design a 4 t motor which falls to choose?

[marcof]

and according to you...:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

Look at the audience laughing at us, you're the one in the middle of the track under the tent:wink:

 

[User1]

came along.
sluti a batman.

notte!:wink:

 

[marcof]

even because with what you write and that you wrote in the past it would be rather difficult to make you recognize as such.
But as a cumshot you are strong! :biggrin:

and according to you...:biggrin::biggrin:

Look at the audience laughing at us, you're the one in the middle of the track under the tent:wink:

 

[User1]

Look at the audience laughing at us, you're the one in the middle of the track under the tent:wink:

I sincerely laugh for what some of you say!:biggrin:

 

[User1]

Look at the audience laughing at us, you're the one in the middle of the track under the tent:wink:

I see that you are very quick to learn!!!!:biggrin: I think the first to be on the dance is you, but not here on the forum! ...... go be let alone!

 

[User1]

night to all!

 

[marcof]

I think the first one to be at stake is you, but here's not on the forum!

You better, superman de noantri, for tonight you covered yourself ridiculous enough.

 

[User1]

You better, superman de noantri, for tonight you covered yourself ridiculous enough.

ciao marcoffio!

 

[MBT]

I'll tell you in friendship before you get a little burbery. .
You're exaggerating!

 

[riccardot5765]

I'm trying to read this thread (also because I'm inlaid the mail) and I also read the links reported. I only add one thing.

Tonyproge, I think you've done a tight-knit surgery. in the sense that you can't go out like post #4 and #5 and more in a community like this. as to say, among people who squeeze the meninges and make a bouquet so trying to find those solutions that meet a thousand needs you discard with a: "There is no need to be a scientist to design something, today the difficult do the software". I think something like that shouldn't come out of my mouth to the designer. Otherwise it means that for what you plan you don't need any particular knowledge. which can also be true.

I mean, you put yourself in a chair, and that shouldn't be done, even if you did it in good faith. from here arise, I believe, the doubts of other users who rightly, feeling points in the live of their activity, wonder and ask you on the basis of what experiences you say certain things. to these questions you do not answer because you cannot, otherwise, and this is an offense, some smart people would take your job.

Now you have come to the point that you give yourself a cumshot. You're laughing at it. I only wonder if having this behavior so provocative and in some ways arrogant is worth it, if then you go inimiting people who actively participate and help other users, me first.

 

[Exatem]

I'll tell you in friendship before you get a little burbery. .
You're exaggerating!

I answer you as much friendship. the discussion went ot and is going along the same road that we already started when we had among the users the cute “small engineer” that already from the nick, “puzzava” of presumption and take for the cuxo) far a nautical mile. when they pull you for the hair, which in consideration of age begin to be white and rare, it is precisely in consideration of the affection that binds us to these stoic survivors that you can not do unless you let go to a strenuous defense.
here however we close it, we smoke the calumet of peace and return to the ranks precisely because of the respect for you and the moderator.

supermegameravigliosamente and quoto what you said.
I am a beginner I have so much desire to learn since at the time I was allergic to the school but for some subjects I was and I am brought very close to this field.
I also use the lathe in a dignified manner and I am also building a cnc cutter with linear guides but not pantograph style but bench.
I am poor of knowledge this I admit but the will to steal the job and learn I do not miss. It may seem simple enthusiasm but that it lasts from 30 how many I believe it is a maniacal passion.

passion is a bad beast but leads to incredible satisfactions. no one wants to demoralize you but, designing a motor, it is extremely complex. you may think of taking an existing engine and applying your own idea. and that is what tells you with the usual clarity er president in the following post.

... now a motor designer today, does not think differently, does calculations, thinks solutions, ways to follow to "mind" and checks his thinking to "mind", where do things change? Let me give you an example.

I can be convinced that a supercharged motor with a mechanical compressor and with 6 v cylinders is better.

forty years ago the answer I had after 20 years, 3 for the prototype, five for the production, 12 of "services" to discover that my engine, my idea worked, but it cost a bang and consumed too much.

today my idea could be "evaluated" in 24 hours with simulation at the counter (virtual) and in the factory (virtual).
so years ago a "genius" could hope to see realized 10, perhaps 15 projects in his life, today 150.

The difference is not in the "quality" of the system, but in speed.
this huge speed allows to "exhaust" huge amounts of "models" (ideations) before reaching the definitive one.

Go faster (10, 100 times faster) is beautiful, but very dangerous, if "toppa" is really bad. The system is extremely complicated and it's hard to handle.

If you've designed a four-time engine, stop.
who today is able to do so (perhaps 100 people on the planet), they need excell, and each of 1000 designers (internal and from suppliers) to "be below" with cad.

If you have this passion, let the cad lose, disassemble the engines of others (just any junk) and try to "recarculate" (by hand, or at most with excell). attention, there is no one on the planet who is capable of designing a motor from a to z, so you will need to specialize (headed with its fluid dynamics, base with fusion, mobile parts with material stress etc.).

Start with one thing, after a few years you can switch to the next, when you have white hair, if you are good, you can say you are able to design a 4-stroke engine.

for now he learns to "look" to copy to reproduce the results of the calculations, understand the enormous humility of a people, the Japanese one who copied us for 20 years and now is in the chair to teach us lesson.

what you may try to understand, is while disponding to the best software, the most powerful of PCs, if there is no one to “detail”, the system will not be able to design anything.
attention, a clarification. all the software for cad, especially the parametric, cost a bang therefore, well evaluate the steps to be made.

 

[maxopus]

and now some kerosene with its opinion of part.
software is a design support, and software does not make the designer, nor does it build a 4-time engine.
Otherwise it would not explain how the man did for almost 100 years to build engines without the help of any cad.

the designer is made of technical-scientific culture, he can choose the best solution from the technical and economic point of view for a specific request.
the cad from a large hand (because it has a higher computing power and why it manages to virtualize the project) but, we have said it thousands of times, it is not fortunately substitute of man.
the cad does not choose between possible production solutions, does not choose between infinite types of materials the one most suitable for the specific application.

said this, and on this unleashed hell, it is recognized that the best cad for the powertrain sector has been and remains pro/e.

 

[MBT]

I answer you as much friendship. the discussion went ot and is going along the same road that we already started when we had among the users the cute “small engineer” that already from the nick, “puzzava” of presumption and take for the cuxo) far a nautical mile. when they pull you for the hair, which in consideration of age begin to be white and rare, it is precisely in consideration of the affection that binds us to these stoic survivors that you can not do unless you let go to a strenuous defense.
here however we close it, we smoke the calumet of peace and return to the ranks precisely because of the respect for you and the moderator.

ex
I'm not the mod of this area, so it's not a favor you do to me... :finger:
of "hot summer", to stay in the motor field, there are bizzeffe around the internet, and the cocks are wasted.
this we all know, especially who like me or how you dedicates part of its resources to moderate and manage forums.
I also know that when you come across saborons, milliards, presumptuosis or cocks begin to prude the keyboard keys... .
the desire to ditch them, demolish them, demonstrate their universal uselessness becomes irresistible!
but it is precisely where we must show our virtue and superiority.
who propinates his genius to pipes (of the toilet or carbon...), of papier-mâché, of sharp knives declares itself. there is no need for someone to give him an "virtual" scappellotto in the hood, who "sa" sees and knows how to recognize the skills from the incapable.
all the rest is (over) troll feeding.

 

[MBT]

and now some kerosene with its opinion of part.
software is a design support, and software does not make the designer, nor does it build a 4-time engine.
Otherwise it would not explain how the man did for almost 100 years to build engines without the help of any cad.

said this, the designer is made of technical-scientific culture.
can choose the best solution from the technical and economic point of view for a specific request.
the cad from a large hand (of course it has a higher computing power and because it manages to virtualize the project) but, we have said it thousands of times, it is not fortunately substitute of man.
the cad does not choose between possible production solutions, does not choose between infinite types of materials the one most suitable for the specific application.

Look, I agree with you that I'm sending this...http://www.cad3d.it/forum1/showpost.php?p=31430&postcount=4that, not to crosspost, he says:design first means being able to clearly display the structure and operation of the machine in your mind.
calculation, computer, comes later. When you launch your computer you must already know, qualitatively but correctly, what the calculation will say, as before calculating it, you understood it: "imagination is more important than knowledge".
and the project, with all its thousand calculations, assumptions, cunnings, rethinkings, exaltations and glares, requires an infinite dedication (the exact term, even if today can make smile, is love): genius, creativity (it is known at least from freud times, but they knew very well shakespeare, dante, tommasocrate, socrate, omero, sinleqiunnini) is the daughter of eros, not the logos.
Christ knew it, when he said that a faith as big as a mustard can move the mountains.
Of course, after that, reason takes us: The designer is an informed lover.
but emotion is more powerful than the beautiful but cold reason. emotion, passion, curiosity give the wings of intuition, "intus ire", to intelligence, allowing it precisely to "intus legere" in the heart of things with bright penetration: "amor est magis cognitivus quam cognitio".
Ultimately the genius, the creative, the innovative, is not at all a smarter person than the others (at times, as says a splendid page of jacose, can give the impression of uncertain psychological balance) but more in love.
he, often without looking for it and without wanting it, is a "changing form" of human evolution and brings all the fruitful torment to himself.

said this, and on this unleashed hell, it is recognized that the best cad for the powertrain sector has been and remains pro/e.

You're always the usual morning. . .
How do you design a motor without black edges?

 

[Fulvio Romano]

ex
I'm not the mod of this area, so it's not a favor you do to me... :finger:

Actually the thread is so ot that you must be the moderator.

...but how we fell down...:frown:

 

[Exatem]

...design first means being able to clearly display the structure and operation of the machine in your mind.
calculation, computer, comes later. When you launch your computer you must already know, qualitatively but correctly, what the calculation will say, as before calculating it, you understood it: "imagination is more important than knowledge".
and the project, with all its thousand calculations, assumptions, cunnings, rethinkings, exaltations and glares, requires an infinite dedication (the exact term, even if today can make smile, is love): genius, creativity (it is known at least from freud times, but they knew very well shakespeare, dante, tommasocrate, socrate, omero, sinleqiunnini) is the daughter of eros, not the logos.
Christ knew it, when he said that a faith as big as a mustard can move the mountains.
Of course, after that, reason takes us: The designer is an informed lover.
but emotion is more powerful than the beautiful but cold reason. emotion, passion, curiosity give the wings of intuition, "intus ire", to intelligence, allowing it precisely to "intus legere" in the heart of things with bright penetration: "amor est magis cognitivus quam cognitio".
Ultimately the genius, the creative, the innovative, is not at all a smarter person than the others (at times, as says a splendid page of jacose, can give the impression of uncertain psychological balance) but more in love.
he, often without looking for it and without wanting it, is a "changing form" of human evolution and brings all the fruitful torment to himself.

That's funny.

You're always the usual morning. . .
How do you design a motor without black edges?

That's where you're wasting time.
to retrace everything with the marker.

 

[maxopus]

You're always the usual morning. . .
How do you design a motor without black edges?

That's what I'm asking myself when I throw out a piece with 1200 features and I don't understand how I did :smile:

That's where you're wasting time.
to retrace everything with the marker.

quoto, the black edge repasser in pro/e is a very popular figure :biggrin:

 

[Er Presidente]

but why do you interpret? in ferrari is used catia, but to design a motor it is good also inventor!

do not design with cads, use cads to design.
It would be like saying that the engines are designed with the line and the team.
cad is a tool, like a team, a powerful and expensive tool, but always a tool.
is the designer who usa a cad to design, but it does not need, it is not indispensable, it is useful.
so first you have to know how to design a motor and then you can decide with which to model it to verify your project.

If you do not solve this serious error of setting, all the rest "is bored".

Hi.

 

[Tequila]

I don't think there's a higher aspiration for a designer to have in front of him a white sheet on which to give vent to his imagination. .

I fully agree.... in fact on my Idium profile in addition to the software I indicated that I use "card and pencil" :finger:

do not design with cads, use cads to design.
It would be like saying that the engines are designed with the line and the team.
cad is a tool, like a team, a powerful and expensive tool, but always a tool.
It's the designer who uses a cad to design, but it's not necessary, it's not necessary, it's useful.
so first you have to know how to design a motor and then you can decide with which to model it to verify your project.

If you do not solve this serious error of setting, all the rest "is bored".

and also this I fully agree. . It is useless to take a racing bike if you do not even know how to go with a normal with the side wheels attached.

often when you sketch something on paper you don't need to do it in 3d to do all the views because you have already in the head what you want to outsource and a simple view enough to make you understand or report an idea on paper so that then you don't go into the forgotten with the passing of time

 

[Tequila]

...while now after 5 years the aircraft already has the conditions to fly! o...

Oh, God, you have to see what kind of plane... if we talk about ultralights can pass only a few months (3-4) before seeing it fly. here I speak to you for personal experience since I am a pilot ulm (although for personal reasons now I no longer fly...for the moment) and I have collaborated a lot with a company that builds and sells them.