work in 2 users on the same file

[Tristan]

I think you should read some documentation about archicad and its bim server where this is perfectly normal, obviously with the right permissions on who can change/create what.

also revit with the workset is able to do it, managing permissions and rights, but we are talking about autocad. Then if you put it on my feet I would advise you to throw acad and go to revit mep!

in a certain autodesk measure with autocad ws this thing has already thought and implemented, and honestly I do not understand what is so strange in the request of brizzo1982. cloud computing is at the door, someone said we are already in the post-pcs era.

fully agreed! but the instrument is still uncertain. the solution was actually given to him. vault collaboration. who hear from his dealer how it works and if the game is worth the candle.

already, you use xrif... that you will never forget to attach to emails

etransmit...e passed the paura

 

[Giuseppe Mauro]

already, you use xrif... which then inevitably you forget to attach to emails:smile:

The problem is that too often these tools are fed to those who think the pc is a thinking being and not a machine to give directives.
Maybe there's someone who wants to use cloud computing, but if you ask how much the timing of his rams is set, or the mac address of his pc, you fall off the pear.

If you work in a disorderly manner, or you don't know the commands to facilitate your life, the blame is not the program.
as it is not a value of a program to make every operation ridiculously simple. You lose your habit of thinking, if some cars do it for you.

p.s.
The massive use of xrifs is also a damage.
I have seen tables produced by gentlemen technical offices (anald for example) that weigh the impossible and are so full of information (unnecessary) that you open it, you applaud the skin and call it back.

 

[brizzo1982]

I throw a little sums of this endless thread.

@paolo.c, @plannerroad

thanks for the valuable tips in line with the thread topic. :smile: you have caught in the sign, (so obviously I have not explained badly my need) and I will see to deepen the speech with the vault or wait..it is a matter of time now but because functions like this are implemented on all the software!


@numero1, @marcobi, @giuseppemauro, @rpor66

1) Thank you for your concern, but you have not understood the meaning of what I meant.
we present ourselves: we are an engineering study composed of 10 technicians between electrical and thermotechnical and we have been struggling with large works to develop in ridiculous times (electrical and mechanical definitions of shopping centers to end taxally in a few days).
in these conditions, in which almost lacks time to make meetings, the necessary thing is not to waste time unnecessarily for graphic ornaments, overlaps between different types of plant, import of mechanical plants in electric boards etc.
in these cases the ability to draw multiple plants in one table in more people to avoid overlapping would allow us to save much time later.
x-rif speech: I've known them very well for years, and I don't need them specifically. Why?
because keeping the x-rifs of my colleagues inserted I would never in real time have the status of the components of the plants on the table: I should always recharge them.
Once I have seen an overlap that coincides with my component, I should verbally warn the colleague to move his part of the plant/director/indication, and then recharge the xrif and check if the move went well.
all the manphrine must be done even if to overlap are an electrical outlet with a floor fancoil, or a ceiling smoke detector with a ceiling lamp, or an air channel placed at the same altitude of an electric channel (which I could change to the flight myself and verbally make the colleague participate from the marginal modification). :angry:

2) with the opening of this thread, I looked for a new way to use the file, a sort of cloud sharing: if you can do between different devices on the internet I do not understand why one day can not be applied to a company network. work would be simplified and speeded up.
I thank you for the extreme care with which you have tried to solve the problem by listing me new operating modes (both software and internal organization of work), but our internal quality system is more than exhaustive. my question was about the software operating mode! :finger:

3) Technically how to do not know: I am not programmer, surely it is not manageable through macro, lisp or similar, it is undoubted.
But that now I can't do it with autocad I'm not sure yet, I have to verify the potential of vault. :mixed:


@tristan

the quality and usefulness of the posts is inversely proportional to the amount of sacceence, irony and sarcasm they contain.
is a technical forum this: someone asks, another if he has the skills he answers in a polite manner inherently to the asked question, avoiding allusions and judgments of the modus operandi of who asks. Thank you!


Good day to all.

 

[Tristan]

x-rif speech: I've known them very well for years, and I don't need them specifically. Why?
because keeping the x-rifs of my colleagues inserted I would never in real time have the status of the components of the plants on the table: I should always recharge them.
Once I have seen an overlap that coincides with my component, I should verbally warn the colleague to move his part of the plant/director/indication, and then recharge the xrif and check if the move went well.
all the manphrine must be done even if to overlap are an electrical outlet with a floor fancoil, or a ceiling smoke detector with a ceiling lamp, or an air channel placed at the same altitude of an electric channel (which I could change to the flight myself and verbally make the colleague participate from the marginal modification).

...and I already imagine my colleagues' pissing about why you moved this or that other device! if you think through rights and permits then ok, but that all can intervene on everything is an immanent shit!

2) with the opening of this thread, I looked for a new way to use the file, a sort of cloud sharing: if you can do between different devices on the internet I do not understand why one day can not be applied to a company network.

as already reiterated, there is vault (workgroup or collaboration) that does more or less (it is to investigate better) what you need...ah already I am savant and sarcastic, so what I say is not even read.

is a technical forum this: someone asks, another if he has the skills he answers in a polite manner inherently to the asked question, avoiding allusions and judgments of the modus operandi of who asks. Thank you!

I don't think I've been rude or told anything not inherent. I simply have not been able to understand what limitations the xrifs bring to you. I remain of the idea that for the work you do (especially since we talk about 2d if not erro) xrifs would be a good way.

 

[numero1]

I throw a little sums of this endless thread.

@paolo.c, @plannerroad

thanks for the valuable tips in line with the thread topic. :smile: you have caught in the sign, (so obviously I have not explained badly my need) and I will see to deepen the speech with the vault or wait..it is a matter of time now but because functions like this are implemented on all the software!

@numero1, @marcobi, @giuseppemauro, @rpor66

1) Thank you for your concern, but you have not understood the meaning of what I meant.
we present ourselves: we are an engineering study composed of 10 technicians between electrical and thermotechnical and we have been struggling with large works to develop in ridiculous times (electrical and mechanical definitions of shopping centers to end taxally in a few days).
in these conditions, in which almost lacks time to make meetings, the necessary thing is not to waste time unnecessarily for graphic ornaments, overlaps between different types of plant, import of mechanical plants in electric boards etc.
in these cases the ability to draw multiple plants in one table in more people to avoid overlapping would allow us to save much time later.
x-rif speech: I've known them very well for years, and I don't need them specifically. Why?
because keeping the x-rifs of my colleagues inserted I would never in real time have the status of the components of the plants on the table: I should always recharge them.
Once I have seen an overlap that coincides with my component, I should verbally warn the colleague to move his part of the plant/director/indication, and then recharge the xrif and check if the move went well.
all the manphrine must be done even if to overlap are an electrical outlet with a floor fancoil, or a ceiling smoke detector with a ceiling lamp, or an air channel placed at the same altitude of an electric channel (which I could change to the flight myself and verbally make the colleague participate from the marginal modification). :angry:

2) with the opening of this thread, I looked for a new way to use the file, a sort of cloud sharing: if you can do between different devices on the internet I do not understand why one day can not be applied to a company network. work would be simplified and speeded up.
I thank you for the extreme care with which you have tried to solve the problem by listing me new operating modes (both software and internal organization of work), but our internal quality system is more than exhaustive. my question was about the software operating mode! :finger:

3) Technically how to do not know: I am not programmer, surely it is not manageable through macro, lisp or similar, it is undoubted.
But that now I can't do it with autocad I'm not sure yet, I have to verify the potential of vault. :mixed:

@tristan

the quality and usefulness of the posts is inversely proportional to the amount of sacceence, irony and sarcasm they contain.
is a technical forum this: someone asks, another if he has the skills he answers in a polite manner inherently to the asked question, avoiding allusions and judgments of the modus operandi of who asks. Thank you!

Good day to all.

I'm sorry if I insist, I know the reality you describe, but I still don't understand.
your way of working will also have pros but also cons.
that you have been listed....... and I believe in the present state these last are greater.
when you write:
"in these cases, being able to draw multiple plants in one table in more people to avoid overlapping would save us a long time later"I just feel missing .... more implants in one document, even admitting a beastly use of layers and layouts, is something to turn my head and that I have never seen.

if you have + boards, each with its plant jumps one and you have to return that plant (e.g. the pneumatic one)
If you skip your file, with all the implants in as I understand it, you have to pray to have a backup + that perfect.
otherwise...

in any case, if you do so... Let us know if and how you solve it.
Hi.