deactivate the adactivity

[braunfish]

the adactivity in inventor "lights" magically when needed. then to remove it you have to act manually, first at the sketch level, then at the level part in the axieme.
it is possible to do so that by default the adactivity does not happen, but only if I possibly decide it?

 

[stefanobruno]

the adactivity in inventor "lights" magically when needed. then to remove it you have to act manually, first at the sketch level, then at the level part in the axieme.
it is possible to do so that by default the adactivity does not happen, but only if I possibly decide it?

If you refer to a different component from what you're working on, it's clear that you start the adactivity, you need (bad) just to that!

use with fear, severely harms health.

 

[Peppe]

the adactivity in inventor "lights" magically when needed. then to remove it you have to act manually, first at the sketch level, then at the level part in the axieme.
it is possible to do so that by default the adactivity does not happen, but only if I possibly decide it?

when you project a edge hold ctrl and the projection will not be adaptive but blocked

 

[braunfish]

great peppe, exactly what I was looking for

 

[diegus]

or in application/axial tools/options remove the check from:
"habilitated projection geometry edge/line closed associative during local modeling"

In this way you don't have to remember to press ctrl when you project a edge.

 

[marcof]

"habilitated projection geometry edge/line closed associative during local modeling"
In this way you don't have to remember to press ctrl when you project a edge.

Maybe I didn't understand. explain to me what it takes, in a parametric cad, to model a part together leaning on the surrounding geometry without that what projected or designed is not then associative? would be "his death" and anyway it is at the base of the top-down modeling.

 

[cacciatorino]

Maybe I didn't understand. explain to me what it takes, in a parametric cad, to model a part together leaning on the surrounding geometry without that what projected or designed is not then associative? would be "his death" and anyway it is at the base of the top-down modeling.

It can be used to speed up modeling. with modeling (non-associative cad) I use very often the function of projecting the geometry of a face on the face of another solid as construction lines, example: perforated flange with threaded holes --> counterflange with passing holes, in a similar case you can use a face as "hole mask" for the adjacent solid. I sincerely do not go mad about the links between the parties, because I have the fixation of the reuse of the components in different axiom contexts, but maybe it's just my "psychological" limit :biggrin: that I should overcome

 

[Peppe]

Also for me it is a useful tool, always to be used with patience...... Clearly you can not think of keeping an entire study adaptive, but some workings belonging to a few parts or small assemblies you can manage well.
adactivity is not an uncontrollable evil beast of which you do not know anything, but a system of work to be used at some times and then maybe disable it.
I usually do adaptive processing then disable the adactivity only to the interested part, not to the processing and sketch, in this way if I make changes to the main processing, I just re-activate the adactivity only of the part.
so for me to use ctrl has become normal practice, since the left hand is free..... Let's use it no!

 

[marcof]

also for me is a useful tool, always to be used with patience.. .

I do not see why a fundamental function of a parametric cad should be used with patrimony. But maybe I didn't understand what this adactivity is. . .
Can you explain? so I end up breaking:smile:

 

[re_solidworks]

I do not see why a fundamental function of a parametric cad should be used with patrimony. But maybe I didn't understand what this adactivity is. . .
Can you explain? so I end up breaking:smile:

Adactivity is what in swx is called "external reference". the fact of projecting a edge generates activity on that edge.
This work methodology in inventor has always created problems for which it is avoided.
But I must tell you that inventor has a part insertion tool and together within other parts much more "to-point" than that of swx and that allows you to choose what to import.
basically one works better in one way and another in another. in the case of swx is the tool is better to work directly at the graphic level, while inventor seems better to communicate the parameters between the parts.
I have seen him do but I have not been able to replicate him, for the moment content so:tongue:

 

[arzigogolo]

Also for me it is a useful tool, always to be used with patience...... Clearly you can not think of keeping an entire study adaptive, but some workings belonging to a few parts or small assemblies you can manage well.
adactivity is not an uncontrollable evil beast of which you do not know anything, but a system of work to be used at some times and then maybe disable it.
I usually do adaptive processing then disable the adactivity only to the interested part, not to the processing and sketch, in this way if I make changes to the main processing, I just re-activate the adactivity only of the part.
so for me to use ctrl has become normal practice, since the left hand is free..... Let's use it no!

I agree, even for me, if used with granu salis, it is a tool that facilitates me and not little especially in the design phase.

Let's say that it is deciding the position of a tree in relation to other nearby mechanical components.
that if the tree crosses some fixed supports, that is already bound in their position, the shaft holes present in them, follow perfectly every single shift of the tree constraints, thus saving me from having to change each piece at a time.

It's a lot of time saving because I don't have to worry about getting the holes moving the tree and I can concentrate more on the real design.

After, as he rightly says, once I have decided the position of the mechanical component, disables the adactivity, but without deactivating it neither on the work nor on the sketches, so if I happen a tomorrow to make some other shift, the work on the various parts, being already adaptive, will move accordingly.:smile:

 

[marcof]

I agree, even for me, if used with granu salis is a tool that facilitates me and not little especially in the design phase.
Let's say that it is deciding the position of a tree in relation to other nearby mechanical components.
that if the tree crosses some fixed supports, that is already bound in their position, the shaft holes present in them, follow perfectly every single shift of the tree constraints, thus saving me from having to change each piece at a time.

It's a lot of time saving because I don't have to worry about getting the holes moving the tree and I can concentrate more on the real design.

After, as he rightly says, once I have decided the position of the mechanical component, disables the adactivity, but without deactivating it neither on the work nor on the sketches, so if I happen a tomorrow to make some other shift, the work on the various parts, being already adaptive, will move accordingly.:smile:

I understand that this adactivity is a half-mill wandering, but as external references in the assemblies are the foundations of the top-down design, I wonder with inv how this can be done with tranquility.
If I have to disable the main function that keeps me the relationship between the parts because it is to be used "parsimonia" and "cum grano salis" I expect that after a number of modifications to different components and reactivation of the adactivity then they are not all roses and flowers.
I would therefore like to understand how they can manage in axiemi inv with a minimum of complexity cone the parts built directly together on reference layout (sketch, plans, schematic parts etc) that then pilot the whole

 

[arzigogolo]

I understand that this adactivity is a half-mill wandering, but as external references in the assemblies are the foundations of the top-down design, I wonder with inv how this can be done with tranquility.
If I have to disable the main function that keeps me the relationship between the parts because it is to be used "parsimonia" and "cum grano salis" I expect that after a number of modifications to different components and reactivation of the adactivity then they are not all roses and flowers.

and in fact not always, but sometimes it happens just like that!
i.e., maybe you do a number of processing and modifications to a certain piece, then you decide to reactivate the adactivity and you realize that something went wrong.
according to my experience, this is partly due to a main factor:

after a number of times that you change a piece, you forget that certain processes are adaptive and maybe you delete or make pastries, so in the end the result is that when you reactivate the adactivity you will notice that something went wrong!

Then things don't come back. if you delete adaptive processing and then reactivate the adactivity, it is clear that something in the axieme goes to patrasso!:tongue:

I would therefore like to understand how they can manage in axiemi inv with a minimum of complexity cone the parts built directly together on reference layout (sketch, plans, schematic parts etc) that then pilot the whole

even with inventor adopts this type of approach that is called "processed by the skeleton", where the skeleton is the equivalent of the sw layout and usually consists of a guide sketch that once modified through the quotas, it also follows the modification to the part linked to it, (a classic example is the "motor of the looms" in which the profiles are hooked to the guidelines of the sketch and change to the sketch).
are two different ways of working both valid, but according to me, each applicable to the type of assembly that must be modeled, that is precisely frames or pipe paths for the skeleton assemblies and the adactivity for all other types of assemblies.

 

[braunfish]

I imagine you're talking about the "derive" command that in inventor seems to me a very solid instrument

 

[rizzifrizzi]

I think it seems to me the only function that inventor has to insert parts where you can scrlier what to import. I think that knowing how to use it saves a lot of time and effort. if you use it for what you use it? told me the seller of the program that you use it only when you start modeling like the crude of a mold but did not convince me according to me has many outlets.. like even when you want to vefere the various steps of processing a production process. At least I think even if I never tried. for now I only used it as a skeleton of a hopper as suggested by someone on qst forum.
are all interesting topics. I'd like to know how well the profits are. and above all find someone who shoves me explain well how to use adaptivity.
It is with these tools that I think the turning point between knowing how to use the program and using it only to create solids.
ii unfortunately not having colleagues who know how to use it I miss the direct comparison that helps to grow and understand much faster.
Then there are things that I understand
for es in the adactivity because if together I project a corner of a part does it yellow and if I project its axis or plan makes it black blocked? should always be adaptive like any face edge? It still creates me not a few cases so I end up using it just when I can do without it and apoena gives me mistakes I turn it off.. and leave me the part with the blue exclamation point.
then goes to the ball every time you replace him a profile from the center content because obviously mostly loses references. last in a simple axiemino all in which there were among 10 parts also 2 angle profiles and I had done tt very adaptive because I knew I should be able to change often (I had tried and worked everything in the various tests) but at the first occasion I had to change it really for other reasons it became necessary to support the two angles to equal sides with angle profiles to different sides (among other always iso)
I don't just have to do it. .
I've lost so much time that I would have put less to do it without any adactivity.
has so many dark inventor sides as for example also the association in the views. to what it still serves me is all but clear. I don't think it changes anything.