eurofighter vs f35

[Er Presidente]

Now I don't know what "technology" is behind this example of "loser", but I know that for decades after all (no one excluded) he took lessons from these "forms".
Maybe the English were so busy not to waste design hours using the beautiful tail of the tornado, but some signs of which is a way to assess the modernity of a cell we can try to find it by comparing an old prototype that flew more than thirty years ago with a bright example of modern technology.
Where do we start?
from the tail no, it would be like to shoot on the crossroads, from the fuselage, that on the modern plane is wide, carrying, integrated with the wing and functional to the air vents, right.
the wing, simple and high collection, as it is convenient to go under without the "cric" to install missiles and other panoplies.
a modern aerodynamic "useful" and really innovative, here is where "high" in the eyes the really modern plane, the lernx, the double tail with the drifts immersed in the vortices generated by the fuselage.
It's easy for a child to guess where the trick was applied.

 

[Er Presidente]

Please return to the beginning of this thread and look again at the two figures at the first post.
Perhaps you will see with different eyes and I am convinced that you will be able to guess the scandal.

 

[Er Presidente]

It's always risky to tease er president. . .

I would say dangerous, for me, now they send me home the stasis.
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[sampom]

..with honor and pride I peak to quote Er president. .
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greetings
Marco:smile:

 

[Er Presidente]

honored.

p.s.:Look at the exposure a little over the lines, but it is instrumental to keep the attention high!
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[radio]

so much of hat, so much to change, to the ill.ssimo president; to me "the aesthetics" of the eurofigher has never liked, now after its treatment I can "see" better what does not go to genius.

 

[Er Presidente]

But now don't go and say it around!
That family!

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[radio]

But now don't go and say it around!
That family!

And first you had to think about it...

rather a curiosity:
when describing the various f-15s, mig 29s, on 27-35 we talk about the detached engines to reduce the possibility that a single enemy strike damages them both (in addition to secondary aerodynamic advantages?), and in fact the eurofighetto has them close....

for the truth also on the f-22 are not much spaced, but there the problem does not exist, the invisible boy is and nobody beats it. :biggrin:

 

[Er Presidente]

And first you had to think about it...

rather a curiosity:
when describing the various f-15s, mig 29s, on 27-35 we talk about the detached engines to reduce the possibility that a single enemy strike damages them both (in addition to secondary aerodynamic advantages?), and in fact the eurofighetto has them neighbors....

for the truth also on the f-22 are not much spaced, but there the problem does not exist, the invisible boy is and nobody beats it. :biggrin:

Originally the engines were real "suppliers" and with the ab inserted an f-4 had to think more about its derethane than the mig.
drive away the engines created a series of chain advantages, including a better "climate", more safety and not least aerodynamic advantages (carrying fuselage) then enhanced by the "coda di castoro" (that "propagation" of the zone between the engines beyond the terminal part of the plane).
the disadvantages are linked to the strong asymmetries of thrust with an out-of-use motor and a certain incompatibility with invisibility.

p.s.: however the F-22 has a very "dissimulated" fuselage and the engines are not so close, close.
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[Oldwarper]

As always, the president stands in reference to aerial dyspite.. .
and knock down another plane without firing a single blow... !

as a complete ignorant in the matter, as soon as I saw the efa, I came to mind the first model of air given to me as a child, a blue "mirage", without stickers, to be mounted. . .
It says a lot about the impression of "modernity" that inspires me.

If you look at the two photos of the f35 (poor brother of the f22) and the efa, the comparison is really pitiful... and if it is added that the f35 also has a stovl version, while the efa knows that it will never leave from one of our aircraft carriers (correct me if I'm wrong), you understand why our aircraft/mother has already ordered a good number.

And why not add the "load" to shame... they offered us the gripen, much less expensive and really multi-role, but we didn't... forward to throwing spades of euro to the wind in a plane born dead in the name of the "European technological independence"...

e io paaaago...(cit.):angry:

 

[RS4]

If you explain why you don't agree, we learn something new. Come on!

Hello everyone, excuse the delay.......... .

the efa 2000 aircraft composed almost completely of carbon fiber, even the wing longheroni called spar are carbon unlike the f35 that has the metal spar with all the substructure therefore it was able to exploit the elasticity of the fiber in favor of the weight and its flexibility.
innovative aerodynamic designthe aerodynamic formula of the eurofighter is a “delta-canard” configuration. the wing surface of more than 50 square meters provides a large bearing, the “anatra fins” (canard) mounted before ensure a high agility. by virtue of the centre of gravity located in the back of the plane, the eurofighter is essentially an aerodynamic instability. by means of control surfaces – especially these canards – the flight control system of the eurofighter keeps the aircraft artificially stable automatically. this concept offers performance capabilities of the aircraft much higher than traditional design.
push pushthe thrust that develop the two efficient ej200 engines is much higher than the weight of the aircraft (positive thrust/weight ratio). therefore the aircraft reaches a hugely high ascent speed. the take-off takes place, normally, without post-combustors even on the short stretches necessary (neckage run below 700 m). In this way, during take-off the eurofighter emits much less noise and pollutants than most comparable combat jets. it, therefore, is particularly suited to the environmental needs, partly remarkable, of the Swiss military airports.

the eurofighter is part of those few aircraft – even the last generation – that have supercruises: it is able to reach the ultrasonic field without post-combustor and fly at supersonic speed longer. This means fuel savings and therefore the possibility to stay in the air longer.
carefree handlingthe eurofighter is designed to facilitate as much as possible the extremely complex work of a jet pilot. the constantly necessary adjustments in an unstable aircraft are performed, just like the pilot's commands, by the digital control system of the fly-by-wire flight to quadruple redundancy. it ensures excellent control of the entire flight autonomy and allows, moreover, to automatically respect the maintenance of all the limit values aerodynamic and structural ("carefree handling").

the pilot is disgraved of a task: no longer has to worry about the compliance of the flight limit values and is however able to recall, at any time, the maximum optimal performance of the aircraft. that he may concentrate on his own mission.
multisensory and data fusionthe cockpit is designed to allow the rider to concentrate almost exclusively on the mission to carry out – an absolute necessity for a modern fighter aircraft in complex usage scenarios. Unlike traditional cockpits, the pilot should not devote most of the attention to constantly reading the state of all systems on the individual instruments; control happens automatically, and only in case of problems it emits a display on display and an acoustic warning. Furthermore, details can be displayed at any time via touchscreen.
always on board: defensive aids sub-system (dass)the systems of self-protection for the eurofighter are fully integrated in the basic design of the aircraft - unlike other aircraft also of the last generation that, instead, must be combined with additional self-protection systems occupying, in this way, external loading stations.

Therefore, the eurofighter, regardless of the multiple configurations of its armament, always preserves its self-defense ability. it has flare launchers (fari), antiradar bait launchers (chaff) as well as towed baits. Countermeasures are automatically triggered and controlled by the central computer of the dass system. This computer constantly analyzes all dangers from the air or from the ground in a picture of the 360° situation by calculating it on the basis of information provided by the various integrated warning sensors.

Hi.

rs4:biggrin::biggrin:

 

[tecnico_plast]

Perhaps, if we had chosen the gripen, we would not have had the same industrial return.

 

[Oldwarper]

Perhaps, if we had chosen the gripen, we would not have had the same industrial return.

Maybe we'd have more chance of investment and manufacturing in the f35, where we're partners of two levels. but this at the pure level of hypotheses. and with the "left of the then".

 

[Er Presidente]

the efa 2000 aircraft composed almost completely of carbon fiber, even the wing longheroni called spar are carbon unlike the f35 that has the metal spar with all the substructure therefore it was able to exploit the elasticity of the fiber in favor of the weight and its flexibility.

the f-35 will also have to land on the decks of the marina, perhaps after the "tribolations" of the fantastic carbon fiber of the Av-8 of the marines, have demanded a material that "pastes but does not break", in the marina are conservative, you know, still would like the battleships.

the aerodynamic formula of the eurofighter is a “delta-canard” configuration.

viggen 1970

the wing surface of over 50 square meters provides a large portanza,

mirage, 1950, there are advantages, but also many disadvantages, otherwise you wouldn't understand why in a few have followed this path.
a high wing load is often sought, not avoided.

the “anatra fins” (canard) mounted before ensure a high agility. by virtue of the baricentre located in the back half of the plane,

f-16, 1972, the first "unsteady"

the eurofighter is essentially an aerodynamic instability. by means of control surfaces – especially these canards – the flight control system of the eurofighter keeps the aircraft artificially stable automatically. this concept offers performance capabilities of the aircraft much higher than traditional design.

the last plane without the fly-by-wire is visible any museum, the first (crusader) is "targato" 1967.

the thrust that develop the two efficient ej200 engines is much higher than the weight of the aircraft (positive thrust/weight ratio). therefore the aircraft reaches a hugely high ascent speed.

excess of thrust, f-15, 1973.
the best uphill, the f104, did not reach 1, for a little.

the take-off takes place, normally, without post-combustors even on the short stretches necessary (neckage run below 700 m). In this way, during take-off the eurofighter emits much less noise and pollutants than most comparable combat jets. it, therefore, is particularly suited to the environmental needs, partly remarkable, of the Swiss military airports.

Find me one who doesn't, the last one to take off in full ab was the phantom, almost prehistory.

the eurofighter is part of those few aircraft – even the last generation – that have supercruises
it is able to reach the ultrasonic field without post-combustor and fly at supersonic speed longer. This means fuel savings and therefore the possibility to stay in the air longer.

all modern hunting, have the excess thrust, and is therefore normal the supercruciera (f-15, 1973).

the eurofighter is designed to facilitate as much as possible the extremely complex work of a jet pilot. the constantly necessary adjustments in an unstable aircraft are performed, just like the pilot's commands, by the digital control system of the fly-by-wire flight to quadruple redundancy. it ensures excellent control of the entire flight autonomy and allows, moreover, to automatically respect the maintenance of all the limit values aerodynamic and structural ("carefree handling").

It's like saying a car is modern because it has a servosterzo, you'd first say who doesn't have it.
I can assure you that for the F-16 it took 5 years (from 1973 to 1978) to have a stable release of the sw, the efa after 20 years is still to an advanced beta.

the pilot is disgraved of a task: no longer has to worry about the compliance of the flight limit values and is however able to recall, at any time, the maximum optimal performance of the aircraft. that he may concentrate on his own mission.

fuffa

the cockpit is designed to allow the rider to concentrate almost exclusively on the mission to carry out – an absolute necessity for a modern fighter aircraft in complex usage scenarios. Unlike traditional cockpits, the pilot should not devote most of the attention to constantly reading the state of all systems on the individual instruments; control happens automatically, and only in case of problems it emits a display on display and an acoustic warning. Furthermore, details can be displayed at any time via touchscreen.

Have you ever heard of the flanker and the gripen?
the black cokpit invented it the Swedish of the saab.

the systems of self-protection for the eurofighter are fully integrated in the basic design of the aircraft - unlike other aircraft also of the last generation that, instead, must be combined with additional self-protection systems occupying, in this way, external loading stations.

like the f-22 that for invisible needs do not find him a manco antenna with the lantern.
I understand the reference was the f-104 asam, but there's a whole world outside the door.

Therefore, the eurofighter, regardless of the multiple configurations of its armament, always preserves its self-defense ability. it has flare launchers (fari), antiradar bait launchers (chaff) as well as towed baits. Countermeasures are automatically triggered and controlled by the central computer of the dass system. This computer constantly analyzes all dangers from the air or from the ground in a picture of the 360° situation by calculating it on the basis of information provided by the various integrated warning sensors.

We talk about 1973, but you'll see that you'll have surprises.
the quadrichannel has the jumbo and the concord (all strictly analog).

It's all beautiful, but it must be compared to the F-22 not with a real bomber like the f-35, otherwise there's the "truck".
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[marcof]

innovative aerodynamic designby virtue of the centre of gravity located in the back of the plane, the eurofighter is essentially an aerodynamic instability. by means of control surfaces – especially these canards – the flight control system of the eurofighter keeps the aircraft artificially stable automatically. this concept offers performance capabilities of the aircraft much higher than traditional design.

I am wrong or the computer controlled aerodynamic instability to increase maneuverability was already present in F16?
In case this would not be a great novelty, it seems to me that all modern and less modern aircraft exploit this feature together with fly-by-wire.

But it would be interesting that you would say yours about the considerations of er president regarding the philosophy of the project as a whole weapon system. to hear him was born old. What do you say?

 

[marcof]

f-16, 1972, the first "unsteady"


the last plane without the fly-by-wire is visible any museum, the first (crusader) is "targato" 1967.

giurin swears that your post arrived while I was writing mine and I did not copy: I'm sorry.

 

[Er Presidente]

giurin swears that your post arrived while I was writing mine and I did not copy: I'm sorry.

You read a fascinating story!
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[Exatem]

... in the marina are conservative you know, they still want the battleships... .

:smile:

to the face of the replica.. .
chapeau!
p.s. I want a u... I'll give you the armor.. .
wait for the next post up and down...:wink:

 

[marcof]

giurin swears that your post arrived while I was writing mine and I did not copy: I'm sorry.

You read a fascinating story!
:biggrin:

You can swear I read it! :smile:, but I have the net memory of some magazine dedicated to the f16, with some photos of the cockpit where you could see that fantastic cloche on the right of a tilted seat at the back of 30 degrees and the explanation of fly by wire and intrinsic instability. That plane remained in my heart and remains, I have, the most beautiful ever. seen then live, as I had the occasion at least 4 times in different aerial manifestations "ante ramstein" :frown:, where the plane passed you almost supersonic to thirty meters away then pulling cabrates or impressive turns, well seen so the f16 for me remained unsurpassed.

 

[Er Presidente]

p.s. io vorrei un u...

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p.s.: I tried on guggle, but it doesn't tell me anything!
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