protect yourself from suppliers with slightly "clean" files

[The_Matrix]

only for this part should close at least half listings on ebay... or to close completely barracks and puppets to various Chinese

It's the law.
It's not the matrix pippa.
I don't buy anything from the Chinese, and I'm pissed like a beast the few times my wife gets pissed off. . .

 

[Tequila]

The problem is that the supplier can have two licenses in order and three more pirates, so what are you doing?

I remember that we talked about the other thread similar to that that mom siemens would try to provide a program to verify the readiness of the received files.

I would prosper to siemens (the_matrix if you read it to your colleagues in this specific branch) for example a "specific software of preventive control", so if I get 50 files, launch the program type antivirus scanning, read me files and give me the answer if I am ok or not. if you non I'm okay. It tells me what the offenders are. If the program finds infected files automatically sends an email to the mother's home or to the antipiracy section with the company's data where it finds such illicit.
I have nothing to say for a similar procedure, which safeguards my work and my honesty. to my suppliers/collaborators using the same tools will be notified both by me and by the siemens of this new procedure so if they have the cards in order they will give you the clean files, as soon as they tell you that from today on they will provide you only files of step/parasolid interchange and dwg/dxf tables then it means that something cheers! ! !

 

[radio]

but, according to this, and I don't even want to discuss zimenz's anti-piracy policies, the mother's home couldn't make available a tool with which the user who receives files from the outside can control their "correctness"?
the result would be more or less the same: the impossibility of working by providing tarot models by "fraudolenti"; However, in this way the user in order should not be inconvenienced if not that of having to carry out an incoming control.
How about the_matrix, is it a road that can be reached?

 

[The_Matrix]

the solution is a disarming simplicity:

All official license owners, no longer accept models except through the aziemens.
of the series "please do me courtesy, send her files to the mother's house, verifying them and I send them back."

all with certified mailbox, clearly.

p.s.: matrix, siemens is perfectly right about everything, unless on a simple fact, get paid the "cleaning". It would be enough to do it for free (which is not so much for free because they work for you, for your interest) and it would be "a sword".

p.p.s.: starting from the assumption that all customers are "contained" until proven otherwise is, at least, censorable.

:smile:

What's the problem?
If you pay me the service, I'll hire a person and I'll put them to do that job. . .
(of course a Chinese, paid in black :biggrin
ps. Look, stefano, the fee you pay is absolutely low and is paid by those who used the license crakkata. . .
It's happened a lot of times. and no one had anything to say.
other times, on the other hand, the supplier preferred to remake everything with an official license (obviously in accordance with his client who agreed to have the files + late of the established... known costructures of Italian motors:wink

 

[radio]

.... beaten on time by the black pussy. :redface:

 

[The_Matrix]

but, according to this, and I don't even want to discuss zimenz's anti-piracy policies, the mother's home couldn't make available a tool with which the user who receives files from the outside can control their "correctness"?
the result would be more or less the same: the impossibility of working by providing tarot models by "fraudolenti"; However, in this way the user in order should not be inconvenienced if not that of having to carry out an incoming control.
How about the_matrix, is it a road that can be reached?

And you think we didn't ask?
... I don't tell you the meetings I had with big clients, asking for this and threatening us with anything.. .
Unfortunately, no, it is not feasible.... they do not want to reveal any details of the protection system... giving a tool that controls the status of files is to give you the control method and in an amen you crakka.

the only way to protect yourself is to sign a contract to your client in which the use of "pirated" licenses is explicitly prohibited and puts it in front of the consequences... the big client who makes cars did it and the incidence of pirate licenses collapsed.
Then there are the "pirates" that sell you crak.kate licenses " zimenz proof"... but it is the usual war "projectile/corace" (you always see the bullet, you know? )

 

[cacciatorino]

What's the problem?
If you pay me the service, I'll hire a person and I'll put them to do that job. . .
(of course a Chinese, paid in black :biggrin
ps. Look, stefano, the fee you pay is absolutely low and is paid by those who used the license crakkata. . .

50 euros per file for solid edge seems to me.

what siemens does not pay is the penalty in case of delayed delivery of the plant (because maybe when you go to print the drawings of the contract the system crashes and does not leave for two weeks until you reach the agreement), and maybe the cancellation of the manufacturing company from the supplier albo, because of this delay.

 

[Tequila]

It's the law.
It's not the matrix pippa.
I don't buy anything from the Chinese, and I'm pissed like a beast the few times my wife gets pissed off. . .

I know that it is the law, but they should enforce it a priori and not later, but if things were correct from the very beginning then there would not be even more need for this law and therefore sanction those who break it.

Autovelox example: would not serve if instead of veloxes put speed controls (such as f1s when they leave the boxes) installed in the cars where the max speed even if you snap all the pedal of your 600cv jacks remains fixed at 130km/h and not an extra km. But they would no longer enter the coffers of the money states of fines.

 

[enri]

I would say, window pop up informative + contract against pirate licenses + sw scanning files, from the solutions there would be. :

 

[The_Matrix]

50 euros per file for solid edge seems to me.

what siemens does not pay is the penalty in case of delayed delivery of the plant (because maybe when you go to print the drawings of the contract the system crashes and does not leave for two weeks until you reach the agreement), and maybe the cancellation of the manufacturing company from the supplier albo, because of this delay.

I don't know exactly how much they pay. Maybe the cirph is that, but in $...
then here would graft speeches like "50$ to heal a base or a side is little, indeed, nothing... 50$ to heal a sheet bracket is exaggerated"
I know... but our goal would be not to have pirate licenses around the world.
remember that zimenz (plm) invoices something like 1.7b$, the introit generated by the cleaning of the files is really less than a drop in the sea.. .
Please believe me if I tell you that at business level (cleaning) is zero.

I confirm... siemens does not respond to the consequences of using pirate licenses.

 

[Fulvio Romano]

the solution is a disarming simplicity:

All official license owners, no longer accept models except through the aziemens.
of the series "please do me courtesy, send her files to the mother's house, verifying them and I send them back."

disarming simplicity. I'm sure.
I have to ask my superiors if they would like our assemblies to pass through the offices of siemens. .

(e.g. clarification. work for competition of siemes, not those that make software however...)

 

[The_Matrix]

I know that it is the law, but they should enforce it a priori and not later, but if things were correct from the very beginning then there would not be even more need for this law and therefore sanction those who break it.

What do you say, tequila... Are we going to live in Switzerland with ozzy or in baviera? ?
You talk like you don't know the Itaglia and the Italians... :biggrin:

Autovelox example: would not serve if instead of veloxes put speed controls (such as f1s when they leave the boxes) installed in the cars where the max speed even if you snap all the pedal of your 600cv jacks remains fixed at 130km/h and not an extra km. But they would no longer enter the coffers of the money states of fines.

Then they will report you to the judiciary because an accident was caused by the fact that during a surprise you could not exceed the limit in case of danger... :tongue:
Don't worry. I'm coming to bring the cake to san vittore...

 

[Fulvio Romano]

If you buy a good, maybe half the purchase price "official", and it turns out that the good was stolen. . .
Do you know how to configure what you did? "inclusive purchase."
You may not agree, but the law is so.

So... I bought a brand-free purse, I paid it 10€. attached there was a "prada" bag of the price of 100€. on the other side there was a "burberry" and it cost 1000€.

is who buys 10 to make the purchase incauto, or who covers to 1000 making the purchase imbecile?

how to understand what the price "right" is.

ok seems a polemical intervention, but it is not so. our codes are zeppi of laws not applicable, which are in fact not applied. so many do not even have the implementing decrees in official gazette, because they are quite embarrassing.

It is in fact that the auto purchase is processed rare, and just when it is obvious that below there is connivency, and it is said "but I did not know" just to pararsi the low parts.
say, if I buy a house in the center at 20,000€ it can be considered incauto purchase. if I buy a mesh at 5€ is not incauto purchase, because there are companies that manage to make that price without violating any law.
vice versa, the auto purchase could never be buying design at 30€/h just because the average is 35€/h?

 

[The_Matrix]

vice versa, the auto purchase could never be buying design at 30€/h just because the average is 35€/h?

incauto purchase is buy design at 30€/h because the average is 80€. .
incauto purchase is buy 10,000 hours of design from a studio that has 10 employees and 2 nx licenses (for example)

the purchase is "subjective" matter.
I link you a few small examples:http://www.legaleconsulenza.it/diri...auto-acquisto--consulenza-legale-on-line.htmlhttp://www.infoius.it/nuovo_forum/topic.asp?topic_id=174http://www.tnt-audio.com/hififorum/soluzione2.htmlAnyway, the law is this... and with laws, nolent or willing, we must live (and now what is it??? ? Do you all agree that the law sucks and judges even more?? :biggrin
As I wrote to you, there are many ways to protect the company you work for.. .
My suggestion is: do it. :finger:

 

[avalon3d]

I don't know exactly how much they pay. Maybe the cirph is that, but in $...
then here would graft speeches like "50$ to heal a base or a side is little, indeed, nothing... 50$ to heal a sheet bracket is exaggerated"I know... but our goal would be not to have pirate licenses around the world.remember that zimenz (plm) invoices something like 1.7b$, the introit generated by the cleaning of the files is really less than a drop in the sea.. .
Please believe me if I tell you that at business level (cleaning) is zero.

I confirm... siemens does not respond to the consequences of using pirate licenses.

I agree: siemens makes its product and sells it protecting its rights: He is fully right and right!

but who protects mine? I don't want to be polemical, but I don't think it's correct that I can explode a couple of me, that I used a file from a poor vendor, I'm of the opinion that it shouldn't be my control.

at the end siemens is in possession of all mac address and data of pcs that have worked little legally. so they know perfectly who it is.

However, it would be enough to know that I am legally protected in case I happen to work with unfair people, who signed me the certificate to use the correct program, as I think it is.
Let's just hope this never happens.

 

[Tequila]

What do you say, tequila... Are we going to live in Switzerland with ozzy or in baviera? ?
You talk like you don't know the Itaglia and the Italians... :biggrin:

but we go to the bay, they at least don't have the problem of the imminent collapse of the eurozone... see and hear the news that every day is a crap worse than yesterday is like seeing wile and. Coyote trying to take beep beep and never succeeds.

Then they will report you to the judiciary because an accident was caused by the fact that during a surprise you could not exceed the limit in case of danger... :tongue:
Don't worry. I'm coming to bring the cake to san vittore...

Put a file in it but don't get caught.

 

[MBT]

incauto purchase is buy design at 30€/h because the average is 80€. .

objection
the average from my side, in my sector, is also less than 30€/hour
quuindi, if I take to 30€/h for me it is not incauto purchase and I can not insuspect myself for this

incauto purchase is buy 10,000 hours of design from a studio that has 10 employees and 2 nx licenses (for example)

objection
I address a study that has 10 employees and 2 licenses (as long as I can know how many licenses it has... ) but I assume it has 10 employees per game with their good regular licenses. you show me that it is self-purchase.

that of the auto purchase is a jacket for those who take the towels and the patches from the cumpra vu or the rolex when they are stopped at the lights.. .

 

[The_Matrix]

I agree: siemens makes its product and sells it protecting its rights: He is fully right and right!

but who protects mine? I don't want to be polemical, but I don't think it's correct that I can explode a couple of me, that I used a file from a poor vendor, I'm of the opinion that it shouldn't be my control.

at the end siemens is in possession of all mac address and data of pcs that have worked little legally. so they know perfectly who it is.

However, it would be enough to know that I am legally protected in case I happen to work with unfair people, who signed me the certificate to use the correct program, as I think it is.
Let's just hope this never happens.

You don't have to do anything... It does all nx and siemens.
the protection system has changed and has been communicated to all customers.

 

[The_Matrix]

objection
the average from my side, in my sector, is also less than 30€/hour
quuindi, if I take to 30€/h for me it is not incauto purchase and I can not insuspect myself for this


objection
I address a study that has 10 employees and 2 licenses (as long as I can know how many licenses it has... ) but I assume it has 10 employees per game with their good regular licenses. you show me that it is self-purchase.

that of the auto purchase is a jacket for those who take the towels and the patches from the cumpra vu or the rolex when they are stopped at the lights.. .

objections received. . .
I shot figures so much to shoot them.

mbt excuse "if you know how many licenses he has?"... should be your right to claim that I tell you...
You only have to deal with your supplier. . If he uses other resources, he'll be well made to make sure they have regular licenses, right?
If he doesn't, the bsa/gdf will catch him or whoever for him.
I don't have to prove anything... I (I, it is done to say... siemens/bsa/gdf) I only pursue those who use irregular licenses... if you have been entrusted to studies with doubtful morality and have not checked them in advance, they are, unfortunately, exclusively your problems.

Look... it's + easy than you think...

 

[MBT]

objections received. . .
I shot figures so much to shoot them.

But yes, of course.
it was to show you that the thesis of the auto purchase creaks clearly when trying to put it into practice

mbt excuse "if you know how many licenses he has?"... should be your right to claim that I tell you...
You only have to deal with your supplier. . If he uses other resources, he'll be well made to make sure they have regular licenses, right?
If he doesn't, the bsa/gdf will catch him or whoever for him.

It's not that easy. There are many studies that employ employees per game iva.
and in any case, if they say "I have 10 licenses" how do you know if they are true, regular, in maintenance or "soft breath"?? ? ?
The zimenz, but not even dassault or autodesk, do not confirm that it is true...

I don't have to prove anything... I (I, it is done to say... siemens/bsa/gdf) I only pursue those who use irregular licenses... if you have been entrusted to studies with doubtful morality and have not checked them in advance, they are, unfortunately, exclusively your problems.

Look... it's + easy than you think...

I am not doubting whether the effectiveness or simplicity
However, as has been said several times, the system as effective as it can (and sometimes does) generate disguides to honest people who have benefited from dishonest collaborators.
ziemenz has "guadagnated", in the sense that pirate copies will not be used for professional purposes
but the little entrepreneur has put us back, because at least he loses time. And if it goes wrong, he loses money, besides a client... .