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[2¶ - progetti]

Dear friends close and far....I am pleased to share the fact that I just called the famous customer, the object of the contender, telling me that he wants to try the fdm technology for which I have so much fabricated the praises and confirmed the job!!! !
that it is true that quality pays in the end!?!? ! ?

disability

 

[Ivan1990]

Dear friends close and far....I am pleased to share the fact that I just called the famous customer, the object of the contender, telling me that he wants to try the fdm technology for which I have so much fabricated the praises and confirmed the job!!! !
that it is true that quality pays in the end!?!? ! ?

disability

Congratulations!!!:finger::finger::biggrin:

 

[ferro]

Dear friends close and far....I am pleased to share the fact that I just called the famous customer, the object of the contender, telling me that he wants to try the fdm technology for which I have so much fabricated the praises and confirmed the job!!! !
that it is true that quality pays in the end!?!? ! ?

disability

That's good.

 

[PierArg]

Dear friends close and far....I am pleased to share the fact that I just called the famous customer, the object of the contender, telling me that he wants to try the fdm technology for which I have so much fabricated the praises and confirmed the job!!! !
that it is true that quality pays in the end!?!? ! ?

disability

Hi, I'm super happy for you!:finger:

If you see most of my posts are against those who want to save at the expense of quality. If you had decided the b option you would have sold out!
In this way you would have done three negative things in one shot:

1. sputt..are your professionalism;

2. give it to the unseen people (I also call it "cancer" of the present society) who believe that the extra-economic price is to be preferred to the quality of a well done job;

3. drug market prices down.

but we want to understand that the quality is paid, c.@.z.z.o! :biggrin:


I am happy and I hope this is a sign of "awakening"

 

[29 PROGETTI]

the same happens in the laser scan market.
consortia between universities and regions that compete with private companies.
we work undergraduates at zero cost and obviously do indecent prices.
an exposed to the various procures?

I fully agree and add that the difference, given the free tampering and what else was not so marked. That sucks.

 

[2¶ - progetti]

aridajeee....eccles that come out again.. . then estimate for about 972 hours, 4,7 kg of abs and 2.7 kg of support for each piece, for a total of 2pz... I propose 8600€ total...and compared to the usual unknown I take from thief....good weekend to all!

disability

 

[IPdesign]

aridajeee....eccles that come out again.. . then estimate for about 972 hours, 4,7 kg of abs and 2.7 kg of support for each piece, for a total of 2pz... I propose 8600€ total...and compared to the usual unknown I take from thief....good weekend to all!

disability

Sorry 2p, but 972 hours work when you do it??? :biggrin:
What the hell is that?

 

[2¶ - progetti]

pieces for professional irrigation system. . ..Arab client, altogether will be 10 pieces...9/10 months work only for them...you know that they turn me?? ? ! ? !
disability

 

[MBT]

I'm sorry. I don't understand a blessed fava of rapid prototyping, but...
8600€ for 972 hours ago 8,85 €/hour!!!!
Not even a Bengalian hired black works for that figure there!

 

[2¶ - progetti]

:biggrin: Do you want the red pill or the blue one??? matrix rules!!! ...caro mbt, it is a long answer that you would deserve, probably ip design is better than me in these things....

disability

 

[MBT]

Of course, the red one, but only if he's crushed as I say...

Anyway, it wasn't controversy.
was to understand

Are the prices actually those? but consider only the "machine cost" or is there an operator who follows it?

 

[fabio70]

aridajeee....eccles that come out again.. . then estimate for about 972 hours, 4,7 kg of abs and 2.7 kg of support for each piece, for a total of 2pz... I propose 8600€ total...and compared to the usual unknown I take from thief....good weekend to all!

disability

Something doesn't fit me, too many hours, too little material, boh money.
give me some details... since we're also close.. .
fabio

 

[2¶ - progetti]

hi, then are 72 pz from 27 hours each about...135 cm3 of abs and 90 cm3 of support....you realize that they will be 10x36 = 3600 total pz, about 10 months of work...so discount large customers. . .

disability

 

[marcof]

hi, then are 72 pz from 27 hours each about...135 cm3 of abs and 90 cm3 of support....you realize that they will be 10x36 = 3600 total pz, about 10 months of work...so discount large customers. . .

disability

Intrigued I read the thread. I did not understand how you can do 972 hours of work for 8600€, regardless of whether it is man work or machine work.
Your last post has confused me more than the intermediate ones where you were talking before 2 pieces, then 10.
now the pieces are 72 for 1944 hours and then you have to take into account that the pieces will be 3600. eek:



someone who understood us something, especially how much the rapid prototyping costs, explains me?

 

[IPdesign]

I am so sorry 2¶ but this time I can only give reason to the allied company...
I don't know what you smoked, but it must be good stuff, and I want some, too:

I'm here

....972 hours, 4.7 kg of abs and 2.7 kg of support for each piece, for a total of 2pz. ....

then correct

... will be 10 pieces. .

and finally

. are 72 pz from 27 hours each about...135 cm3 of abs and 90 cm3 of support. .
... will be 10x36 = 3600 total pz

In short, first 2, then 10 and finally 3600 pz ... a crescendo of fear:biggrin:

I forgot 10x36 = 360 pz ... :biggrin:

Well, maybe tomorrow you're back, you'll explain better.

As for the hourly cost for which many have scandalized I make a note. .
a working center from 200,000 € works on average at 40/60 €/h
a 3d printer for abs that costs 1/4 of this figure must obviously be content to work at 10/15€/h
Of course if a contractor gives me work for 4 months continue where the center works 24/24 x 7gg sett.. without need for operator intervention if not to remove and put the pieces, maybe I can afford to go down to 30€ to bring home the work??

4 months = 120gg x24h/g = 2880 hours x 30€ = 86.400€ turnover

raise your hand who will refuse these days:

 

[2¶ - progetti]

I apologize, but in the heat of condensing in a few lines all the event I left out some information.
But don't forget that I'm the one who puts us back in the whole matter, in fact I didn't take the job despite the "particular" rates.
in considering the offer I have weighed a lot the continuity of the order, nowadays a customer that guarantees, of only prototyping, 9/10 months of work you get of right a particular treatment, and who tells me the contrary is not the owner of game iva....

the facts then, my client defines piece what is actually a set of 36 details, which, simultaneous, on average occupy 27 hours of printing and 225 cm3 of material, and I will not make you the distinction of the individual cmbs ....

the initial request is of 2 assemblies, therefore 36+36 pieces, but will follow another 8 assemblies to prototyping.

I knew that I was in comparison, as more and more often happens to me, with the object of the 3ad and therefore, as I said, I made a series of evaluations that I will not justify beyond.
So you think that anyway, they told me that I'm very expensive... but you're as amazed as me too!

Is it better now?

disability

 

[2¶ - progetti]

I've only seen your message now, but tell me, what would you do as an offer? ....I have already confessed, let me company

 

[PierArg]

Hello 2p

I keep not understanding.... :

Excuse me, but who took the contract as much as you proposed?

 

[IPdesign]

I've only seen your message now, but tell me, what would you do as an offer? ....I have already confessed, let me company

then, let's forget what I would do as an offer, I should evaluate all files
In principle, if it is a customer, it is always difficult for such work agencies, especially if they ventilate replicas "in the future" etc...
experience has taught me to ward. .

But if the entity is really so challenging and the customer deserves confidence then I think it should be evaluated with a different perspective.

I would ask myself: is my printer competitive on similar volumes?
What would it cost?
I remind you that the speed of work and the cost of a fortus material is not comparable to that of our elite.
from my accounts who has fortus currently on certain orders is more competitive and faster, which for the customer most often makes the difference.
I mean, if I had a fortus I don't know if it would be the case to turn it on for two half-hour pieces, the only time to bring the machine into temperature would send me out quote and work in loss, but if the job is 900 hours then it's another story.
also consider that having a 400mm table full of pieces allows a discreet saving of time.
We also want to talk about the difference in processing software?
on certain orders really allows you to have appreciable time saving.

In essence what I want to say, we don't take it too much if we lose "important" orders, rather if we can manage them.
What would happen with your usual clients? Would you have told him to wait four months?
mine already if they wait 2gg extra complain ..
Would you feel like risking your historical customers for just one new??
What if she pulls one? everything should be evaluated

Believe me, many times I'm sorry and that's obvious, but with the hymn of then maybe not all evil comes to harm.

 

[enri09]

I am so sorry 2¶ but this time I can only give reason to the allied company...
I don't know what you smoked, but it must be good stuff, and I want some, too:

I'm here



then correct


and finally


In short, first 2, then 10 and finally 3600 pz ... a crescendo of fear:biggrin:

I forgot 10x36 = 360 pz ... :biggrin:

Well, maybe tomorrow you're back, you'll explain better.

As for the hourly cost for which many have scandalized I make a note. .
a working center from 200,000 € works on average at 40/60 €/h
a 3d printer for abs that costs 1/4 of this figure must obviously be content to work at 10/15€/h
Of course if a contractor gives me work for 4 months continue where the center works 24/24 x 7gg sett.. without need for operator intervention if not to remove and put the pieces, maybe I can afford to go down to 30€ to bring home the work??

4 months = 120gg x24h/g = 2880 hours x 30€ = 86.400€ turnover

raise your hand who will refuse these days:

I agree with you about the hourly price of the machines, but sincerely I would be a little worried about such a job for two reasons:
1. How do I do with regular customers if that car is busy for 6 months?
2. What if the client doesn't pay?

I don't know about you, but I learned to distrust "too good to be true."
just a few months ago, we refused a 10,000-pz contract for three different details (total 30,000 pcs) because they would have held a car for over 3 months: we could not have faced the old orders or the new ones that would have arrived of the regular customers. In addition, you should have worked at a price close to 25€/h.

to date, however, also in the metal-mechanical field there are companies that, in spite of the accumulation of the customer or not to keep the machines firm, work undercost (or almost). we refused to go down under certain limits and we preferred to lose commute. result at a distance of six months: the customers who had found that miraculous supplier that made them pay 20% less, they all came back from us, because then they lost tens of hours in assembly in the first place because they were not punctual in deliveries, then because assemblies that with our pieces they did in a moment, they required hammered, smoothed with the flexible and blasphemies to not end.

I wish these gentlemen that they are ruining the market a quick and painless end (to expect a slow and painful agony would be to ask too much), and to all entrepreneurs and serious professionals instead I say: do not worry that seriousness and professional correctness at the end pay.