bim and architectural restoration

[warburg]

is wrong my impression about the fact that the bim type revit, allplan and archicad are more effective when you have to design a new building than when you have to design the restoration of a historical building, with its structural irregularities, formal, its stratifications etc etc.?
i.e., in essence, who also deals with restoration, or mainly, could benefit from the bim procedure or is this rigidly bound to the traditional iter of the new building from the sketches of project up to the yard?
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[gfrank]

the problem, if it is problem, is traceable not to the type of building, but to the software itself.
In fact, the sw you mentioned, are not "pure" modelers and therefore some "perticolar situations" of the design, must be faced differently from the "standard".
in revit, since the other programs do not know them, the situations listed by you must be faced with the tool "modelling" (directly in drawing).
Please note that the bim tool does not only serve to draw/design, but assists in designer with a number of additional information, such as: (automatic) calculation of areas, volumes, components; list and quantity of materials and components, etc..., which in a pure modeling you are not available (or at least partly).
these peculiarities "create" in the software a certain "rigidity" which, however, has been compensated with the functionality of the "in-palce model"

 

[warburg]

Thank you. So modeling, for example, a building with vaults, capitals, boxes and other elements of traditional architecture, can I then exploit the typical characteristic of the bim and that is to have the "information model" of the building that I am dealing with? this in all the different phases of the process, from the relief to the project to the yard?
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C

 

[gfrank]

Certainly, bearing in mind that many elements, for example capitals, decorative elements of the facade, scallops (large scales - are now traced to elements (objects) of family and manageable with relative perimeters.
Moreover, even in the elements created in the design, they are associated with parameters (description-number-type of the unit-cost material-ecc..) that can be reepiogated in the abachi.
the phases of the process, managed by revit:
1) the relief, no, as there is currently no link interface from the relief to the sw. possibly the import of dwg/dxf files is desponible (there are appropriate software that transform the relief (scratch lines on "table" in dwg/dxf files), but as you know the management of dwg/dxf files in revit is not bim
2) the project, including its variants.
in this phase are manageable with revit structure and revit mep the structural part and the plant part
with external applications, it is also manageable the energy part, and the export of files produced by revit to sw dedicated for the calculation "ex l. 10/91"
the rendering of the project, the rendering placed in the city, with google maps
the production of detail drawings for the yard
3) analytical computation of the project (quantity and costs)
4) the variants during implementation

see alsohttp://www.cad3d.it/forum1/showthread.php?t=4647

 

[warburg]

Hi.
I reopen the post to ask you and ask if regarding the metric compute you do everything with revit, or are eventually necessary external applications, i.e. other software... In other words, in the end I can "trust" the computation that is done with revit or should I then enter the data of revit perhaps in the ubiquitous acca-programme of computo? )))) also to exchange it with colleagues and clients, I mean.
I imagine that the question for those who use revit may seem a little unreal, is only that I do it as a candidate for purchase, looking for info not to miss the shot
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C

 

[asalalp]

I'll get this old discussion back. ..for I would like to make some considerations on revit and restoration/relief

for example if I amount clouds of points in 3ds max or in autocad and therefore I have all 3d model of the factory (eg a church).
then I carry it in various pieces in revit to create families.

What advantages can I give revit in the field of interventions on historical artefacts? besides the calculation of surfaces and the compute?

 

[Tristan]

What advantages can I give revit in the field of interventions on historical artefacts? besides the calculation of surfaces and the compute?

excuse me if I allow myself but I ask you the question: what advantage can autocad or 3ds give you in recovery or restoration?
I think it's just "half" to get to an end. probably it is faster to return a relief in acad than in revit but the thing is completely subjective, isn't it?

 

[asalalp]

excuse me if I allow myself but I ask you the question: what advantage can autocad or 3ds give you in recovery or restoration?
I think it's just "half" to get to an end. probably it is faster to return a relief in acad than in revit but the thing is completely subjective, isn't it?

You're right. But I thought, for example, to model in detail once in three-dimensional camorcanna it is more convenient to do it directly in revit or in rhino, maya, 3ds and then export to revit?

is subjective though if I have to model many complex objects (capitelli, lesene, fregi) maybe it is better to pass first for a modeling software

 

[Tristan]

You're right. But I thought, for example, to model in detail once in three-dimensional camorcanna it is more convenient to do it directly in revit or in rhino, maya, 3ds and then export to revit?

is subjective though if I have to model many complex objects (capitelli, lesene, fregi) maybe it is better to pass first for a modeling software

the speech is simple; If you need to model and "parameterize" you can't do it out of revit. If you don't need a parametric model you can also do it in 3ds or rhino....if you're able to use them! :biggrin: