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[cacciatorino]

excuse a moment, but for a student who may be graduating and not yet graduated, what's wrong with doing an internship with only reimbursement expenses?
Tell me what's wrong?

Because this isn't internship!

As Mr. President said, the internship consists of an old man who teaches a young man art.

here instead you look for:

1) one who knows how to use the cad (so already formed)

2) one who knows how to use the cad (because nobody is capable of us and therefore must be autonomous)

3) one who knows how to use the cad (and then make the technological leap to the company since we alone are not able to go beyond the square sheet).

Tell me where the internship is? Sincerely here I only see a job request, and it is addressed to a student because you probably want to pay little as you probably don't have a family to maintain and your personal fulfillment needs are postponed to future times.

 

[PierArg]

But what is reasoning?
...
but do me the pleasure, in Italy we are all too clumsy, here it would take a revolt made for good, other than caxxi.
....

Do you know why the riot made for good has not done it yet?
Because people are still fine, and you're told a 27-year-old cogl.one.
You don't need to be 50 years old to understand these things.
You know who's gonna do the riot? our children (i.e. the children of my generation). if things do not change there will be revolt in 20 years because we are now "eating" the heritage of our parents and just because we are eating it we do not have the slightest perception of what it means to "make sacrifices"!
not only, we have not been accustomed to managing the real crisis situations like the one that passed our parents in the post-war period because we were accustomed to having everything without at least making the slightest effort (and I always refer to my generation).
That's why an internship a student despises him... and you know why? because in his pocket, thanks to his father, he has more money than he would earn by working!

My generation doesn't want to know how to work!
I (27 years) and my brother (28 years) have eaten all the savings to do the famous internship to be exploited and we did not even have the reimbursement expenses. we noticed that most of our "student colleagues" of the courses that came to class with bmw z4 or audi tt is still unemployed...pardon "unemployed"!


I also graduated while working: I was a waiter on the weekend to keep me and anyway I graduated in time (I actually finished the exams 6 months before time), with 110 and praise and credit note!
and when I came out of the university I did not claim to do the god on the ground, I made my fantastic cardboard case and I left at 1100 km away to go to warm up the desk of an office where they told me I was a merd@ terrone and at the end of the month they said they had problems with the transfer (alias I never saw a euro in six months)!

However, thanks to that experience, I have made a considerable step forward in the world of work and today I do what I like by getting paid the right.

 

[Mike1967]

... the money speech is what I did to my son when, since he didn't want it, I forced him to find a job.
He, man. he wanted to go to do the crank, the whitening (just respect for those categories, I personally made the crank and my brother is a good whitening) and who knows what else "only" to have the opportunity to earn from immediately 2500-3000 euro/month.
I told him: no fuck! Come to my firm, you'll get 4 years of apprenticeship (4 days in workshop and 1 at school) and after you get the balls to work where you want, you'll earn.
now, after 2 years of apprenticeship with a pay that touches half Italian pay (we work in Swiss) thank me because he saw his friends dismissed (the crisis also here...) that for "inordigia" and lack of lungimiranza have gone to do the above works only for the pecunia of the moment.
I don't say a graduate can't lose his job, but if he's good at work... the piece of paper counts here in Swiss: ecological operators are also graduates, only that compared to Italy they have studied for that, they are not nuclear engineers that to land the lunar go to do the most diverse professions.

now that he is almost 20 years old, the relationship with the school has improved and days ago told me that he does not care if for another two years, besides the 4, he will earn little, his goal is to take a diploma to draw and the best way to be a designer with the balls is to have built in person what then he will go to draw.
In Switzerland, the designers do several months in the workshop, I find it an exceptional system to learn on the field what the book can explain to you.
from here my thought that if the possibility of an experience on the field is offered is to be taken on the fly.
but, possible that no one has friends who have children.. and these children after 20 years of school are not hired because "required experience"... and go to experience it.... they tricked me into something basic: the more you know, the more you go.

 

[maxopus]

Do you know why the riot made for good has not done it yet?
Because people are still fine, and you're told a 27-year-old cogl.one.
You don't need to be 50 years old to understand these things.
You know who's gonna do the riot? our children (i.e. the children of my generation). if things do not change there will be revolt in 20 years because we are now "eating" the heritage of our parents and just because we are eating it we do not have the slightest perception of what it means to "make sacrifices"!
not only, we have not been accustomed to managing the real crisis situations like the one that passed our parents in the post-war period because we were accustomed to having everything without at least making the slightest effort (and I always refer to my generation).
That's why an internship a student despises him... and you know why? because in his pocket, thanks to his father, he has more money than he would earn by working!

My generation doesn't want to know how to work!
I (27 years) and my brother (28 years) have eaten all the savings to do the famous internship to be exploited and we did not even have the reimbursement expenses. we noticed that most of our "student colleagues" of the courses that came to class with bmw z4 or audi tt is still unemployed...pardon "unemployed"!


I also graduated while working: I was a waiter on the weekend to keep me and anyway I graduated in time (I actually finished the exams 6 months before time), with 110 and praise and credit note!
and when I came out of the university I did not claim to do the god on the ground, I made my fantastic cardboard case and I left at 1100 km away to go to warm up the desk of an office where they told me I was a merd@ terrone and at the end of the month they said they had problems with the transfer (alias I never saw a euro in six months)!

However, thanks to that experience, I have made a considerable step forward in the world of work and today I do what I like by getting paid the right.

I'm sorry, but yours is a partial vision of reality.
talk about people with z4 or tt and here in Italy there are 8 million people who live as poor ... but poor really, not according to the agency of income but according to Caritas.
first I told you that they do not condemn those who accept certain conditions but, it is a method however that favors illegality.
If you want to save Italy you must all claim and practice the respect of the rules to begin with those that seem less relevant to us.
We all live in a gray shadow where everyone justifies a "small" illegality.
who agrees to work in black because it is better than nothing.
who draws on European funds for training by stealing money and not forming people.
who hires people the day after they crashed from the scaffolding.
who agrees not to be invoiced by the dentist so he saves 20%.
who builds the abusive house by necessity.
who does make fake bills to pay less taxes otherwise he has to close.

That's why we're failing.

 

[Focus]

but do we realize that in these posts is Italy? :finger:

good comparison, if the tones remain the right ones there can be a good comparison.

 

[PierArg]

I'm sorry, but yours is a partial vision of reality.
talk about people with z4 or tt and here in Italy there are 8 million people who live as poor ... but poor really, not according to the agency of income but according to Caritas.
first I told you that they do not condemn those who accept certain conditions but, it is a method however that favors illegality.
If you want to save Italy you must all claim and practice the respect of the rules to begin with those that seem less relevant to us.
We all live in a gray shadow where everyone justifies a "small" illegality.
who agrees to work in black because it is better than nothing.
who draws on European funds for training by stealing money and not forming people.
who hires people the day after they crashed from the scaffolding.
who agrees not to be invoiced by the dentist so he saves 20%.
who builds the abusive house by necessity.
who does make fake bills to pay less taxes otherwise he has to close.

That's why we're failing.

Max, I'm sorry, but I think I can't make me understand! :smile:What you say is right, I share it, but it's another speech.

The speech I'm doing is this:What loses a student to do an internship (I also seem to understand with very good chances of insertion) if he currently doesn't work?the student has a "cost of opportunity" equal to zero and therefore would not cost him anything.


then all the rest of your speech for me is shared at 120% (just see all my battles around for the various threads here on the forum)

 

[PierArg]

example:

Suppose now a new 3d is opened:
I'm a student, I'm done all the tests, and I'm doing the thesis. they asked me to do an internship for a company that provides for reimbursement of expenses and not even an extra euro. Maybe, if I'm good and I deserve it, I could finally be hired permanently.do you think I have to accept or not?Pretend someone opens a thread like that and answer me.


I hope I can make myself understand. I can't really do it.

Thank you.

 

[Mike1967]

Do you know why the riot made for good has not done it yet?
Because people are still fine, and you're told a 27-year-old cogl.one.
You don't need to be 50 years old to understand these things.
You know who's gonna do the riot? our children (i.e. the children of my generation). if things do not change there will be revolt in 20 years because we are now "eating" the heritage of our parents and just because we are eating it we do not have the slightest perception of what it means to "make sacrifices"!
not only, we have not been accustomed to managing the real crisis situations like the one that passed our parents in the post-war period because we were accustomed to having everything without at least making the slightest effort (and I always refer to my generation).
That's why an internship a student despises him... and you know why? because in his pocket, thanks to his father, he has more money than he would earn by working!

My generation doesn't want to know how to work!
I (27 years) and my brother (28 years) have eaten all the savings to do the famous internship to be exploited and we did not even have the reimbursement expenses. we noticed that most of our "student colleagues" of the courses that came to class with bmw z4 or audi tt is still unemployed...pardon "unemployed"!


I also graduated while working: I was a waiter on the weekend to keep me and anyway I graduated in time (I actually finished the exams 6 months before time), with 110 and praise and credit note!
and when I came out of the university I did not claim to do the god on the ground, I made my fantastic cardboard case and I left at 1100 km away to go to warm up the desk of an office where they told me I was a merd@ terrone and at the end of the month they said they had problems with the transfer (alias I never saw a euro in six months)!

However, thanks to that experience, I have made a considerable step forward in the world of work and today I do what I like by getting paid the right.

I tell you.
She says... "...boys who have their parents for work..." (tired and drunk from supposed truths)

 

[Er Presidente]

example:

Suppose now a new 3d is opened:
I'm a student, I'm done all the tests, and I'm doing the thesis. they asked me to do an internship for a company that provides for reimbursement of expenses and not even an extra euro. Maybe, if I'm good and I deserve it, I could finally be hired permanently.do you think I have to accept or not?Pretend someone opens a thread like that and answer me.


I hope I can make myself understand. I can't really do it.

Thank you.

You should be a waver!
:smile:

So the question is obvious, it would be like asking if we love children!
"a company" means everything and nothing, depends on what company it is.
What does "refund expenses"?

It's clear that if I'm unemployed in Sardinian and the company is the ferrari, I make fake cards, I lend my money and I'm going to run modena.

If I am moderate and read an announcement of a company that in corleone wants stagisti for an agency of "bodyguard" we say that I would feel "a moment" titubante!
:biggrin:

 

[maxopus]

Max, I'm sorry, but I think I can't make me understand! :smile:What you say is right, I share it, but it's another speech.

The speech I'm doing is this:What loses a student to do an internship (I also seem to understand with very good chances of insertion) if he currently doesn't work?the student has a "cost of opportunity" equal to zero and therefore would not cost him anything.


then all the rest of your speech for me is shared at 120% (just see all my battles around for the various threads here on the forum)

I told you I agree.

but the initial question that opened the discussion in my opinion tended to something else.
a trainee, with good experience cad, one making the pieces for electric vehicles ... capisc to me:smile:

 

[stevie]

I think that the concept of internship and experience is in contrast.
this ad looks a lot like those style "cercasi apprentice with experience.. . "
Here in fact you are looking for a nice and good advice, possibly not paid and I wonder also with which licences cad, since in the announcement it is explicitly stated that the company "evaluates" if the new tool falls to improve productivity.
from what you understand you are looking for a poor devil of squattrinated schoolgirl who has time to lose, who arrives perhaps with his laptop full of licenses poops and starts to unleash. . He attacked as someone said.
I hope I'm wrong.

 

[tortellino]

No, you're not wrong.

 

[mariuss.r]

I think that the concept of internship and experience is in contrast.
this ad looks a lot like those style "cercasi apprentice with experience.. . "
Here in fact you are looking for a nice and good advice, possibly not paid and I wonder also with which licences cad, since in the announcement it is explicitly stated that the company "evaluates" if the new tool falls to improve productivity.
from what you understand you are looking for a poor devil of squattrinated schoolgirl who has time to lose, who arrives perhaps with his laptop full of licenses poops and starts to unleash. . He attacked as someone said.
I hope I'm wrong.

You have perfectly framed the reality of the facts.

 

[PierArg]

I told you I agree.

but the initial question that opened the discussion in my opinion tended to something else.
a trainee, with good experience cad, one making the pieces for electric vehicles ... capisc to me:smile:

Perfect! Finally I think I was able to express myself:

Of course, seeing things from the other side, I perfectly agree with all of you. the problem is that I focused on analyzing the meaning of the internship for a student, you (also being much more experienced than me), you immediately realized that there is something that "not square" below.

I think we're saying the same thing I agree with.

to realize how I think it is enough to take a look at how I responded here:mixed:
http://www.cad3d.it/forum1/showthread.php?t=30183&page=3

 

[Exatem]

I describe you in what the internships we do in the company premitting that we are talking about public company therefore, we do not have any "tornacon" in the trainees but on the contrary, it is often a commitment not recognized materially (and then it will be understood why "materially".

the university pole has stipulated an agreement with our management so that graduates can carry out internships of about 400 hours at us (technical office - drawing room).
We cannot, of course, pay the costs (it certainly does not compete with us as public employees) but we do not even use these young people for business interests.
Of course, in some cases for these boys it was a dull contrattempo and they showed themselves unwitting and eager only to take home our final evaluation card to increase the score.

but with others it was a real satisfaction.

personally in the last few months I was tutor of two girls one of which supported the thesis a short time ago (the second discusses it in March) and of this I want to tell you.

I brought it to the workshops where for the first time saw machine tools, saw reloading axes and the subsequent turning, saw variable step propellers disassembled in its components, fell into the basin and went under the hull.
attended our technical meetings and demonstrations by companies.
At the end of the period with us, he held a final report in front of our management, receiving vivid appreciation for the excellent work done.
I have compiled and signed the evaluation card with great satisfaction.

Then I was invited to attend the discussion of the thesis and I must admit that I was excited when, in conclusion, he publicly thanked me and my colleagues for the period spent with us.
It was, for its own admission, an extremely educational and educational period.
from the theory and the paper finally could see a ship, enter, attend the work of a yard.
In the end, a relationship has been created that I define of great friendship and that continues all the time.

the commitment I made was largely rewarded by the satisfaction of having somehow contributed to the happy conclusion of the student path of the new doctor.

I keep copy of his thesis (with dedication) among my most beautiful work memories. moral reward has no price.

 

[Whooring]

I repeat the concept of yesterday: internship=good opportunity for young people who have just completed the studies (or are ending) but always with at least reimbursement expenses and for no more than 6 months.
that sought in the advertisement is a scam!!!! !

for the Neapolitan that if I do not err is called tortellino if I have not understood badly he has graduated from 12 years............... but how do you graduate from 12 years in engineering that "true old order with versus ca@i that for genes" and be unemployed? I think there are other problems because with 12 years of experience a job even if you may find it below your qualifications.
then the speech graduates old or new order I say only that times change and Italy instead for 40 years did not want to change and now we pay the consequences in all sectors.

 

[Fulvio Romano]

example:

Suppose now a new 3d is opened:
I'm a student, I'm done all the tests, and I'm doing the thesis. they asked me to do an internship for a company that provides for reimbursement of expenses and not even an extra euro. Maybe, if I'm good and I deserve it, I could finally be hired permanently.do you think I have to accept or not?Pretend someone opens a thread like that and answer me.

Congratulations.
a nice way to turn the question to see the situation from a different point of view (and get the ham out of the eyes).

I also do a counter-example.

If athlon's question was asked by a German? or an American? Would you have thought wrong? or is it really racism towards its fellow citizens? If you're Italian, you're gonna screw me, if you're German, I trust you?

I told you I agree.

but the initial question that opened the discussion in my opinion tended to something else.
a trainee, with good experience cad, one making the pieces for electric vehicles ... capisc to me:smile:

I still don't agree.
no one has ever talked about "good experience", but simply "good knowledge". So not a consultant who has been working for twenty years with software, but just a kid who has a university infarination and can say his, not as advice, but as an internship.
a "I have what you miss (experience), and I care about the path of studies you have done." an internship, in fact. If you go, maybe I'll hire you.

if the job was done by a consultant instead what would happen? The company and the advisor work elbowfully, then, after consulting, the company is set up and next because it knows that it falls to use, but it needs a trainee to train and then maybe hire.

I agree that internships, cocopros, etc. are often used as a weapon against the labour market. But I don't understand why athlon has asked a little clear question and everyone has given it to him by reading in that question a concentrate of evil that is in Italy. as the question is written, it may also be a correct way to use an internship. as pierarg says, why always criticize?

 

[maxopus]

Congratulations.
a nice way to turn the question to see the situation from a different point of view (and get the ham out of the eyes).

I also do a counter-example.

If athlon's question was asked by a German? or an American? Would you have thought wrong? or is it really racism towards its fellow citizens? If you're Italian, you're gonna screw me, if you're German, I trust you?

I still don't agree.
no one has ever talked about "good experience", but simply "good knowledge". So not a consultant who has been working for twenty years with software, but just a kid who has a university infarination and can say his, not as advice, but as an internship.
a "I have what you miss (experience), and I care about the path of studies you have done." an internship, in fact. If you go, maybe I'll hire you.

if the job was done by a consultant instead what would happen? The company and the advisor work elbowfully, then, after consulting, the company is set up and next because it knows that it falls to use, but it needs a trainee to train and then maybe hire.

I agree that internships, cocopros, etc. are often used as a weapon against the labour market. But I don't understand why athlon has asked a little clear question and everyone has given it to him by reading in that question a concentrate of evil that is in Italy. as the question is written, it may also be a correct way to use an internship. as pierarg says, why always criticize?

I'll start thinking bad all the time.
Does the company want to change products and methods of work (pass from 2d to 3d) and adopt for these 2 steps an intern?
You know what they say, but please me.

 

[PierArg]

I'll start thinking bad all the time.
Does the company want to change products and methods of work (pass from 2d to 3d) and adopt for these 2 steps an intern?
You know what they say, but please me.

hi max, I try to make you think about something.

in my life all the greatest people of me have always said (and they have also said it several times in the various threads in this forum) that you always start from the tire and with sacrifices.
you always hear the word "at first you have to swallow the toad"...and these phrases didn't say them either.
are all phrases that have a match of actual and actual circumstances that occurred in your lives.
are experiences that all of you have done: who stallers, who to work in the fields, who in the workshop exploited up to the last drop, etc.
all our parents before doing the current work started with equally subpaid jobs (if it was okay) and humiliating (not work....but the environment).
Don't tell me that those who came out of the geometra immediately did the free profession and earned money on the palate because I don't believe it!
as well as the mechanical expert did not immediately make the designer... if he was okay with the hand tools in the workshop for a bowl of rice.


I don't know why but I am convinced that even many of you at first had such a path....if then, as soon as you finished studying you were hired the next day with contracts indefinitely and 16 monthly, I envy you a lot!

 

[cacciatorino]

hi max, I try to make you think about something.

I think you keep not picking up the point.

It is obvious that before being productive one must form, and that the training period will be poorly paid, in the face of the "trainer" commitment that will teach us the job.

In this case, instead, we ask for a "tirocinante" to do something that they cannot do. So who's training this trainee? No one, so I'm poor trainee, besides taking a little money, will also have to train on its own and then pass the skills acquired to its trainers, but please... .