protect yourself from suppliers with slightly "clean" files

[The_Matrix]

But yes, of course.
it was to show you that the thesis of the auto purchase creaks clearly when trying to put it into practice

It's not that easy. There are many studies that employ employees per game iva.
and in any case, if they say "I have 10 licenses" how do you know if they are true, regular, in maintenance or "soft breath"?? ? ?
The zimenz, but not even dassault or autodesk, do not confirm that it is true...


I am not doubting whether the effectiveness or simplicity
However, as has been said several times, the system as effective as it can (and sometimes does) generate disguides to honest people who have benefited from dishonest collaborators.
ziemenz has "guadagnated", in the sense that pirate copies will not be used for professional purposes
but the little entrepreneur has put us back, because at least he loses time. And if it goes wrong, he loses money, besides a client... .

the control system has changed... right under pressure from customers.. .
now it does almost everything in a "autonomous" way.

siemens tells you how many licenses a client has if you ask and tell him why you want to know, according to the customer himself.

 

[matfio]

:redface: what should I do?
this happened to me:
I did and almost finished a nice project for my client and a nice day, indeed it was late evening, my nice client gives me a file on USB stick and tells me it is the new aesthetic.
I immediately wonder where the file comes from because I see extension prt knowing very well that he does not have nx.
He immediately answers me that it should be really nx and coming from a Chinese supplier... and here I lost two or three beats of my mighty heart.
What do you think I should do? ah I forgot since I was at the end of the project, then next to billing, then next to the realization of mold and then end of a nice job! :redface:

 

[zeigs]

about the software to verify the goodness of the file: in my opinion it is quite feasible. the file verification ability does not imply the possibility of cleaning. If the problem of mom z is to prevent someone from reverse engineering on the software in question to prevent someone from creating a cleaning tool, well, imho has already made a mistake, because (to speak of if) already in the code of the cad is integrated the verification tool, more to watch, and those who want to work on it could already quietly do it. or every time I open a file if you call your mom to ask if the file is good, and only after you warn me? because even so it would be enough to keep the pc away from the internet.
Moreover, if, as they said long ago of the noises, if you download the list of licenses on the black list with updates, I continue not to see the difficulty of a software that does the same control, with good peace of the malandrino that will not have the possibility of crahhare anything, since there is nothing to crahhare. . .
Incidentally, I am absolutely in favour of legal software, and well come the fight against piracy, only that as others I do not appreciate the method that I find very Moroccan.

 

[sail]

[avvocato del diavolo]the easiest way to solve these problems would be to have a caractical installation alongside the legitimate one to use in these cases.
[/avvocato del diavolo]then of course this could generate other types of complexity. ..:tongue:
I am not a user and I have never used /visto/ nx, I arrived in the discussion by intrigued case title

 

[Fulvio Romano]

[avvocato del diavolo]the easiest way to solve these problems would be to have a caractical installation alongside the legitimate one to use in these cases.
[/avvocato del diavolo]then of course this could generate other types of complexity. ..:tongue:
I am not a user and I have never used /visto/ nx, I arrived in the discussion by intrigued case title

would not be the first time I see people who have the license in the drawer and work on the "furba" version because more stable. . .

 

[Tequila]

would not be the first time I see people who have the license in the drawer and work on the "furba" version because more stable. . .

... or complete with all features and extra packages

 

[Fulvio Romano]

... or complete with all features and extra packages

Okay, but this is counterfeit. I don't know. .

 

[The_Matrix]

would not be the first time I see people who have the license in the drawer and work on the "furba" version because more stable. . .

... and you receive the visit of the gdf to tell him... :mixed:
protection is no longer just flagged in files.. .
you should have received all proper communication.
I'll take it off anyway.in order to protect both siemens plm software's intellectual property and our mutual interests, siemens plm software will embed an additional software security mechanism in our nx releases starting in february 2010 to monitor possible usage of unlicensed versions of nx.
such security mechanism may store data relating to the usage of nx and may communicate with computers controlled by siemens plm software to report data relating to the usage of nx.
if no unlicensed use is detected, no data will be communicated back to siemens plm software.
furthermore, steps have been taken to avoid collecting any personal data.

 

[cacciatorino]

... and you receive the visit of the gdf to tell him... :mixed:
protection is no longer just flagged in files.. .
you should have received all proper communication.

I don't understand.

1) if each pc equipped with siemens-plm software calls home to communicate its license number, I'm fine (even if then at the pirate would just work with a disconnected pc or simply with a well done firewall).

2) if the files are tagged, but they don't damage the business, I'm fine with the same

3) if the random block continues to exist when the tagged files are loaded on systems in order, we fall back as mentioned before.

Anyway, doc says the pcs call home. I actually read this communication when I got home st3. But he doesn't say the files are tagged, but this wasn't communicated even before.

 

[ceschi1959]

Bye to all,
various cases can be presented:
a 'smanettone' employee of a company craccas a license because at that moment it needs it and there is too much time to wait before some of the colleagues release it (I saw it happen years ago!!!); the company must inform its employees of the risks that make them run.
a consultant that provides files made with an illegal license: have the sold-to and possibly copy of the purchase invoice of the software, propose to send the files to gtac (payable service) to verify its authenticity.
I have heard rumors that siemens is not and will not be the only one to equip himself with similar controls.
If it is so we will see, rightly, beautiful ones.
always according to more or less reliable voices, and at least in past times, it seems that some software house did not say favor but little did against piracy thus allowing their product a certain diffusion that increased the market.
es, ugs and later siemens have always pursued a linear policy on this. It is true that they have brought the stomachache to so many users, including me, (clear yes, chavetta no, cd, oaths with blood:biggrin: and other things) but in the end they have protected their customers.

 

[cacciatorino]

It is true that they have brought the stomachache to so many users, including me, (clear yes, chavetta no, cd, oaths with blood:biggrin: and other things) but in the end they have protected their customers.

I think they did the opposite.

Maybe you should see how they do solidworks corp, see how effective licensing control works, but that leaves freedom to the user and is not invasive.

For example, explain why the license must be linked to the specific workstation! solidworks you can move it as and whenever you want, whenever you want....

 

[beppino]

:redface: what should I do?
this happened to me:
I did and almost finished a nice project for my client and a nice day, indeed it was late evening, my nice client gives me a file on USB stick and tells me it is the new aesthetic.
I immediately wonder where the file comes from because I see extension prt knowing very well that he does not have nx.
He immediately answers me that it should be really nx and coming from a Chinese supplier... and here I lost two or three beats of my mighty heart.
What do you think I should do? ah I forgot since I was at the end of the project, then next to billing, then next to the realization of mold and then end of a nice job! :redface:

upload the "probably smart" file, remove it in parasolid, and import it into your beautiful project.

 

[ceschi1959]

I think they did the opposite.

Maybe you should see how they do solidworks corp, see how effective licensing control works, but that leaves freedom to the user and is not invasive.

I mean? for information, how does it work?

For example, explain why the license must be linked to the specific workstation! solidworks you can move it as and whenever you want, whenever you want....

Even nx!

Hi.

 

[cacciatorino]

I mean? for information, how does it work?

via a web portal. load the license from the old car, and download it on the new, even ten times a day.

Even nx!

Sure? to me it turns out that when you are out maintenance this game costs 1300 euros every time.

 

[ceschi1959]

via a web portal. load the license from the old car, and download it on the new, even ten times a day.

I asked you, as from your intervention, how the control of files made with craccate licenses works, not the control of the license itself.

Sure? to me it turns out that when you are out maintenance this game costs 1300 euros every time.

Sure. there are various licenses, on various supports.

 

[cacciatorino]

I asked you, as from your intervention, how the control of files made with craccate licenses works, not the control of the license itself.

Then there was a misunderstanding. I was referring to when you said that siemens licensing control protects users. I think he's losing a lot of hours of work, and he's just trying to protect the software house.

 

[Tequila]

Then there was a misunderstanding. I was referring to when you said that siemens licensing control protects users. I think he's losing a lot of hours of work, and he's just trying to protect the software house.

I agree... licensing is not optimal for the end user and in case of problems you are blocked by bureaucracy. If I had to decide for the license now as I would now choose the floating one with the dongle, at least if I burn the hardware or stack the os, I put myself on a bed and I continue to work.

 

[alex64]

hello to all

to install the solid edge license on a new pc, you have to do it via web portal, registering the aardware, while for nx, with nod locked license on usb network key, you can move the license on all pcs you want without any limitation. ...of course the license is unique.
on these "burocratic" issues, I personally find them obsolete and corporative, try in all ways to direct products, block files, threaten sanctions, this is a witch hunting climate.
the question is always the same, the master software make their products pay a fair and consistent price.
They also know the rocks that a part of the world cares about their licensing controls and when an economy has been created in which they all agree and all use alternative licenses, explain to me what kind of controls or sanctions you can put in place!
Here we are by analogy, as the honest contributor who pays all taxes, but there are also those who do not pay them precisely and we know well that the latter will live well and that the sacrifice, on the other hand, will always do it who is "visible".

greetings

alessandro

 

[matfio]

upload the "probably smart" file, remove it in parasolid, and import it into your beautiful project.

I made him convert it to step and I sent it unfortunately with long muses but at least I felt safer.
but sometimes they don't leave you time to do it because you are at their meeting with the projector video attached to my machine and since there are all (quality, marketing, project leader, etc.) they want to see it immediately.

 

[matfio]

is it possible in a future not too far that when I open a file from nx immediately tell me "look that it is coming from pirate license" and therefore cannot open it?
Similarly when you have nx6 version and try to open a nx8 version file.