dear old nx or switch to inventor?

[MBT]

everyone would like ferrari or lamborghini at home
but many times it is not possible
and so many times it is not even said that it serves!
in the end, if I have to record the track then having a performing medium at all costs is indispensable
but if my need is to do the shopping, bring children to school etc, then a utilitarian goes well... or even a sedan. the supersport becomes useless, or even uncomfortable
I realize plants of a certain thickness, and I assure that behind there is technology and solutions sometimes "extreme", but the machines are realizeable with a cad of medium band.
a high-end could help me manage files, edits, or otherwise in "outside" operations. but from the geometric point of view... I don't feel the need

 

[The_Matrix]

everyone would like ferrari or lamborghini at home
but many times it is not possible
and so many times it is not even said that it serves!
in the end, if I have to record the track then having a performing medium at all costs is indispensable
but if my need is to do the shopping, bring children to school etc, then a utilitarian goes well... or even a sedan. the supersport becomes useless, or even uncomfortable
I realize plants of a certain thickness, and I assure that behind there is technology and solutions sometimes "extreme", but the machines are realizeable with a cad of medium band.
a high-end could help me manage files, edits, or otherwise in "outside" operations. but from the geometric point of view... I don't feel the need

usual comparison but never wrong.
However the need (so the type of cad) must be marked immediately.
a choice between inventor and nx makes no sense regardless.

 

[MBT]

usual comparison but never wrong.

Yes, it is usually, but it does not seem wrong
the tool is always used according to the processing
otherwise would not make sense different types of machines, we would all use the "non plus ultra", but it does not seem to me that this happens

However the need (so the type of cad) must be marked immediately.

That's true. Unfortunately, understanding what the real need is not always simple.
and not always wrong by fault. sometimes you take something more "powerful" than necessary only because on some occasion it can serve. . .

a choice between inventor and nx makes no sense regardless.

bha, this seems a little clamorous.. .
How to say that it makes no sense to compare the column drill with a 5-axis working center.... (Do you not want the automotive comparison? Here you are the mechanical one....
explain to me, however, why it makes no sense to compare inventor to nx

 

[laurax]

my request for help was precisely due to the fact that having used only nx I wanted to understand what actual advantages it gave compared to a 3d mid-range.
to resume the automotive comparison (I like more than the column drill): I've always used lamborghini and I'd like to see if a golf is enough for my needs.
because my referents for such a question so far were only retailers, who logically to sell me their product insulted all those of the competition, I thought to ask who really knows both cad.
Moreover, having just entered a new sector, in order to understand what will be the needs on complete machines I have to rely on what someone tells me that does not have the pallidest idea what a 3d is, at the moment we are doing simple jobs.
However I seem to have understood what the inventor's limits are compared to nx, thank you

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

my request for help was precisely due to the fact that having used only nx I wanted to understand what actual advantages it gave compared to a 3d mid-range.
to resume the automotive comparison (I like more than the column drill): I've always used lamborghini and I'd like to see if a golf is enough for my needs.
because my referents for such a question so far were only retailers, who logically to sell me their product insulted all those of the competition, I thought to ask who really knows both cad.
Moreover, having just entered a new sector, in order to understand what will be the needs on complete machines I have to rely on what someone tells me that does not have the pallidest idea what a 3d is, at the moment we are doing simple jobs.
However I seem to have understood what the inventor's limits are compared to nx, thank you

not always is so laura, I am a proe dealer yet I recommended nx for the reasons I have listed you.
common places, always depends on who you are dealing with.:wink:
However in my opinion in this kind of things you don't have to be in a hurry, especially because you have to justify a purchase to those of cad and other doesn't understand anything but look at the vil money, you just have to make a return plan and you will see that maybe when your boss will see it will begin to understand. . .

greetings

 

[The_Matrix]

How to say that it makes no sense to compare the column drill with a 5-axis working center.... (Do you not want the automotive comparison? Here you are the mechanical one....
explain to me, however, why it makes no sense to compare inventor to nx

You gave yourself the answer.
a column drill cannot be compared with a 5-axis working center.
If you're wondering if a drill or a work center is better for you, maybe you don't know what you need

 

[The_Matrix]

not always is so laura, I am a proe dealer yet I recommended nx for the reasons I have listed you.
common places, always depends on who you are dealing with.:wink:
However in my opinion in this kind of things you don't have to be in a hurry, especially because you have to justify a purchase to those of cad and other doesn't understand anything but look at the vil money, you just have to make a return plan and you will see that maybe when your boss will see it will begin to understand. . .

greetings

Have I ever been partial?
I even recommended inventor.. .

 

[The_Matrix]

because my referents for such a question have so far been only retailers, who logically to sell me their product have insulted all those of the competition,

Good.
begins to eliminate those who have spoken you wrong about competition.
an account is to do objection and to use handling even heavy arguments if they are logical.
Another is to spread so much to spread.
good choice

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

Have I ever been partial?
I even recommended inventor.. .

In fact, for what I said "commonplaces" I was referring to what was previously written by laura.

Good.
begins to eliminate those who have spoken you wrong about competition.
an account is to do objection and to use handling even heavy arguments if they are logical.
Another is to spread so much to spread.
good choice

quoto! :wink:

 

[MBT]

You gave yourself the answer.
a column drill cannot be compared with a 5-axis working center.
If you're wondering if a drill or a work center is better for you, maybe you don't know what you need

beppe. .
are two different machines that give different results, but in some aspects similar
If you were the owner of a company that makes holes in the pieces, what do you take?
in 90% of cases do holes of poor precision, but in 10% of cases you can have needs of accuracy in positioning and performing the hole
spend 1'000€ for a column drill or 100'000€ for a cnc center?
worth spending on something that Get out! that will be seldom exploited?

Do you want another example?
How many people do you see walking around with the monovolume or the suv 4x4?
How much does a car like that cost compared to a sedan? and not only as purchase cost, but also as consumption, maintenance etc....?? ?
and how many times that vehicle is really exploited to 100%, as load capacity or traction effectiveness?

(yes... I like automobile comparisons. :tongue:but it is because the car has it all, and incredibly the vast majority has a car that never exploits for its real abilities!)

Good.
begins to eliminate those who have spoken you wrong about competition.
an account is to do objection and to use handling even heavy arguments if they are logical.
Another is to spread so much to spread.
good choice

This is a great criterion of choice!

 

[The_Matrix]

beppe. .
are two different machines that give different results, but in some aspects similar
If you were the owner of a company that makes holes in the pieces, what do you take?
in 90% of cases do holes of poor precision, but in 10% of cases you can have needs of accuracy in positioning and performing the hole
spend 1'000€ for a column drill or 100'000€ for a cnc center?
worth spending on something that Get out! that will be seldom exploited?

Do you want another example?
How many people do you see walking around with the monovolume or the suv 4x4?
How much does a car like that cost compared to a sedan? and not only as purchase cost, but also as consumption, maintenance etc....?? ?
and how many times that vehicle is really exploited to 100%, as load capacity or traction effectiveness?

(yes... I like automobile comparisons. :tongue:but it is because the car has it all, and incredibly the vast majority has a car that never exploits for its real abilities!)



This is a great criterion of choice!

Your reasoning is not standing.
if you are a company owner is not that you wake up in the morning and say "Maybe I buy a 5-axis working center" (invece "Maybe I buy a 911."Yes".
you will have done your good accounts of how much work you can take from your customers with a cnc and if you repay in the times you expect.
When you make an investment first, don't you?
I've never seen anyone who says "I have to make holes so what machine I choose." .
How many do you have to do?
How long?
with what quality?
Do you have people to do them?

on the automotive example. . .
(with me on cars bad helmets... )
If everyone thinks like you, we'd see so many beautiful 3v... But not.
look a bit the suvs are a best seller (cascai, tiguan, kuga, q5, etc) and the non-racchie monovolumes sell a casino (s-max for example).
and especially cars are good that you buy a lot following an emotional instinct, so with the cad the parallel does not hold.
Leaving the ferrari, porsche, lamborghini. . .
why choose an a4 and not a c5? costs 25% more... has less space... consumes the same... equals... Maybe because he has the 4 rings?

 

[Matteo]

... and why not one between swx and solidedge (mid range, but very versatile and with excellent potential? ).

would also be interesting to know what you need "extra" cad: fem? rendering? pdm?

 

[cacciatorino]

... and why not one between swx and solidedge

It seems that inv comes away at a good price :wink:

 

[sampom]

It seems that inv comes away at a good price :wink:

put them in competition, you will see that the others (parlo for swx) come away at a good (very) price.

greetings
Marco:smile:

 

[The_Matrix]

put them in competition, you will see that the others (parlo for swx) come away at a good (very) price.

greetings
Marco:smile:

definitely not as an inventor.. .
And then in swx you don't have autocad that really likes the boss of the chick since he can use it a little bit.
Come on. we have already told of things in this thread and since the discriminant is the price, I think there is nothing better than the

 

[Matteo]

definitely not as an inventor.. .And then in swx you don't have autocad that really likes the boss of the chick since he can use it a little bit.Come on. we have already told of things in this thread and since the discriminant is the price, I think there is nothing better than the

I don't know if autocad is an added value... if a company passes to the 3d must change approach "radically", otherwise it ends like some of my customers who buy a cad 3d (swx, if, sc, proe ...) and then do not use it because in ut they are used to autocad (I wake up then mad when I ask him a 3d for fem...)

in swx (solidworks) then there is dwg editor that allows to continue to use and edit the various autocad files (I don't want to miss it, but I think it belongs to the strand of cad 2d that are based on intellicad libraries).

in if instead there is a module 2d (free want) very very good.. .

looks like I want to sell swx or if :frown: ... but it is the user's experience of both to make me "satisfied".

All right, let's do this: keep autocad and add a spaceclaim licence for 3d models for 1200€

ps: what is the quotation of inventor at equal "version" with swx or if?

 

[The_Matrix]

I don't know if autocad is an added value... if a company passes to the 3d must change approach "radically", otherwise it ends like some of my customers who buy a cad 3d (swx, if, sc, proe ...) and then do not use it because in ut they are used to autocad (I wake up then mad when I ask him a 3d for fem...)

in swx (solidworks) then there is dwg editor that allows to continue to use and edit the various autocad files (I don't want to miss it, but I think it belongs to the strand of cad 2d that are based on intellicad libraries).

in if instead there is a module 2d (free want) very very good.. .

looks like I want to sell swx or if :frown: ... but it is the user's experience of both to make me "satisfied".

All right, let's do this: keep autocad and add a spaceclaim licence for 3d models for 1200€

ps: what is the quotation of inventor at equal "version" with swx or if?

Since the choice was between an a4 and a chrome, I'd say there's not much more to say, is there?
then for charity, as in all the forums we can throw the pass, the lagoon, the mondeo, the c5, the insigna, the corolla.. .

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

Since the choice was between an a4 and a chrome, I'd say there's not much more to say, is there?
then for charity, as in all the forums we can throw the pass, the lagoon, the mondeo, the c5, the insigna, the corolla.. .

Yes, there is to say...
You forgot the rx8!

 

[The_Matrix]

Yes, there is to say...
You forgot the rx8!

Well, the rx8 isn't exactly a competitor in that segment. . .
You know, I'm a snitch on cars.

 

[laurax]

I didn't want to provoke a wasp of this kind.
in the specific case is not only a question of price, but of quality-price.
I understand that nx is one of the best in the market, my doubt was to understand what the inventor's abilities had never been used or known. I will now receive an avalanche of insults, but it seems to have understood that inventor is still a good medium-range product like 3d, with complete bookcases, has already included something to manage the documentation, is easy enough to use, and has a reduced cost. nx is a great product but rather ostic for non-employees, it better manages complex surfaces and large assemblies (but in my case these problems will rarely occur if never) and interface better with other support programs (fem, pdm, etc.), but for a small company like ours that has just opened do not serve, or will serve in years. being at the moment the only one who unmasks design, drawings and equipment, sorry if it doesn't seem to me a little help the fact that with inv maybe even my boss will make himself alone his strusi letting me make peace my work. I also understand that there are other media programs comparable to inv, but as often you say in the forums, I realized that between one and another the differences are minimal, or better they all have merits and defects. Unfortunately not all the business realities are equal among them, my boss is not the milnese cummenda with the pigeon, it is an old-fashioned technician with the skoda that looks after the substance and not to the appearance, practical and 'resparmioso'.