someone else too
http://www.cad3d.it/forum1/showthread.php?t=14862&highlight=ready2works

ciao

 

[Ydesigner]

Meanwhile thanks to availability!c is a way to score your contribution on the site? ?

If you really want to draw up some sort of tabellina or a list described I would be in the seventh heavens! :

As for the discussion you indicated, I had already read it!as all those who also speak of pdm banner!

when you mean a tool that makes you more comfortable with what you mean? ?

in tremendous anticipation of your technical evaluation method of a pdm!
I think many will thank you! !

 

[re_solidworks]

Meanwhile thanks to availability!c is a way to score your contribution on the site? ?

You can increase my reputation by pressing the bottom left balance in each post.

If you really want to draw up some sort of tabellina or a list described I would be in the seventh heavens! :

As soon as I've got a moment, I'll get you some patience, I'm pretty busy.

As for the discussion you indicated, I had already read it!as all those who also speak of pdm banner!

I'm glad, it means there's still someone who reads the regulation and respects it! It is also the most constructive way to use the forum, in all directions.:finger:

when you mean a tool that makes you more comfortable with what you mean? ?

ready has a series of integrated functions, already ready (do not charge them extra as customizations) integrated.
for example if I have to print a set with all its components and in the various formats it is enough:

1- select the axieme
2- choose "reepylogated list"
3- Select what I need to print (if all dx-> select everything)
4- press press press
5- Choose setup
6- give ok

at that point solidworks begins to "scroll" (opens and closes the drawings as quickly as it can) and exit the a4-a3 on the laser, the a2 on the small plotter, the a1 and the a0 on the big plotter.
in 3 people to bend and reorder the designs you cannot stand behind them.

to make ready dxfs for laser cutting (lamiere) there is an ad hoc function

to export files there is a system similar to prints and simultaneously expose everything you need (e.g. iges+pdf+dwg)

There is a function that automatically creates the "type" lists, which always starting from a set, create a document for each workmanship, stuck in a series of a4.
for example for turning creates a document with 5-6 codes per page and for each code there is a view and a set of notes. the result, for those who manage the commission is very useful.

in 2010 will make nesting on rod for welded...

In short, there are a lot of things to see and I recommend you once again to call them, they are honest people and if they see that their product does not do for you or adapt it properly or "molar". I think this is a great value.
There are also some functions that I do not use on which I can not give you a judgment.

how did I tell you, why settle for a tool that manages coding, synchronization, revisions, and all the functions of classic pdm when you could have a tool like this?
Moreover, in my opinion, at finite work, implanted, working and with due training of technicians, you will be able to cost even less...

 

[re_solidworks]

I forgot something else: ready manages configurations and welded well. Do others?

 

[Ydesigner]

I have to say that your description broadens the possible uses to the somewhat limited vision that I had made of a pdm tool - the appointment with newmacut is slipped to Thursday, typical!spero in that place to hear me describe products equally versatile, that in fact lower need of the least customization (costosa) possible.

waiting for the magic tabellina! without haste and already thanks for the contribution (reputation +1!) you are giving

 

[KTI]

Bye to all,
I put myself in this discussion because I am a software developer. . .

the choice of a plm must necessarily start from the business needs, from the structure of the same, methodology of work, entities in field, localization of the sectors.
I personally follow the topic plm, crm, erp for a long time and I can assure you that I have seen several software promises, cost an enormity and yield in front of the fact that promises are often not maintained. . .

Without leaving the cost speech, I recommend "dialogue" with companies that produce software, because only I understand the concrete needs you can define a main and correct guideline.

we ourselves, especially as developers, but also after evaluating some products, we decided for our mechanical production activity, to develop a plm in the house, it came out a rather valid solution that on request we packaged and made sold and that allows (economically) even the small entities to have a tool that does what has to do a plm and nothing more: the organization of data and the connection of information with a sales management base, separate base, shipping. . .

I would not want someone to think of any kind of spam, therefore not public links, but if someone is interested I can give you the link of the application we are developing and that will soon be included also among third-party software compatible with rhino.

I would like to make myself available to dialogue with those looking for customized solutions.

Currently we have know how to develop also on other platforms and in other languages, although for convenience and speed in development, for the basic package we chose vb but soon we will migrate to .net

 

[Ydesigner]

kind kti, thanks to your contribution, I agree with your suggestions, and I would gladly see this link! :

Also, as I asked the very available re_solidworks, could you indicate me a line for a pdm assessment (we don't need a plm!)? ?

in particular a kind of tabellina with your criteria, matured by the experience, evaluation of the software tool? ?

p.s.: some needs I have already listed them in a previous message.

Thank you!

 

[KTI]

Hi.
Quickly I can bring you my quickest tool: the customer!
or, generally (at least for my experience) customers ask in order:

modularity, customization, service, ease, and cost

modularity
- product management to modules that can "follow" the activity and grow with it, therefore, availability of the product to be managed to modules and not "all immediately" nice to see but that could negatively impress the customer.

customization
- inevitable that the customer sooner or later asks you the function that "no exists". give it the possibility to ask and have customizations to pleasure can also be a good method
professional growth of the product itself. I have discovered this over time especially with erps, in the development phase of the basic package, often leaves some function because simply you do not think, so the customer comes who asks you if it exists and makes it simply the most complete package.

assistance
- response times and communication of the solution: How long does the question go through?

ease of use
Don't tell me you've never found the person who says: "but I don't have time to devote to this program!"
therefore a "easy" interface means having an instrument that does not distort the life of the operator but alongside it painlessly in everyday activity
the most concrete example that comes to mind is when you propose warehouse management and the first question that makes you impressed is: "but who uploads my data? "

Cost
- I deliberately left last the cost speech of the product because the world is varied and there is no fixed rule. generally given the moment of economic crisis, we seek solutions that are a compromise between actual cost and quality, personally, offering products to small enterprises try to give the maximum result with the least expense.
but it also happens to find those who say that if a product costs "only" 1000 euros it means that it is not worth a trip....... .

in front of these few rules, in my opinion a product must above all be as autonomous as possible from the related tools, to be only the interface that communicates with satellite products, are beautiful solutions all in one that give you the possibility to interact directly with the cad (we are doing it too) but if tomorrow I decide to change system I would not have to lose the data, no? .

Finally a small clarification on open source: is definitely a good thing and an extra point of trust towards the customer that so has the possibility (if you know how to do) to see the sources and understand the state of the software, more than anything else is a form used to give the customer continuity guarantee on the software, i.e. I make a closed box program, then I suspect the relationship and the customer remains with a black box. or expressly asks the sources to be sure that a tomorrow can still be autonomous in development by finding a programmer.
commercially the same thing, I see it that way.

If you ask me instead, a comparative table of products, I do not do it for obvious reasons. :

if you are interested in the link of the basic demo is: www.klemy.it/downloadplm.aspconsiders that it is a product born from the demands of small companies and created without inventing anything but only responding to requests. open at any request. . .

I allow you to list the main features of the three available versions:

characteristics
unlimited inclusion of documents, images, cad files
production card produced to attach to the physical article
external maintenance of documents
product data filter for material, classification, family user
data recording of processing, tooling and development times
registration data equipment
view file cad
dynamic display of stl file
gcode file display
view images
sound display and movies
control and maintenance of production costs
management kit of articles
product coding with barcode
generation cards produced by external documents
management of articles
customer records with rescue of sold products
Anagraphic registration suppliers with rescue information
activity offered for hourly cost usable in calculation costs
separate base from multi-article kit or single product
control and management of stocks with load/unload
loading, shipping and billing
viewer for publication of all images of articles
multi-user management with exclusive data control
backup data
sending mail
supported databases
access
sqlserver
oracle
Other via odbc


a personal clarification on plm or pdm does not exist a true definition between the two specific abbreviations, more or less they always refer to the same arguments, so speaking of plm or pdm for certain criteria is the same thing.

I hope I've been useful to you, if you have any other questions, ask yourself.
I feel a little dizzy after a one-foot message.... : )

yellow

 

[re_solidworks]

first I want to emphasize that I am not an expert in pdm but simply a user for several years. said this, based on the experience gained on ready2works I would not renounce in order:

1- I would not renounce the creation of parts/axis with step-by-step encoding and automatic storage as coding. Basically when I pee "new code" comes out a screen where I start composing the speaking code for steps. in this phase are very comfortable the functions of drag&drop from the list and others present in ready.
this in addition to being practical to use obliges designers to work with an equal encoding for all, avoiding the most imaginatives assign names to pippo pluto or duck files. I frankly detest pdms that let you do whatever you want, including local savers with problems for colleagues who will open the files on the net. with ready a user you no longer have to worry about saves, positions, folders, etc... everything follows the order of coding.

2- I would not give up the practicality typical of all pdms to be able to get on the flight of lists, see where a component is used (without waits of minutes with explorer)

3- I would not give up the cloning function of the components. this function together with the function of "change references" is very comfortable and very powerful.

4- I would never give up print management as it is in ready. I mold a few times (1-2 per month) but when mold 300-400 drawings in size at a time and having to open and print by hand costs a lot of time.

5- I would never give up the export function in the various automated formats, feasible even with task scheduler, but much better in ready.

6- I would never give up the synchronization functions that allow me, without errors, to collaborate with various companies without problems when putting together my work with that of colleagues. When you did it without pdm it was a trouble every time.

The list would still be long, I insist that you see more than you can.

a consideration:
a generic pdm as it could also be smarteam will never enter specific functions of solidworks. such a tool is indispensable if your work environment is multicad, but if you work with a single cad you should take an ad hoc tool for that.

 

[Ydesigner]

quoto and as soon as I look at how the demo works!

are you also a cad?se designer, what functions are required most often(e.g. printing management, customization of the basics, possibility of pdm work with different cad inputs, etc.)? ?

Thank you.

 

[Ydesigner]

for re_solidworks

excellent synthesis, and clarity in the message!

Now it begins to outline a little thing knows how to do the stumento, a little what all the pdms do, but I think I understand that ready is good!

tools such as smarteam and enovia are to be lost, I aim at more modest solutions, and perhaps more customizable.

9.30 appointment with newmacut!

good day and thanks to availability

 

[KTI]

Yes, I'm also a cad designer, or rather I have asked one of my employees (who happens to be my woman...)) the priority of being a cad 3d modeler and web flash designer.

the things that most often ask my customers are the customizations of the distinct base and of course the interaction with the various cads.

in this period we are seeing to do personalizations towards rhino simply because also our partners (frestors, lathers) have based the structure cad on rhino.

by choice (and almost imposition) of customers we generally leave the maximum freedom in the choice of the repository and the name of the documents, so much so they are registered internally to the db and connected to the product card, so it does not matter if a file is called pippo.doc because it will be included in the db and tied to the product x.
In the end, we address small businesses where the computer structure is difficult and geographically displaced.
But actually have an automatic code of names if nothing else is a matter of system cleaning and we will adore it in the next versions.

 

[re_solidworks]

for re_solidworks

excellent synthesis, and clarity in the message!

Now it begins to outline a little thing knows how to do the stumento, a little what all the pdms do, but I think I understand that ready is good!

tools such as smarteam and enovia are to be lost, I aim at more modest solutions, and perhaps more customizable.

9.30 appointment with newmacut!

good day and thanks to availability

touch with hand what a pdm does and expect to see with your eyes. Don't stop at a demo. if you want a council call nm for dbcent, but I would feel mechworks for dbworks, readysolutions for ready and kti to evaluate also its product.
Sometimes the commercials "push you in the eyes" to convise you, seeing more people helps to have a wider and free view "from the fumes".

Now I sit by the ditch and wait to hear your impressions. hi and good evaluation.

 

[KTI]

touch with hand what a pdm does and expect to see with your eyes. Don't stop at a demo. if you want a council call nm for dbcent, but I would feel mechworks for dbworks, readysolutions for ready and kti to evaluate also its product.
Sometimes the commercials "push you in the eyes" to convise you, seeing more people helps to have a wider and free view "from the fumes".

never advice was best expressed, , I allow myself to add: never trust what a commercial says, just decide what you need and especially what you want for the future, assess the possibilities of implementing new functions, do not stop you at the first impression and do not underestimate customized solutions out of standard but to your extent.