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remotely collaborate without multisite license

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with a client company, we're exploring the possibility to collaborate more efficiently than the current situation, which is:

i_solidedge <--> step/dwg/excel <--> their_cocreated

we have seen that cocreate in cases such as these previews the use of the multisite license: from what I understood the database (oracle or ms-sql) is replicated both sides and synchronized on-demand or on oral scheduling. We both work each in their own lan so there are no complaints.

all very nice, if not that this multisite license costs several thousand euros and needs one from me and one from my client (clearly it is a case studied for the big "corporation"). Considered the levels of turnover we are talking about, it is not a viable road.

Is there any other way to cooperate? I was thinking, for example, to connect me in the morning via vpn with the pdm client, upload the assembly, and save it to local pkg. at the end of the day I resume the pkg and pour it on my client's server, again via vpn and pdm client.

Is that a feasible thing? What happens for example if I load the assieme father containing subassieme_1 and subassieme_2, and while I work on subasieme_1 from me a colleague works on subassieme_2 at the end of the customer? when I reload the pkg overwrite all the changes he made in the meantime? Consider that the customer does not use pkg but writes data on database oracle, in granular form (a part = a file). We consider that the assieme father can be a line consisting of tens of modules and ( dozens of) thousands of parts.

This is a question for "er_president", I invite him to a wedding! :biggrin:
 
cacciatorino said:
with a client company, we're exploring the possibility to collaborate more efficiently than the current situation, which is:

i_solidedge <--> step/dwg/excel <--> their_cocreated

we have seen that cocreate in cases such as these previews the use of the multisite license: from what I understood the database (oracle or ms-sql) is replicated both sides and synchronized on-demand or on oral scheduling. We both work each in their own lan so there are no complaints.

all very nice, if not that this multisite license costs several thousand euros and needs one from me and one from my client (clearly it is a case studied for the big "corporation"). Considered the levels of turnover we are talking about, it is not a viable road.

Is there any other way to cooperate? I was thinking, for example, to connect me in the morning via vpn with the pdm client, upload the assembly, and save it to local pkg. at the end of the day I resume the pkg and pour it on my client's server, again via vpn and pdm client.

Is that a feasible thing? What happens for example if I load the assieme father containing subassieme_1 and subassieme_2, and while I work on subasieme_1 from me a colleague works on subassieme_2 at the end of the customer? when I reload the pkg overwrite all the changes he made in the meantime? Consider that the customer does not use pkg but writes data on database oracle, in granular form (a part = a file). We consider that the assieme father can be a line consisting of tens of modules and ( dozens of) thousands of parts.

This is a question for "er_president", I invite him to a wedding! :biggrin:
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hmmm, except if you use pkg "te meno", I have to think well.
but if you do a vpn and load you all morning, and then you work by agreeing on the "reserved" models?
I need to understand before I expose myself.
 
but floating licenses?
Aren't they okay?
I think it's possible to access a license server via vpn.
 
cacciatorino said:
... we have seen that cocreate in cases such as these involves the use of the multisite license: from what I understood the database (oracle or ms-sql) is replicated both sides and synchronized on-demand or on oral scheduling. We both work each in their own lan so there are no complaints.
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So the problem is Oracle's license?
 
Er Presidente said:
hmmm, except if you use pkg "te meno", I have to think well.
but if you do a vpn and load you all morning, and then you work by agreeing on the "reserved" models?
I need to understand before I expose myself.
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The problem is that the machine is about 100 mb of pkg-equivalent (:biggrin: ) for which to charge it takes a couple of hours (my client is in a area served a little badly by adsl).

considering that 50% of the times the loading fails, it would be to lose some hours every day to load the model... .

You say that by saving in 3d-date I could improve the situation?
 
cacciatorino said:
The problem is that the machine is about 100 mb of pkg-equivalent (:biggrin: ) for which to charge it takes a couple of hours (my client is in a area served a little badly by adsl).

considering that 50% of the times the loading fails, it would be to lose some hours every day to load the model... .

You say that by saving in 3d-date I could improve the situation?
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theoretically when you save only the modified models and assemblies. Axioms are only rows of few kappas of pointers and the modified models do not think will be too many.
 
Er Presidente said:
So the problem is Oracle's license?
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no, the problem is that model-manager to work so requires this multisite license (a cocreated product), one for each side. a seller tells me that it costs 6000 euros, another that costs 1500 + almost as much maintenance, you do not understand anything.

These think they're still in time when writing hp on the shirt allowed you to do the good and bad weather. I've already figured it out for a while that to get into the cocreate family, you need the accordion wallet.
 
cacciatorino said:
no, the problem is that model-manager to work so requires this multisite license (a cocreated product), one for each side. a seller tells me that it costs 6000 euros, another that costs 1500 + almost as much maintenance, you do not understand anything.

These think they're still in time when writing hp on the shirt allowed you to do the good and bad weather. I've already figured it out for a while that to get into the cocreate family, you need the accordion wallet.
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Forget the dealers, ask directly in ptc.
 
Er Presidente said:
theoretically when you save only the modified models and assemblies. Axioms are only rows of few kappas of pointers and the modified models do not think will be too many.
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Okay, the rescue problem is solved.

But when do I load? modeling is smart enough to understand that you have to go get the 3d data modified by the oracle server and those unmodified by the local file system? That's what the multisite does.

I believe that without multisite, he always loads all 3d-data on the remote server.
 
cacciatorino said:
Okay, the rescue problem is solved.

But when do I load? modeling is smart enough to understand that you have to go get the 3d data modified by the oracle server and those unmodified by the local file system? That's what the multisite does.

I believe that without multisite, he always loads all 3d-data on the remote server.
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I also think that only mm (model manager) can solve the problem.
from what so osd does not even accept to load models from different directories (you have to work in one pentolone) and only mm allows to load from a structure.
I don't know the multisite license, but if it allows you to work with osd remotely it can't cost less, unless you can remotely "ceive" one of the internal licenses.
Maybe that's why you see prices so different.
 
Er Presidente said:
I also think that only mm (model manager) can solve the problem.
from what so osd does not even accept to load models from different directories (you have to work in one pentolone) and only mm allows to load from a structure.
I don't know the multisite license, but if it allows you to work with osd remotely it can't cost less, unless you can remotely "ceive" one of the internal licenses.
Maybe that's why you see prices so different.
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No, the osd license is to buy aside. multisite only ensures accessibility and consistency of distributed file systems.

So the choice is whether to work in vpn all day, and then appear to the oracle server as if I were local, or provide multisite and replicate the db at home. Fortunately the osd models are very small.

I'm trying to call ptc in the morning and make my ideas clear.
 
cacciatorino said:
No, the osd license is to buy aside. multisite only ensures accessibility and consistency of distributed file systems.

So the choice is whether to work in vpn all day, and then appear to the oracle server as if I were local, or provide multisite and replicate the db at home. Fortunately the osd models are very small.

I'm trying to call ptc in the morning and make my ideas clear.
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otherwise you must create your own "logical" group, a "container", which is a group but which can contain anything, models, wp etc.
loaded by a cd all the machine, you work with changes only in the "container" and then you have to import the "container" into the customer's machine with the management of "versions".
I'm supposed to go through my version class, but it should work.
 
Er Presidente said:
I don't know the multisite license, but if it allows you to work with osd remotely it can't cost less, unless you can remotely "ceive" one of the internal licenses.
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So, in the cocreated world, it's really hard to get clear and unequivocal what licenses you need and how much they cost! :biggrin:

However at the end the multisite costs 6000 and passes + manut. if you buy it, and about 2500 annual if you rent it, this only to co-design. finding these info cost me time and effort!

It remains now to be understood whether these licenses need one side, one for both partners, one for client (see above... :smile: ).

then above you have to put us osd license, modelmanager license, custom pdm client license, etc. if you can't make you pay 50 euros/h so much it is worth renouncing in departure.
 
cacciatorino said:
How do you talk to ptc?

at the station are two days in a row that tell me: "Yes, leave me his number! I'll call you back to an in charge immediately... and then nobody hears. . .

the green number is occupied, the other number for info is nonexistent (then they took it from the site...).
http://www.ptc.com/company/contacts/phone.htm
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It's strange hunting, I can always talk to them by calling the green number.
You want me to know my dealer?
 

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