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[mackly46]

Dear users:bekle:and community members, you will be asked many times what choice to make towards the future in designing both as an employee and as a freelancer! You know it's a chain of doubts that don't lead to anything, and that I'm bringing back with frustration and mortification, because in fact I'm looking for an optimal courageous situation lived with passion and want to grow in an ideal working situation! companies here don't invest on the employee! Here!
I've been looking good enough to decide the best software for my future, I've tested to a good level pro.e wf4 and I've found myself well to say! even if he's a modelling carabiniere! Let's say it's better to use it as a solid modeler! Oh at least I feel a little too bound in that environment!! I was not enjoying the current policy of the ptc (while now with the new university platform I've been requoted as far as my estimate is concerned), i.e. no copies are distributed for the evaluation if not to 30 days, and in any case the courses actually
they enter an insurmountable niche that sometimes really made me lose interest. Blessed are they in America who get all the video lessons in language, tutorials and dispenses and anything else available to a 16-year-old high school student, while we get all in the mother tongue and the courses cost madness! !
the same sermon I want to dedicate also in particular to the summit and nx .e catia, in which I did not find accessible their proposal cad, nowhere, from no university , and in no course accessible to a poor Christian!:mixed:I want to say but have you seen what platform did autodesk?? What are we talking about? :that is, the keywords to start an approach have found them! and are not propio the last eheh!
free software
learning
support
showcase design
Sustainability:finger:
community
webinar

I mean, do you realize how much it takes to form a person from scratch on a platform? ? new?
What do you mean don't give a license?? I mean, what do you think a person in a month learns the 280 modules of the cat? That's a software that for every comma not to say worse, does a 16-hour course... but to do it... I would almost aim to send everything to the air, I got tired!! and to entrust myself to autodesk and to its platform of shared projects , showcase projects , cases of study ,community, lessons , e-learning, etc...ecc ' as does' one in Italy if there is no center if not to pay for a stratospherical fee of some euro! It's humiliating to see a little boy of just 16 years old only x who's American to have access to the most powerful cads in the industry for free, tutorials, and every degree of design or engineering he respects, as for the rest here??? Is the polytechnic of torino in your opinion c-?? Modena? I'm sorry. Why does no one adopt these software that are among the most popular in the industry?
Thank you very much, thank you in advance who will take care of and lose time to the part of the discussion! !
good design! Oh what's left of us!

 

[Tequila]

I do not understand whether this discussion is a personal outburst or a comparison between software.

the cad if you ask the sellers give you licenses in test 30-45 days (solid edge is 45 days), just time to evaluate them. Courses are obviously paid, if you want them free is a little difficult, at least I so far have not found anyone who works for free for others.

If you use educational software you can apply for the teaching license, I did it for solid edge last year to test it at home, specifying on the form that I am not a student and the license they sent it to me anyway.

 

[mackly46]

I do not understand whether this discussion is a personal outburst or a comparison between software.

Forgive me, call it a total outburst or sclero... but it's a real problem of which I'm banging my nose, with far-reaching light and real opportunities for training on these software!


the cad if you ask the sellers give you licenses in test 30-45 days (solid edge is 45 days), just time to evaluate them. Courses are obviously paid, if you want them free is a little difficult, at least I so far have not found anyone who works for free for others.


excuse but you really believe that a software like catia,pro and, nx you can learn to understand it first, solid modeling; placed at the table; animation;sketch; hybrid modeling; cinematic; mold flow and notice in 1 month and a half as you say, is it the software that does x me????(heading it in time lost while working or studying or lost time??? then congratulations x you! :finger:
but I'm sorry but then I'm just the one who sees positions with 5 years of experience behind them? with specific modules behind?? or are you changing software how to go to the dealer? ?
I'm sorry I don't want to be aggressive, but a software like pro-e, but if you learn it 6 months... get to an entry level profile. .

If you use educational software you can apply for the teaching license, I did it for solid edge last year to test it at home, specifying on the form that I am not a student and the license they sent it to me anyway.

I'm sorry but you can't compare me solid edge (the intuitive utilitarian beautiful volkswagen)to say...a racing sling....conosco solid edge...mi vien da ridi
that I learned it without guidance, pro-e mintra after 2 courses of 3i + 3 and left out for other professional outlets with other software...to think now in front... I panic!!like I was a neophyte...

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

I do not understand whether this discussion is a personal outburst or a comparison between software.

I didn't even understand. weird Christmas rashes? :smile:

 

[mackly46]

:bekle:I want to say bonaria...... but now in the time of sharing. ..internet, social network , total accessibility to education , crisis , projects in sharing, contest design, sustainability, interactive community like this and many others, showcase gallery , education webinar , platforms e-learning, tutorials from all over the world, where it is no longer a problem to have , but know how to do and the component time($$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ What bond is to give a software to learn it, when you know that your chicken (client) once formed, grown, he will buy you courses on courses, and finally the definitive license if he wants to be a free professional... but then...why all these mental stakes????? ? ? ? ?

 

[flaviobrio88]

I think he's saying that some software houses behave differently than in Italy, denouncing the fact that abroad e-learning courses are free as stations that let you try while here in Italy you pay everything.

(I think)

 

[mackly46]

I didn't even understand. weird Christmas rashes? :smile:

ahha...can be challenged....but to me after I bought 3 annual student licenses paid the beauty of 130 € :bekle: cadauna....of pro-e,a solid edge....you know how'...ehhehehehe----.when from autodesk you can also download the whole company...and it's not end to itself...but you can also play in the game . .

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

But... I have some doubt that from other parts it is all free, for any software house, it is found very free around the web today it is just as true that it is found much more in English but it is also normal I would say, there is little to scandalize to my modest opinion, there are 850 million people who speak it against 70-100 Italian, it is not discrimination but simply a normal fact.
Is it also unthinkable to believe that you find everything free, there are people who work and are paid to make training a certain level, should they do it free?

 

[mackly46]

I think he's saying that some software houses behave differently than in Italy, denouncing the fact that abroad e-learning courses are free as stations that let you try while here in Italy you pay everything.

(I think)

thanks fabio!!! of the collaboration! :finger:

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

ahha...can be challenged....but to me after I bought 3 annual student licenses paid the beauty of 130 € :bekle: cadauna....of pro-e,a solid edge....you know how'...ehhehehehe----.when from autodesk you can also download the whole company...and it's not end to itself...but you can also play in the game . .

It is not that autodesk is so much higher end than solidedge. . .

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

ps: after the office I think that autodad was the most cracked product in the world and much of its spread on the market was thanks to this.. but what are we talking about?

 

[mackly46]

I mean, now it's no longer a problem to have, but to know how to do and the time component/($$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ What bond is to give a software to learn it, when you can learn to a certain level always basic... why then here's the jump you do with the tutor, but that's where I want you? If one is happy to use it like me, and learn it.. .after I bought 3 student licenses, up to wf4, total 390€ I gave to the ptc already, i.e. now I want to learn creo no? Do you think I still have patience to learn the moduletti?? And go buy it again? (other than 130 euros) or if once I have understood the validity of the software/work offer....I quickly search for an advancement course. . .
I mean, it's not like someone wakes up in the morning, and after a 30-day trial, it's like a pro-and wild chill user. On...

Do you know that your chicken (client) once trained, grown, he will buy you courses on courses, and finally the final license if he wants to be a free professional... but then...why all these mental stakes in buying a demo license???? ? ?

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

but look I understand your scoring big, but I don't share it in the sense that we take your example on pro/e wf4.
if you know how to use it and you also know how to use some extensions, I say some just because it is impossible to know how to use it all well and it doesn't even make sense, I don't see all mental pipps to propose you in a hypothetical company that uses create 2.0, basically it's always the same thing, it's not that you have to remake all the courses of all the modules, once you learn the new interface graphics and possibly need to refresh

 

[mackly46]

ps: after the office I think that autodad was the most cracked product in the world and much of its spread on the market was thanks to this.. but what are we talking about?

I am not a fanatic of self-desk, except when he bought alias, and 3d max, other various.. .
But now it's very unlikely that their approach is... I must say that it's really reset to 1000x1000 ...that I would like to point out that that model of culture, training that is promoting self-desk, is now a standard....ptc ,catia, solid works; solid edge , nx; will not find it anymore so many chickens like me... and no one will spend more money. what title and recognition?? We know that the certification on the course is important....that is, if you do me the peppe srl virtual cad:...that is...(with all respect) ahah what comes out?? What is it? I mean, we realize... how long does it take to pull out a good 0 designer? ?
In any case, here I say... Autodesk will take only because he adopted this revolutionary new method. . . interactive and I say an accessible word to everyone....
He's gonna take 50% more market share, and I'm happy.

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

I am not a fanatic of self-desk, except when he bought alias, and 3d max, other various.. .
But now it's very unlikely that their approach... I have to say that it's really reset to 1000x1000... that I would like to point out that that model of culture, training that is promoting self-desk, is now a standard....ptc will no longer find so many chickens like me... and no one will spend more money to get like me 3 student licenses.... but then that what title and recognition?? We know that the certification on the course is important....that is, if you do me the peppe srl virtual cad:...that is...(with all respect) ahah what comes out?? What is it? I mean, we realize... how long does it take to pull out a good 0 designer? ?
In any case, here I say... Autodesk will take only because he adopted this revolutionary new method. . . interactive and I say an accessible word to everyone....
He's gonna take 50% more market share, and I'm happy.

on this dissent completely, but each one has its meters of judgment, good luck for your choice if you want to consider yourself a chicken because you bought a license... It is not always a question of money, I for example spent money also for language courses, cooking, art and culture, photography, I never felt a chicken, indeed... all things that increase my culture and that I find it right to pay, because they give me a service, if you think that a valid designer gets out of a cad and from a piece of printed paper because you did courses (on any cad), in my opinion you are completely off the road, that is only a tool that allows you to facilitate your work, but if you can not distinguish a tolerance from a sharp break.. Well, goodbye...

 

[mackly46]

but look I understand your scoring big, but I don't share it in the sense that we take your example on pro/e wf4.
if you know how to use it and you also know how to use some extensions, I say some just because it is impossible to know how to use it all well and it doesn't even make sense, I don't see all mental pipps to propose you in a hypothetical company that uses create 2.0, basically it's always the same thing, it's not that you have to remake all the courses of all the modules, once you learn the new interface graphics and possibly need to refresh

You're right! The hypothetical company should take courses, and that's all. .
If you find it in the really top phase of investment type (spa)! but look at me it's also good that I take the guide and I study alone, it is obviously because of the fact not departed from scratch....but the weight of starting again a little is weighing me... I would say that from what I see...the open positions are for figures at my age..quasi to stellar profiles. ..that's years of experience behind the specific cad!! Catia + icem surfing??? According to you a module like icem you learn with a 30-day demo? Anyway, it's the software that one can't have at home when he works or studies! !
but in my case, or in the case of a boy like me....8 years ago'...when there was...the old version pro / engineer wildfire r 2.0 or the old pro / engineer r 2000i 2 2000 , a little compared as I create and create 2 say...... why not encourage it in the cad platform as I was looking at.....when at the end, now I have to buy everything?? again? ? or for a new user must take the route all at full expense? ?
I understand what you're saying that you don't need the software... for whom engineer is a tool like the calculator... so give him an anthropomorphic robot... or a shuttle for him is the same... but the real parameter is the experience. .
But I tell you, eheh! It's a burden.
'Cause maybe you're out in full grades. Mechanical degrees.
Barbeque little girl. behind... 26-year-old with six years of catechism:...maybe it's still difficult to read overall... of a certain size and difficulty...eheh... company xxyyzzz... search for designer ....the candidate...
search neolaureato...or perito.... for auto mold designer with fluent knowledge of the catiav5 program, automotive sector.better if with experience....no? ?
Who chooses two? ?

 

[flaviobrio88]

In my opinion you make a bit of confusion, I am not a graduate and can guarantee that I have little to learn in the cad sector from any graduate with 110 and praise, at least for what I make sheet molds, and anyway I can assure you that in this field you never end up learning, always be behind new technologies.

 

[Tequila]

I'm not quoting anything but doing a general summary on the fly.

1) if in use fortunately have this mentality of the spreading aggratis of the training, blessed them, try to see to transfer you so you will get everything free.
2) autocad as ozzy said is the most crakkato program, if you find yourself well working with the good 2d for you, if you pass to the 3d programs are not free, always you do not use illegal ways to get them.
3) I have made the example of solid edge, because it is what I use, but if you want to put on the other also no problem, politics is always the same, are programs made by people who work like you and me, who have to live, pay the mortgage of the house, the expense etc. so they do not work for free and therefore have a cost sized to the potential of the program.
same thing for those who teach you to use it, or find some pious soul that teaches you aggratis everything, or look for online what you find for free, or you pay to have something done by people who work to live. of some you find manuals in bookstores, you see inventor or solidworks, but to what I find they are also paid there, always that someone for Christmas don't give you them.
4) schools (superiors and universities) have been adopting cad programs for academic use for some years, have a symbolic cost and students usually come free. but they are only for academic use.
5) high-end cads such as catia and nx do not learn in 30 days, are complex and complete tools and used by the largest automotive, aerospace industries, etc. the ability to draw a plate even on these is only a drop on the ocean of things that can do, having knowledge of everything free is utopia.
6) if as you say autodesk will take 50% or deserve 90% good for you... I only repeat that this thread is useless.
If you become aware of why the autodesk is free and others are not, ask directly to the major siemens, dassault, ptc, etc. here of the forum more to tell you that we do not work for free because, as in point 3, we have to pay for living, we do not know what to tell you.

Maybe let me know if when you get software+training+hardware all aggratis if you work for free as well, so if I need a hand to design something, I know I can rely on a person whose cost is zero.

 

[Tequila]

You're right! The hypothetical company should take courses, and that's all. .
If you find it in the really top phase of investment type (spa)! but look at me it's also good that I take the guide and I study alone, it is obviously because of the fact not departed from scratch....but the weight of starting again a little is weighing me... I would say that from what I see...the open positions are for figures at my age..quasi to stellar profiles. That's years of experience behind the specific cad!

If you are weighing on having to study continuously even at an advanced age, try to create a pin to insert behind your neck as in matrix, so you can also say: tank, charge jump program... opss cad program

 

[mackly46]

In my opinion you make a bit of confusion, I am not a graduate and can guarantee that I have little to learn in the cad sector from any graduate with 110 and praise, at least for what I make sheet molds, and anyway I can assure you that in this field you never end up learning, always be behind new technologies.

I say.. that chooses the expert with behind 6 years of experience in a platform like catia but to the great, perhaps with knowledge of the delmia prismatic machining fundamentals (mtm), enovia engineering central essentials of the genus for example ....say therefore I do not propio an entry level...ehehe. obvious if then the bond is not the fluent language aha! another problem...rineheh...:bigg