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[PierArg]

I think you keep not picking up the point.

It is obvious that before being productive one must form, and that the training period will be poorly paid, in the face of the "trainer" commitment that will teach us the job.

In this case, instead, we ask for a "tirocinante" to do something that they cannot do. So who's training this trainee? No one, so I'm poor trainee, besides taking a little money, will also have to train on its own and then pass the skills acquired to its trainers, but please... .

Obviously the trainee has the means (alias study path) that allows him to arrive where others can not!

and if an intern has the square p@lles below it also has the opportunity to demonstrate that the degree did not take it with the points (as previously said in this discussion) but engaging.

I see a big opportunity....in fact, if the trainee proves to be able to do it, be quiet that it could become a key element of that company as it possesses skills and skills that no one else has.
and then see how from the most underpaid becomes the most paid.

 

[Exatem]

I think you keep not picking up the point.

It is obvious that before being productive one must form, and that the training period will be poorly paid, in the face of the "trainer" commitment that will teach us the job.

In this case, instead, we ask for a "tirocinante" to do something that they cannot do. So who's training this trainee? No one, so I'm poor trainee, besides taking a little money, will also have to train on its own and then pass the skills acquired to its trainers, but please... .

That's exactly what I meant above.
if an intern is "experienced" and already self-sufficient, his employment in the company is an exploitation of the condition.
the internship is also a heavy commitment by those who are in charge of doing the tutor and not always is rewarded (but in my case, economically. for this I have told of moral satisfactions).
if the internship is "real", it is an excellent opportunity for growth and training.

 

[numero1]

pier, reading the last post my perplexities have strengthened, if previously I thought there might be something good now I am + titubante.
a message like that was not to be put here, and already this is a fact that doesn't sound good to me.
If you read the posts in the section, you can see in my opinion that, at least formally, the majority is written in another way.
and then it is too ambiguous, I wrote it immediately, the only person who can answer certain questions that have been raised away has eclipsed and now?
you write in the link you put that the quality you pay and we agree (up to a certain point) .... ergo what they are looking for in this ad can not be an intern.
If he's one with square p@lles, he's got to be paid, and why did he book them?
Maybe because he's already done some internships...
Hi.

 

[maxopus]

Obviously the trainee has the means (alias study path) that allows him to arrive where others can not!

and if an intern has the square p@lles below it also has the opportunity to demonstrate that the degree did not take it with the points (as previously said in this discussion) but engaging.

I see a big opportunity....in fact, if the trainee proves to be able to do it, be quiet that it could become a key element of that company as it possesses skills and skills that no one else has.
and then see how from the most underpaid becomes the most paid.

If an intern knows more about who should train him... he's no longer an intern.
the intern is there to learn not to teach a method to the unknown company.
if you want to entrust to a young awake the change of the working method, there are other contractual formulas.

 

[PierArg]

If an intern knows more about who should train him... he's no longer an intern.
the intern is there to learn not to teach a method to the unknown company.
if you want to entrust to a young awake the change of the working method, there are other contractual formulas.

response to max and number1: the intern is not there to learn neither to make the professor.
the intern is there simply for try to seize an opportunity to exploit what he learned in the course of studies.

because it is based on potential and not on consolidated experiences it is right that there is no pay as manager and neither so much less that it is subpaid!

Finally I think the section is right: engineering students

athlon put his ad directly in the section attended by the target (i.e. students) of his ad... made an excellent choice in my opinion.
If he had put it in "free professional forum" then I would have been the first to pick up the fork and join me to the vostr abattle.


I hope to have explained this time:tongue:

 

[MBT]

the intern is there simply for try to seize an opportunity to exploit what he learned in the course of studies.

we make a clarification, to scan of misunderstandingshttp://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/tirociniothe internship (in French language: internship, pronounced /'sta'/) indicates a very variable company experience, for the main purpose of learning and training.Now. .
if the company looks for one for teach him to draw pieces in 3d according to theconsolidated experience of the company itself, then it is internship and it is good that it is free
if the company is looking for one who knows draw pieces in 3d to set the work of your technical office, then It is not internship but advice and pay

I repeat
If you, alleged trainee, are "giving" to the company what you learned, you are not doing internship. You're advising! Basically, for heaven's sake. that will be useful to you too because you put into practice something "theory" do not discuss it. but the "direction" of the knowledge goes from you to the company. which is not internship.. .
the internship assumes that you know something at a more or less basic level and that the company gives you the opportunity to expand your knowledge by drawing from the now known and consolidated ones of the company itself. the flow of information, in this case, is mainly from the company to you.

 

[MBT]

Finally I think the section is right: engineering students

athlon put his ad directly in the section attended by the target (i.e. students) of his ad... made an excellent choice in my opinion.
If he had put it in "free professional forum" then I would have been the first to pick up the fork and join me to the vostr abattle.

I say, "kol kaiser!"
there is an area of job offers listings... be published there!
This area is good for the discussion that followed, but it is not the correct place for the announcement

 

[PierArg]

we make a clarification, to scan of misunderstandingshttp://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/tirociniothe internship (in French language: internship, pronounced /'sta'/) indicates a very variable company experience, for the main purpose of learning and training.Now. .
if the company looks for one for teach him to draw pieces in 3d according to theconsolidated experience of the company itself, then it is internship and it is good that it is free
if the company is looking for one who knows draw pieces in 3d to set the work of your technical office, then It is not internship but advice and pay

I repeat
If you, alleged trainee, are "giving" to the company what you learned, you are not doing internship. You're advising! Basically, for heaven's sake. that will be useful to you too because you put into practice something "theory" do not discuss it. but the "direction" of the knowledge goes from you to the company. which is not internship.. .
the internship assumes that you know something at a more or less basic level and that the company gives you the opportunity to expand your knowledge by drawing from the now known and consolidated ones of the company itself. the flow of information, in this case, is mainly from the company to you.

Okay, perfect! I agree in full but I would like to make a statement.

We don't call it an internship, let's call it, as you say, consulting collaboration. At this point I would be right:

a) I choose a professional who pays a lot of money and I am sure of the good quality of work.

(b) I take a student who doesn't pay as point a) (but I pay anyway) and see how the experiment ends.
Obviously the pay is not high because there is the famous risk of success.

Conclusions:
because a company does not need a sure good success of the business, prefers to spend less in the face of a greater possibility of error.

 

[PierArg]

I say, "kol kaiser!"
there is an area of job offers listings... be published there!
This area is good for the discussion that followed, but it is not the correct place for the announcement

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah....era per dire dal alsoto in vista in marketing! :biggrin:

 

[PierArg]

... if the company is looking for one who knows draw pieces in 3d to set the work of your technical office, then It is not internship but advice and pay

. .

Sorry, explain where athlon wrote "non retribuito"?

The concept is this. Why do you always think that when someone writes "thyrocinio" there is "not paid"?

for the rest (I repeat it for the umpteenth time) I agree with everything you said.

 

[MBT]

Okay, perfect! I agree in full but I would like to make a statement.

We don't call it an internship, let's call it, as you say, consulting collaboration. At this point I would be right:

a) I choose a professional who pays a lot of money and I am sure of the good quality of work.

(b) I take a student who doesn't pay as point a) (but I pay anyway) and see how the experiment ends.
Obviously the pay is not high because there is the famous risk of success.

Conclusions:
because a company does not need a sure good success of the business, prefers to spend less in the face of a greater possibility of error.

background error, pierarg.
I'm free not to pay for it!
The term is wrong then. You're the one You don't want An intern, but an employee. low level, paid a caxxo, fixed time, but employee and salaried

 

[MBT]

... if the company is looking for one who knows draw pieces in 3d to set the work of your technical office, then It is not internship but advice and pay

. .

Sorry, explain where athlon wrote "non retribuito"?

The concept is this. Why do you always think that when someone writes "thyrocinio" there is "not paid"?

for the rest (I repeat it for the umpteenth time) I agree with everything you said.

says the law


lo stagista not entitled to pay, social security contributions, paid leaveNo notice (or notice of failure) is provided in case of dismissal or resignation. each of the parties may terminate the internship report without notice or charges. does not apply therefore mandatory protection

the only charge for the employer is the payment of the compulsory accident insurance (inail with tariff heading 0611) and a private insurance for different risks.

in Italy, the internship contract specifies the training objectives that the period of internship is set, the duration of the relationship, the name of the internal tutor to the company that will follow the intern, the mode with which the internship will be conducted by the company (i.e. the tasks that the company will entrust to the intern and the way with which the intern will be followed in their performance), the daily times in which the company will be entitled to

 

[Ivan1990]

I think some companies exploit the fact of the lack of work, promising things that they may not maintain, because in my opinion an announcement like this should look for a graduate or graduate to assume it as a designer at a time determined, if then a good project can think about taking it longer... of course the two roads involve different costs.... besides buy a 3d program to try a new road... after the 3d program that end does, if the road does not bring advantages?
I think at the end of the idea is to turn more trainees in order to obtain an acceleration, since they only have basic pieces (and do not need a highly qualified designer), and I think they are already sure of the advantages that can bring him a 3d program (if not, I doubt that they would invest thousands of euros in a road to a test).
Of course it's my idea.
I hope I'm wrong, but now there's too many stories like that... And sincerely it seems to me one of those cases.

 

[Joshua662]

hi guys I read part of the discussion and for my opinion for what can count I would start saying this:

Italy has always been divided into two parts north and south the expedition of the thousand is served only to join two states physically but mentally and condomically remained deeply divided.

Second consideration, today's entrepreneurs are fraudulents authorized by the state they steal on a neck course and hardly pay the wrong done.

third consideration personal experience 10 years of apprenticeship contact on 1 December 1999 - July 2004 this contract was of mechanical apprentice and I was a bus driver besides roma and not in the country of residence, other contract of apprenticeship July 2004 - 2009 contract of apprentice exercise operator always in the field of self-ferrous tranvieri, meanwhile this my agonized career I interrupted the working period for about one year to follow two courses

now a word in favor of the internship, with these two courses I did two internships more than internships in two companies including one in aeronautical constructions, from there I learned to use more in-depth cad as autocad and catia v5. the time has passed and only today I managed to find a company that has believed in my qualities of designer and underline designer cad gave me the opportunity to go to school in the evening and I attend the industrial technical institute to mechanical address in a country near mine, today I feel a little more prepared than I was when working under the infamous thief. . .

many sacrifices to get what I really wanted to work in the field of design and design but more design than design for that part I still have to study so much and follow advice from other better and better prepared people of me.

In part I agree with tortellino so I think because it lives like me in the wrong part of Italy, where black work reigns, scam entrepreneurs where they take and do not give, where they fruit and in most cases they do not even pay you.

I don't agree with band bass because it's soon said, she searches for people with at least three years of experience and I answer them so but if it's not her or who does her own job to give the opportunity to experience where we make her so named and wanted experience? Is it like saying who the egg or the chicken was born first? in computer science such an instruction is called looping vicious circle without exit. once my acquaintance made me a fun game to make me understand this took a roundabout and we turned for about 1 hour in the same picture my stomach but this to make me understand what the interinal work means black work internship the experience sought by band bass and especially the internship that so much anger creates at tortellino.

Dear boys I in my little can say if in Italy things do not improve significantly i.e. companies drawn from sources such as colleges universities and professional institutes the work remains a vicious circle, an example I saw it in convoy at the university of glasgow and that university seemed a hypertechnological reggia had cnc milling machines cnc, autoclaves for composite material, laboratories with equipment of all kinds as hard printer in Italy already and so much that you find a bench and a chair to sit and write because if you find the busy course you have to stand and write notes imported for the study at c@o dog and when you come home you don't even know what you wrote.... this is Italian... the need for work of suitable structures for preparation and above all teaching skills that know what they are explaining not as those who read and say word by word what the book says....

apologize for my stretching but Italy has improved and needs to be improved for all of us and for our children who will come.... soon. .

 

[PierArg]

says the law


lo stagista not entitled to pay, social security contributions, paid leaveNo notice (or notice of failure) is provided in case of dismissal or resignation. each of the parties may terminate the internship report without notice or charges. does not apply therefore mandatory protection

the only charge for the employer is the payment of the compulsory accident insurance (inail with tariff heading 0611) and a private insurance for different risks.

in Italy, the internship contract specifies the training objectives that the period of internship is set, the duration of the relationship, the name of the internal tutor to the company that will follow the intern, the mode with which the internship will be conducted by the company (i.e. the tasks that the company will entrust to the intern and the way with which the intern will be followed in their performance), the daily times in which the company will be entitled to

I give up:

I thank all because you gave me information that made me "open my eyes"... although I'm sorry but I remain my ideas: I think for a student an internship wouldn't hurt.
That's all.

I conclude by apologising to tortellino because I feel like I've overreacted a bit too much in the first post.

 

[Ivan1990]

I give up:

I thank all because you gave me information that made me "open my eyes"... although I'm sorry but I remain my ideas: I think for a student an internship wouldn't hurt.
That's all.

I conclude by apologising to tortellino because I feel like I've overreacted a bit too much in the first post.

I think we're all saying the same things with different formulas... .
no one doubts the usefulness of an internship... but on how it should be done....it is not right to hire a trainee to get him to do a job where he would deserve a pay... it is as if they send you to do an internship, and they put you in front of a cnc machine already planned to pull out and put pieces.... do you consider it a useful internship or exploitation? ?

 

[PierArg]

I think we're all saying the same things with different formulas... .
no one doubts the usefulness of an internship... but on how it should be done....it is not right to hire a trainee to get him to do a job where he would deserve a pay... it is as if they send you to do an internship, and they put you in front of a cnc machine already planned to pull out and put pieces.... do you consider it a useful internship or exploitation? ?

absolutely exploitation!

We wait for athlon to let us know everything in detail and then we can evaluate/judge.
but only after, and not before!
here began to criticize since the announcement. Maybe athlon expressed himself badly and did not make the idea as he wanted to create misunderstandings.

Looks like you were all ready with the rifle in your hand and waiting for any random signal to open the fire.

 

[Fulvio Romano]

Sorry, explain where athlon wrote "non retribuito"?

Goddamn it, we give reimbursement of expenses to the thesis...make yourself the trainees!

 

[PierArg]

fulvio, it seems that it is you and me against the "resto d'italia"...


by now mbt has sided with the adversity side (short! is to laugh on) while er president is still neutral!

 

[athlon]

I'm not eclipsed, I simply cannot be on the internet 24h, for those who think that a consultant is more indicated, I answer that the level of the pieces is very trivial and I don't think that it is really necessary one that the cad knows how to use it as a professional.

the announcement is aimed at non-graduate engineering students (22-24 years) with the passion of the cad and who want to roll up doing some business day where they can try to put on cad some piece and see it realized by the real