simulation on heavy carpentry

[Sanifluido]

good production to all:wink:

work in a heavy carpentry company and we are looking for a
program that allows us to make simulations and possible
installation presentations of structures (megacapannoni, bridges, stadiums
etc.); especially in the offer. of course we already have
specific program for modeling (tekla) so we look for something
of relatively cheap but simple and fast to use. It would normally start with a dressing and then simulate.
Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions?

 

[frank]

good production to all:wink:

work in a heavy carpentry company and we are looking for a
program that allows us to make simulations and possible
installation presentations of structures (megacapannoni, bridges, stadiums
etc.); especially in the offer. of course we already have
specific program for modeling (tekla) so we look for something
of relatively cheap but simple and fast to use. It would normally start with a dressing and then simulate.
Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions?

Bye.

if you are on offer you will have at most unifilari models, without knots. or you have developed some typical knots. thinking about preparing videos is definitely very honorable but not impossible.
you may be more detailed on the level of accuracy and information to show in these presentations and which system you would like to use (video, static rendering, technical drawings)
the presentation must be generic (i.e. the same for each offer) or do you want to model the real offer structure?

Hi.
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[Sanifluido]

for large structures we normally have much more than just unifilare. Usually the simulations we make them in phase of advanced offer but cmq also serve on offer won. We would also want video because it makes us better aware. rendering is nice on sites or in business presentations, but in technical office we do little)
Some simulations have already made it with mechanical 3d modelers.
I was interested in knowing if there are other softwear that allow me to do the same thing.

 

[frank]

I was interested in knowing if there are other softwear that allow me to do the same thing.

specific modelers for metal structures are born for the constructive design pushed. tekla is perhaps the closest one to being used to make presentations, but still we are very far away. tekla allows to export surely in many formats that can be acquired for the purpose but the huge number of elements (no matter what to see with the hundreds of parts manageable with a mechanical cad) make it difficult to use for cinematisms.
If I understand these videos you need in the technical office. and not to present to some inexperienced to mount the situation. It sounds like a countersensus, but maybe I got it wrong. for my experience the staff of the technical office immediately understands on 2 views in two-dimensional if there are problems of handling and laying.

Hi.
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[Sanifluido]

I agree with you that modelers like tekla are for the constructive drawings pushed and prorpio for this are not indicated to make simulations.
Even in the technical office they serve simulations if the structure to be mounted is not the classic structure or the system is not something standard or if there are numerous constraints to be respected, I do not know if I explained.
cmq the simulations serve otherwise then in the yard you find yourself with more problems than normally already there are.
cmq back to the speech juice do you have any idea if there are programs, besides you have mechanics, making videos and simulations in our field?
3dmax is too complex to use it has too many functions that we do not need.


Incidentally mechanical 3d modelers manage millions and millions of elements and if the "non-ordinary" carpentry considered them, we designers would do much less effort (however this is only my opinion)

 

[frank]

Incidentally mechanical 3d modelers manage millions and millions of elements and if the "non-ordinary" carpentry considered them, we designers would do much less effort (however this is only my opinion)

My help for the presentations stops here, unfortunately. Let's see if some less mechanical technicians and more expert simulations come alive.

Instead I ask you to explain to me this thing about the millions and millions of pieces managed by mechanical software. as much as I could see in my experience, mechanics are not useful to structures just for the amount of managed elements. often the bullions are the real tragedy.

Hi.
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[cris74]

hi sanfluido
we also use tekla in my study
for your question I don't know if it can help you but they tell me that with 4d cinema you can do good work starting from tekla but I have no experience.
I've seen you're from the veins. I'm from a lonesome.
If you want to, and you can tell me in private if you want, where do you work?
by curiosity and why you never know
Hi.
ps hello frank

 

[frank]

...because you never know

You never know! :smile:

 

[re_solidworks]

I agree with you that modelers like tekla are for the constructive drawings pushed and prorpio for this are not indicated to make simulations.
Even in the technical office they serve simulations if the structure to be mounted is not the classic structure or the system is not something standard or if there are numerous constraints to be respected, I do not know if I explained.
cmq the simulations serve otherwise then in the yard you find yourself with more problems than normally already there are.
cmq back to the speech juice do you have any idea if there are programs, besides you have mechanics, making videos and simulations in our field?
3dmax is too complex to use it has too many functions that we do not need.


Incidentally mechanical 3d modelers manage millions and millions of elements and if the "non-ordinary" carpentry considered them, we designers would do much less effort (however this is only my opinion)

My help for the presentations stops here, unfortunately. Let's see if some less mechanical technicians and more expert simulations come alive.

Instead I ask you to explain to me this thing about the millions and millions of pieces managed by mechanical software. as much as I could see in my experience, mechanics are not useful to structures just for the amount of managed elements. often the bullions are the real tragedy.

Hi.
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I'd say he's in the middle. you can certainly manage several thousand components without too many problems, I have made some big structure with solidworks, it was not a walk but the structure was quite complex as it had to copy a large facade of a 3d scenography for an amusement park. to give an idea the size was about 60 meters basic, 10 meters deep and 22 meters high.
in total the model was composed of about 18000 components for a total of 5600 construction drawings issued (among details, welded and axiemi).
the structure in question would not have been manageable in tekla since, from what they told me, the peculiarity of the nodes would have prevented the correct output step for the cam of several profiles.
why this difference, both from the output point of view and from the performance point of view? from what I understood tekla does not generate 3d mathematics like mechanics, but generates a 3d unifilare to which it combines profile info and an aspect that looks more like a 3dmax model than a mechanical model. at the end for the user seems the same thing, but for the cpu it is not really, the volumes weigh on the performance.

for the interactive document and the display of the models is not bad 3dvia composed, but ribs a lot, not that busget you thought and if you center your expectations, you can find viedo online to realize what it does.
is a software created to make manual, so it should go.
I also mention inventor publisher (less performing and less expensive) and ptc abortext.

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