work in 2 users on the same file

[brizzo1982]

Good morning, everyone.
simple simple question suitable for Monday morning: exists the possibility (with 2010 full autocad version) of being able to work in multiple operators (already 2 would be enough) on the same file and be able to manage the saves carried out by everyone?

..a little as it happens on shared documents of google docs! :finger:

Thank you for your concern.

 

[tir]

no, can work one only

 

[brizzo1982]

This is a good limitation today!
Are there any noises on next versions that can implement this mode? It would be an immanent utility!

 

[PlannerRoad]

the easiest way could be to work with xrifs (of course depends on how the design is structured).
to be considered otherwise autodesk vault.
http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/pc/index?siteid=123112&id=4502718
http://www.cad3d.it/forum1/showthread.php?t=15498
http://www.cad3d.it/forum1/showthread.php?t=1934

 

[brizzo1982]

Thanks plannerroad.
already we use x-rifs, but only to load the common architectural bases and in the various designs instead we create the plant planks.
The problem arises precisely by drawing on a single plant table at the same time in several colleagues, in different areas of the building, and still allowing the rescues by eliminating "the opening in read-only".

I searched a little on vault.. the available documentation is not entirely clear and of immediate understanding.

Is that what we want? to take into account that for our needs it would be enough to share the design among several users on the single company network, not externally (internet).

 

[PlannerRoad]

....I searched a little on vault.. available documentation is not entirely clear and immediate understanding. ....

Yes, you're right about this.

Is that what we want? ....

for more clarification would be the case to ask your autodesk provider.
certainly will be able to better explain the potential of the product.

 

[brizzo1982]

grazie.

for more clarification would be the case to ask your autodesk provider.

Okay, we'll try and get in touch. but now on the immediate, to test its features, does not even exist a trial version?
I searched but in vain on the autodesk sites, and manco gugolando is located...

 

[Tristan]

This is a good limitation today!
Are there any noises on next versions that can implement this mode? It would be an immanent utility!

a usefulness that is both immanent and ineffective. But do you realize what you're asking? even office documents have this possibility, figure out autocad drawings!! :36_1_5:

The problem arises precisely by drawing on a single plant table at the same time in several colleagues, in different areas of the building, and still allowing the rescues by eliminating "the opening in read-only".

Everyone has his own area to design, right? then you all enter as xrif the architectonic and each one of you loads, always as xrif, the file of the colleague. What's the problem?

I searched a little on vault.. the available documentation is not entirely clear and of immediate understanding.
Is that what we want?

autodesk vault is a review and document management control software. allows to perform "checkin" and "checkout" of files while maintaining the history of the project. it would be to understand what happens when in two download the same version of the dwg and repositate it in different times.
try contacting your dealer and make a demo.

edit: planner you preceded me.
p.s. if you have an active subscription contract (not on lt), you probably already have vault ready to be installed and used

 

[MarcoBi]

Thanks plannerroad.
already we use x-rifs, but only to load the common architectural bases and in the various designs instead we create the plant planks.
The problem arises precisely by drawing on a single plant table at the same time in several colleagues, in different areas of the building, and still allowing the rescues by eliminating "the opening in read-only".

I searched a little on vault.. the available documentation is not entirely clear and of immediate understanding.

Is that what we want? to take into account that for our needs it would be enough to share the design among several users on the single company network, not externally (internet).

for autocad, the only one is xrif as you have already explained.
I see that you do implants, so if you are interested in cadmatic you can work in how many you want at the same time and also through the internet on the same model by implementing it. also import and export autocad.

 

[brizzo1982]

a usefulness that is both immanent and ineffective. But do you realize what you're asking? even office documents have this possibility, figure out autocad drawings!! :36_1_5:

Yes, I realize what I'm asking, and I think I'm among the various cloud speeches etc. we will not be far from being able to edit documents in the same network between different users at the same time also with office and autocad (after all as I said above with google documents the possibility already exists).

Everyone has his own area to design, right? then you all enter as xrif the architectonic and each one of you loads, always as xrif, the file of the colleague. What's the problem?

Maybe I didn't explain well. the xrif we use them daily, but they are not a solution, at least a piece. That's not our case, point. We're looking for something different.
the xrif is an insert in a layer of a design reference not editable (because open by my colleague), so it doesn't help! I should continually reload the xrif to view the changes in progress, I cannot intervene on the co-worker's work (copy or move objects)..and I would initially have to divide the design into portions as the designers at work.

to us (and I challenge, to how many other engineering studies it could do convenient!) the possibility to skip the opening of read-only files, and make it feasible and viewable by a real-time user the changes made by a second user (who has opened the same design in second time).

autodesk vault is a review and document management control software. allows to perform "checkin" and "checkout" of files while maintaining the history of the project. it would be to understand what happens when in two download the same version of the dwg and repositate it in different times.
try contacting your dealer and make a demo.

edit: planner you preceded me.
p.s. if you have an active subscription contract (not on lt), you probably already have vault ready to be installed and used

vault I don't know him, I'll try to get better.
I read this already on the website autodesk
http://www.autodesk.it/adsk/servlet/pc/compare/index?siteid=457036&id=17585386that allows the " simultaneous design".
I'd like to ask someone who uses it if he can do the above.

 

[brizzo1982]

for autocad, the only one is xrif as you have already explained.
I see that you do implants, so if you are interested in cadmatic you can work in how many you want at the same time and also through the internet on the same model by implementing it. also import and export autocad.

thanks to the interest, but xrifs do not do what I ask, as stated above, and frankly we are not willing to change software to implement this function.

 

[Giuseppe Mauro]

and make the changes made by a second user (which has opened the same design in second time).

I mean, you'd like to have a design with your own life, where you'd like a component, a wall, a line, and while you're working, you'd find it moved, modified or deleted without touching it, maybe because of a user who's downstairs, so you need it or so you like it. stuff to catch the skin.

Secondly rather than recharge a xrif every tot of time, simply would be a continuous cycle recharge the design (see that it should be updated in real time to a tot number of users).
and what version would you save on disk? The last one who closed the design?
Then it would also take a real-time rescue. . .

complicated the thing, just to have the convenience of copying an object of a colleague?

 

[brizzo1982]

... just to have the convenience of copying an object of a colleague?

absolutely not! we are planters and not strutturists.
so, having inserted the structure as x-rif, we could in real time electric and thermotechnical design on the same design by screening, discussing and possibly modifying the passages and crossings between the various plants!
or two electrics that draw on the same table could take care of different types of plants, avoiding to harm each other the symbols (which systematically happens by drawing on different tables and then joining them with copy and paste). .

I see very skepticism in the answers in this discussion.
And yet it seems to me of extreme utility a method of work like this.
most likely we are all a little anchored to the tradition of "he opened the file, so in read alone I can't do anything".
would be a beautiful revolution..from dos, to the windows graphic interface, to the elimination of the "privileges" of writing obtained from the first that opens a certain file.
It is not the purpose of discussion to understand whether at the software level it is or is not complicated such work!

I repeat in full, that google documents does it already, and it works great! it is a satisfaction to use it.. you see on your screen in real time the edits of the various users and information about who accesses the file and who exits!

 

[Tristan]

I mean, you'd like to have a design with your own life, where you'd like a component, a wall, a line, and while you're working, you'd find it moved, modified or deleted without touching it, maybe because of a user who's downstairs, so you need it or so you like it. stuff to catch the skin.

I'm weird! That would be a real pig!

absolutely not! we are planters and not strutturists.
so, having inserted the structure as x-rif, we could in real time electric and thermotechnical design on the same design by screening, discussing and possibly modifying the passages and crossings between the various plants!
or two electrics that draw on the same table could take care of different types of plants, avoiding to harm each other the symbols (which systematically happens by drawing on different tables and then joining them with copy and paste)

Right! I don't understand where the problem is.

I repeat in full, that google documents does it already, and it works great! it is a satisfaction to use it.. you see on your screen in real time the edits of the various users and information about who accesses the file and who exits!

Sure, but if I don't erro google docs is a cloud application, which is quite different.

 

[rpor66]

I refer to the paragraph "or two electrics drawing on the same table...":
predict the use of three or more drawings, base, the main compound from the structural + xref (in overlay), ele1 composed of xref (in overlay) base + ele2 and ele2 composed of xref (in overlay) base + ele1.
both have structural reports and the design of the colleague.
who manages base also has yours.
What does not go in this "shared" method?

bye

 

[Giuseppe Mauro]

And yet it seems to me of extreme utility a method of work like this.
most likely we are all a little anchored to the tradition of "he opened the file, so in read alone I can't do anything".
...
It is not the purpose of discussion to understand whether at the software level it is or is not complicated such work!

I think it's absolutely uncomfortable.
I'm not uncomfortable having an update on the thermotechnical colleague what he does, but I'm uncomfortable that the electrician can change the thermotechnic without this knowing.

it is much more correct to refer to the drawings of others (such as the electric that "xriffa" the thermotechnic and the thermotechnic that "xriffa" the electric).
In this way you can avoid the overlap of the symbols you say.
autocad (willing) signals when a xref has been modified, so only when it changes.

I am of the idea that you organize completely differently.
useless not to overlay the symbol of the storm with that of the light point. simply have to stay on 2 different boards. If I open a design and I find air conditioning, water, electricity and telephone on the same table, simply fire, I call the designer and I make it 4 distinct :biggrin:
useless inventing this solution to prevent 2 electrics overlap the symbols between them. simply divide the building by zone, instead of splitting "I make the circuit lights, you took it".

On the other hand there is a hierarchy also in the plant field, due to technological limitations. The electrician, for example, almost always comes last because it has no problem to make certain turns to the cables, which is impossible for a conditioning channel.

also the architectonic and structural walk in hand, but the architectonic comes first.
useless that the strutturist moves a window to put a pillar and reduce the span of a loft. Perhaps that change affects a series of choices (eesthetic, normative or even economic) and is done only if it is impossible for the strutturist or if the solution is more honest than the problems it solves.

In my opinion, the solution that is prosperous only generates so much confusion and would involve rather than regular meetings of coordination/confrontation a single coordination session that begins at the opening of the project and ends only when it is delivered (with all that entails in terms of time loss).

 

[Tristan]

What does not go in this "shared" method?

That's what I've been trying to figure out since this morning...

I think it's absolutely uncomfortable.[...]In my opinion, the solution that is prosperous only generates so much confusion and would involve rather than regular meetings of coordination/confrontation a single coordination session that begins at the opening of the project and ends only when it is delivered (with all that entails in terms of time loss).

How do not agree...but cribbio, if you do google docs!:36_6_1:
I'll never get to understand it. .

 

[MarcoBi]

so, having inserted the structure as x-rif, we could in real time electric and thermotechnical design on the same design by screening, discussing and possibly modifying the passages and crossings between the various plants!
or two electrics that draw on the same table could take care of different types of plants, avoiding to harm each other the symbols (which systematically happens by drawing on different tables and then joining them with copy and paste). .

I didn't realize you were talking about drawing 2d...
In this case it is obvious that every investment is unnecessary. Just a little coordination and a basic study.

 

[numero1]

@brick

Regardless of whether it's cool or not to be able to do what you say... remains the fact that nowadays you don't.
you are the first to hear this request

the plant can be divided by zones or services, and this is basic, even with very powerful sw of autocad.
or you work all that happens in your zone of influence, or you get all the lines of that service and you do it wherever they are in the plant.

but 2 at the same time on the same file...... boh?
so you have to split up and organize upstream work.
earlier you can divide the work by disciplines, who makes piping, who follows the hvac etc. etc.
I didn't understand one thing though, you talk about working in 2d or 3d.

Hi.

edit: ah here 2d

 

[paolo.c]

I think you should read some documentation about archicad and its bim server where this is perfectly normal, obviously with the right permissions on who can change/create what.
the fact that in Italy everyone feels right to change everything is another speech, brizzo1982 asked how to improve collaboration by exploiting the computer tool more not how to make a soup of skills.
in a certain autodesk measure with autocad ws this thing has already thought and implemented, and honestly I do not understand what is so strange in the request of brizzo1982. cloud computing is at the door, someone said we are already in the post-pcs era.
already, you use xrif... which then inevitably you forget to attach to emails:smile: