but the honor?

[Exatem]

you have to pay any price for the right to keep our flag high.It's not like it's savior crew and maximum latorre are two riflemen of the battalion san marco (impropriately called “moro”), arrested in India on 19 February last year and currently at the center of a diplomatic “war” between Italy and India; let's see how the events took place...
on the evening of 15 February 2012 two Indian fishermen, valentine jalstine and ajesh binki, are killed by gunshots on their boat off the coast of the kerala. on the same day, the Italian navy announces that a pirate attack by two of the six military embarked on anti-piracy service aboard the tanker enrica lexie. the two soldiers opened fire on what, according to their reconstruction, looked like a “skiffie”, the boat generally used by pirates in the Indian Ocean to assault commercial boats.
the next day, 16 February, on request of the Indian Coast Guard, the commander of the Italian oil tanker enters the port of kochi officially for the identification of some pirates suspected of being the assailants of our ship. here the two military are accused of killing two fishermen, accusing that it is immediately rejected stating that only warning shots were fired as provided by the rules of engagement. on 19 February the authorities of the kerala took from the oil tanker the two Italians who are stopped, questioned and, placed in a "guest house" of the police. According to the accusation the two Indian fishermen, traded for pirates, would have been killed by the fire of our military.
From the outset, the Italian authorities provide legal assistance and material support to the two military, while the undersecretary of foreign staff is sent to follow the story on the spot.
at the end of February the foreign minister also arrives india, first to new delhi, and then to kochi, to meet latorre and group.
According to our country the accident occurred in the open sea, off the Indian state of the kerala with the two marò in anti-piracy service on an oil tanker (we will see later what this means), the enrica lexie and the india has no jurisdiction on the case since the ship was in international waters.

already in this preliminary phase are the first disagreements between the Indian and the Italian version. According to the Italian reconstruction, publicly supported by various representatives of the Italian government as well as by the authorities of the Italian Navy, the firefight would have occurred at 33 nautical miles from the coasts of the keral and therefore, not in Indian territorial waters but in international waters and this is perhaps the most important data and I will try to explain it.
According to international standards and conventions of international maritime law still in force (in particular the 1982 Montego Bay Convention), this would exclude Indian competence in the management of investigations. but the india reclaims its jurisdiction over the incident stating that the shooting would still happen in a marine space included within 200 maritime miles, or in full "exclusive economic zone" (zee) Indian.
but the zee gives the state that demands its exclusivity, only full management of natural resources, jurisdiction in the matter of installation and use of artificial or fixed structures, scientific research, protection and conservation of the marine environment. Moreover, if the figure of 33 miles is confirmed, this would also exclude the Indian call to the so-called “continuous zone”, or within the 24 miles on which the coastal state may claim not already sovereign rights, but only control rights on the ships in transit, aimed at preventing or repressing infringements to its customs, tax, health or immigration laws.

we see the other profound differences. According to Italy the shots fired would be twenty, all exploded in full respect of the rules of engagement, i.e. blows in air followed by shots in water, towards a boat carrying 5 armed people. the reconstruction of the Indian authorities instead describes a scenario for which the shots would have been over 60, shot from board of the Italian ship in Indian territorial waters killing the two fishermen, one native of the kerala and the other of the tamil nadu, on board of a vessel, st. anthony.

a second substantial divergence is on the time of events. comforted by some photos taken by Italian soldiers, the armed confrontation would take place at 16,00 local time to which he followed a report sent in Italy at 16,30. According to the Indians, however, the shooting would take place two hours later that is, at the same time, another action of piracy always occurred in those waters. to deny the Indian Coast Guard that the return to the port of the fishing boat with the two dead fishermen takes place at 18.00 there are television pictures showing how dark pesto (in that period the sun sets at 18.35). a false attempt to cover the fact that the vessel was elsewhere, not near the enrica lexie.
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[Exatem]

last but perhaps more important; the first ballistic examination carried out on the vessel has evidenced that the shots fired towards the small Indian born came from a boat of the same height (a few meters, maximum four for which almost horizontal trajectories of the bullets) while the bridge of the oil tanker enrica lexie, from where the marò would open the fire, is located about forty meters from the sea level (then with an impact angle of the bullets well different). already this should be enough to exonerate the two maròs of the san marco not to mention the differences on the caliber of the bullets. . .
the autopsy carried out by professor sisikala recovered a 0.54 inch caliber bullet equivalent to a 13mm i.e. a caliber practically nonexistent today. but it is probably a bad attempt to confuse, in fact sisikala should have correctly expressed the measurements as expected, i.e., caliber and length in mm. in this case should have written caliber 7,62x31mm and this would have closed the case since it is a Soviet 7,63x54r bullet shot by the Russian pk machine gun. nothing to do with the 5,56x45 born, only shot cartridge both of the beretta ar70/90 and of the minimum fn, the only weapons supplied to our military.
Therefore it is from February 16 that the Indians know that the caliber does not correspond and this malafede explains why the competent court of the Indian region of the kerala denied the presence of the carabinieri ris of the carabinieri as experts of part during the ballistic expert whose purpose was to compare the bullets found in the bodies of the Indian victims with the weapons seized on the enrica lexie.
It is quite perplexed that local authorities have pronounced themselves negatively towards autopsies. for any court, in fact, there is absolutely no need for the treasury regarding the path of the bullets, the evaluations on the entry and exit holes, the quality and quantity of the wounds infert, the possible bullets still present inside, to determine the responsibilities.
in addition to the “mysteries” connected to the dynamics and modes of the firefighting, there is another hierarchical nature: the Italian military navy, informed of the incident, had manifested its opposition to the command of the enrica lexiè regarding the Indian requests of entry into port of kochi of the oil tanker and on the descent to the ground of the military, two orders apparently escaped from the command of the oil tanker, why?
all this included in a “environment” in which every time Italy is called into question in relations with new delhi, the media tend to overestimate events because of the Italian origins of the current president of the congress party, the powerful sonia gandhi, whose “non-indianity” is often in the political view of Hindu nationalists and not only.
In spite of the accusation system, the two marò latorre and girone were still under arrest accused of murder, charge that exposes the two men of the “san marco” to life or even to the death penalty.
on 5 March the court of kollam has transferred it to judicial custody in the prison of trivandrum, capital of the federal state of the kerala of the two military. on de mistura intervention, the two Italians are locked in a separate structure from the other prisoners.
on April 3 latorre and group are questioned in the trivandrum prison where they answer a written questionnaire but not to questions addressed to them by the pollutants.
in mid-April the kollam court establishes that the preventive prison of the detainees in India must be extended until 30 April, although on 20 April the Indian Supreme Court admits the appeal of the Italian government on the jurisdiction of the affair.
In mid-May, the prosecution for murder, attempted murder, damage, criminal association arrives.
on May 25 the two soldiers leave the prison of trivandrum and are transferred to a structure prepared for them to kochi, the borstal school.
on 30 May they are granted freedom on bail with the ban on leaving kochi.
at the end of August the supreme court initiates the debate on the Italian appeal to establish jurisdiction on the case.
on 14 December the two marò ask to go to Italy for Christmas holidays, allowed by the court of kerala.
after ten months spent under arrest in India on December 22, the two Italian military returned home with the obligation to return by January 10 in India while the judge had deposited a deposit of 60 thousand rupees (equal to 826 thousand euros), to provide the police with their addresses, mobile phones and a detailed account of their movements during their stay in Italy.
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[Exatem]

shortly after their landing to camp the two seas are contacted by telephone from the president of the council who, reiterates the government's commitment to a definitive solution of the case, and in the afternoon they are received to the quirinal.
after having spent the holidays in the family, on January 3 latorre and tour depart from roma at the time of the india. "Let us return to India by respecting the word given, confident in justice," the two military states. and the two in fact returned, even with a couple of days in advance on the last date between the compliments of the Indian press for the loyalty demonstrated. their return is welcomed also by the head of diplomacy of new delhi: "has consolidated the climate of great mutual trust already existing between Italy and India", says Salman khurshid in a telephone conversation with the foreign minister.
on 18 January the Indian Supreme Court ruled that the Kerala government has no jurisdiction to intervene in the case and has the trial to be entrusted to a special tribunal to new delegates. the judgment underlines that the facts occurred in international waters and that it will be up to a special tribunal to determine whether the jurisdiction on the case is Italian or Indian. the two Italian riflemen are brought to new delhi, under the protection of the Italian embassy.
on 22 February latorre e girone get a second four-week license to go to Italy on the occasion of the elections also because after the elections in kerala, the local policy no longer rode the case.

then the news that the two military will not return india at the expiration of the permit.

the Italian decision had actually matured for a long time but of course had the effect of a surprise when it was communicated by the Italian ambassador to the Indian government. the two maros will not return india.
the decision was taken in agreement with the ministries of defence and justice and in coordination with the Presidency of the Council of Ministers taking into account the india. the "chief ministri" of the kerala, oommen chandy, has harshly criticized the decision of the Italian defining it "unacceptable" and has unleashed the anger of the fishermen of the kerala who feel "imbroiled" from Italy while the Indian government expects that the Italian respects the commitment made for their return to the Indian supreme court and declares firmly not to share the position represented by the Italian government on the return. Therefore the Italian ambassador was summoned by the Undersecretary to the Foreigners who sent him the position of the Indian government in the most categorical terms. "the Italian government was obliged to ensure their return to India within the established period as provided for in the order of the supreme court."
the defence minister agrees with the decision not to bring the two soldiers back: “It is the decision that has taken the government, so I have also contributed and I fully recognize myself.”
the two soldiers remain enrolled in the register of investigations for voluntary murder by the roma Prosecutor, who confirmed that he had not received an answer from the india regarding the results required for ballistic examinations and autopsies.
a curiosity: the two riflemen are without a passport as "married" from the kollam court and to be able to bring them back the embassy to new dheli issued two provisional permits.

In this context, we now see what world organizations do, as they do.

the decision not to bring back the maro india is not a "use of force" but a unilateral action against a country that is violating international law even if this will not facilitate a rapid settlement of the dispute. In practice it is more than a year that the india is taking us by the ass, infschiandosene of international law and, more serious, in the indifference of onu, born and, unclos. Europe should have supported us, it is the same international right to demand that our soldiers be judged in Italy having acted in a military protection function for the benefit of an Italian ship, which in compliance with the UN Convention of 2/12/2004, protects the military even if the fact had happened in Indian waters.
the ue by voice of the high representative of the foreign policy of the ue catherine ashton "takes note of the declaration of the third minister" and, " hopes that a solution is found in full respect of the convention on the right of the sea and international laws, for obvious reasons I can say very little. we are in contact with the Italian government, with the Italian ambassador in India and with our ambassador. interviews between Italy and India are ongoing and we must see how they go.”

Recently the Indian position seems to have “ammorbid”. the Indian foreign minister, preaches caution and in a television interview on the reactions to Italy after the failure to return the marò, warned that the line lasts would involve "sacrifici" also for new delhi.
“The decisions cannot be taken in the void, we must look at all the implications, the intensity of the relations of the past and the attitude of the other countries. every decision also involves sacrifices. if you take a position, you must be ready to pay the price.”

Thus, an international dispute has been formally opened with the india in which it is recalled that ''italia has always felt that the conduct of Indian authorities infringed international law obligations, in particular the principle of immunity from the jurisdiction of the organs of the foreign state and the rules of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (unclos) of 1982''.

Italy now proposes to resolve the dispute with “an international arbitration or judicial resolution”. the novelty, compared to the first permit, is that the india would not have responded to the request to seek together a diplomatic solution and that therefore the Italian government believes that it is “a controversy with the india”. and so the foreign minister has communicated that "the jurisdiction is Italian. we are available to find solutions with international india. Meanwhile our marò remain in Italy”.

We now come to lesser known aspects but perhaps explain why we have come to the present situation.

the TV “all news” Indian cnn-ibn wonders whether it is really a case that yesterday the government of new delhi received from the Italian government material regarding the alleged bribes paid for the commission of 12 helicopters of the agusta westland to Indian aviation.
in February, note the broadcaster, the foreign minister salman khurshid said: “The Italian government asked us to intervene but it was not possible, in the same way that it was not for them to do something for our request for Finmeccanica documents”.
but lately the Italian government has ceded, sending a first part of documents to India on the story of helicopters. The question is now whether the Indian government has also given up on the subject of the Marò and allowed them to stay at home...
because as always, in everything, the economic interests that bind india and Italy must be evaluated.
these are far from marginal and indeed, they play a very important role on mediations. are about 400 Italian companies present in India. among them some of the major Italian business realities: fiat, piaggio, group finmeccanica, electronics and fincantieri, magnets marelli, pirelli, new holland, carraro, ferrero, lavazza, perfect van melle, luxottica, benetton, coin, italcementi, tecnimont, prysmian, techint, stmicroelectronics...
to these great fears are added a myriad of small and medium-sized enterprises attracted by the Indian continent.
Italy is currently the fourth trading partner of India among EU countries, and despite this, the existing development margins for penetration of our goods on the Indian market are still enormous. This arouses the interest of people within or close to governments able to fly certain contracts and certain orders. It cannot be ruled out that india there are a number of subjects who have an interest in failing business, in particular certain affairs, with Italy to favour other countries.
the reality is that the Indian Supreme Court has put us more than four months to decide not to decide. the sentence has established that to process for the murder of two fishermen the two riflemen will not be the court of kerala because the facts have happened in international waters. for the Indian judges the Italian jurisdiction could not be recognized because, in their opinion, latorre and group "did not enjoy the sovereign immunity" in the exercise of their military service functions armed with protection and security duties on board the merchant enrica lexie.
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[Exatem]

Italian sources have reported that the supreme court has given mandate to examine the affair in the light of article 100 of the unclos, the convention of the UN on the right to navigation, on the duty to cooperate in the repression of piracy. the article previews that '' all states cooperate to the maximum in the repression of piracy in the high sea or in any other place outside the jurisdiction of any state'.
the establishment of an ad hoc tribunal perhaps represents the attempt of Indian justice to "pass" the management of the delicate question to politics since the judges have emphasized that the special tribunal will be constituted thanks to the coordination between the court itself and the Indian government.
perhaps the military tribunal of roma could issue a limiting measure for the two marches, claiming its competence on the facts. this would have achieved the purpose of keeping soldiers in Italy without engaging the government in an action that can be questioned.
the positive aspect is that latoring and wandering are subtracted to the court of the kerala, where between rigged trials or artifacts and unreliable evidence the condemnation of the two military would probably be granted.

the story appears extremely nebulaous and twisted and the true reasons probably escape but still remains the institutional void, lack of coordination and the world indifference in which Italy has found itself to have to act reminding us that the pirates are not peaceful fishermen but are cruel bandits accustomed to shooting, even well with remarkable equipment of weapons and ammunition.

according to kim petersen, councillor for American maritime safety: “the escalation of diplomatic tensions between Italy and India is the daughter of an institutional vacuum of which the united nations are responsible. the decision of the Italian government on the rifles of the san marco is understandable because the idea of the special tribunal was risky even if the whole story risks to inficiare the efforts of the governments in the fight against piracy that, in recent years, thanks to the use of the military, important results. the serious regulations on this matter are mainly responsible for the united nations, responsible for disciplinary in an organic and coordinated way of matter”.

 

[Fulvio Romano]

Finally, exa, your clarifying lighter also invests this matter!
:finger:

 

[Exatem]

Finally, exa, your clarifying lighter also invests this matter!
:finger:

Thank you very much.
I was initially braked by some "vices" that have seen me ahimè protagonist involuntary on the forum, then I threw "soul and core" on the gnome-rhone project" that absorbed me the always little free time, finally I expected the matter to assume a more "defined" aspect even if I have always manifested my opinion adopting for example the "yellow bow" is as avatar that signature.

As I write these words the tg (I am at home in holidays) has just said that Europe, which so many sacrifices asks us, is called out washing hands with "pilatesco" disinterest.
we continue to expose ourselves to "strapparadicchio" while the rest of the world fucks or takes advantage of it. . .

 

[re_solidworks]

This is a nonsense and just as exa underlines, for the indifference of other states. Can no one say his? If a dozen states begin to strengthen the regulatory evidence that the india is wrong, in my opinion, they put good.
the apex of crap is then the permuta marò-information finmeccanica.
You want to tell me that in those trades you work without bribes? in foreign states, especially emerging ones, tangents are much more dense than in Italy, on this I have no doubt.
that do not want us to pass through power supplies of corruption, at those levels is equal to all states.

 

[PierArg]

Hello exa, thank you for your valuable contribution to the story!

I do not express myself otherwise they would close the forum.

I am convinced that if they had been two soldiers of different nationalities, to say one by chance they use it, this controversy would not even open.

 

[SHIREN]

Bye-bye
Hello everyone
I think the situation has been handled in the best possible way
to the first impact we expected a more spectacular solution
in the sense that we sent our aircraft carriers we took off the helicopters "augusta"
He came to the site where they were locked up the maro' freed them with so much cannon shotguns etc.
and took them back to Italy
!!!!!!!!! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
and instead floor plan tomo tomo
I'm home.
the rest I know only to chat
even if I know that everything is in agreement with the Indian government
Thank you very much

 

[Er Presidente]

Unfortunately the casino was born at the beginning. when a armed military is sent out of the "domestics" all hypotheses must be resolved and protected by preventive agreements.
Let us imagine that the military had been boarded on a ship escorting a convoy, think logical. that an armed frigate would agree to enter foreign territorial waters to "recognize" pirates?
military action lives with rules of engagement and command chain and, where was the command chain that ordered to fire?
and if, as it is, someone in Rome decided to send soldiers to do the cops abroad without providing:
- the military single of a clear and responsible chain of command.
- the whole group of protection legally recognized by every "friend" state or otherwise involved in the hypothetical military actions.
- have then "caldeggiato" the entry into Indian national waters the ship with all the military on board without an international agreement signed by the two governments

who should raise the phone and propose itself as a guarantee in exchange for the two military?

having a (ex) minister (maybe still MP or senator) imprisoned in India would also have a huge advantage, as well as relaunching the "ball" to them, would have the possibility to "lift the shooting" at international levels not negligible.

I did the military and one thing I know for sure, no officer is allowed to fire without a precise order of an officer and if not in the presence of precise rules of engagement, where was the officer in command? in Rome? and what are you waiting to offend yourself as direct manager of the action in exchange for the freedom of the two "maro"?

I don't know if you saw the footage of the famous Iraqi photographers exchanged for terrorists from a "gunner" on an American helicopter. for three times the militia to the weapon asked permission to open the fire and only after for three times the "voice" in the head (the officer responsible) gave the authorization, requested and repeated, opened the fire.

That's how it works and has to work, it's too easy to send a bunch of losers to deal with abnormous situations of responsibility with incredible commissions of civil/military command mixtures (the ship's commander) and then be surprised to have made a mess and then the international community looks at you with amazement and sufficiency.

the famous tragedy of cermis is a precise example, the American pilot after 24 hours was in America because we accepted and signed an agreement in advance that any action carried out by an American military in Italy is the responsibility of the Americans, otherwise with the cabbage that opened the bases born.

 

[Exatem]

with regard to the rules of engagement, these provide for the use of the graduated and proportional force to the offense. In concrete terms, when a suspected vessel is sighted, first, it tries to attract attention in various ways, with the radio, with visual and sound signals, trying to make him change course. If the hostile unit persists and there are other irregularities, such as perhaps the presence of weapons on board, the alert is increased further and the so-called “warning shots” is used, that is, fire shots in the air for dissuasive purposes. the next step involves shooting in water, always at a safe distance. the direct shots on the boat are only “the extrema ratio”.
certainly there is that the agreements signed between the ministry of defence (directed then by the Russian) and the shipowning companies, obviously left wide spaces of uncertainty in the roles of the various protagonists, in particular for the military detached to protect the civil ships and in the framing that these men should have, as well as on the command line in case of accident.

the military carried out a proper function of the armed forces, the defense of the national soil (in international waters the ships flying Italian flag are national ground), so they would still have to depend on military commands and the responsibility of the ministry of defence.
instead these soldiers were totally subject to the decisions of the civilian commander of the ship on which they were boarded, like paid mercenaries of the companies. were the questionable decisions of the commander of the ship, to dock at the port of the kerala and to land the two military, who created the conditions for this unconscious situation.
Yet the government authorities, the current government, and the military authorities had to have been immediately warned of the incident and had to act immediately to prevent their men from being delivered to Indian local authorities whose little reliability is known. We know that many of the reasons why the state of kerala insists on pursuing our rifles comes from the political rivalry between this state and the Indian national authorities, probably much more likely to close the incident.
However, the event is concluded, the responsibilities of the event, to be divided evidently among those who organized the service, decided the rules of engagement and the command line, and who then should have managed the emergency without leaving the fate of the military in the hand of the civilian commander of the ship, or even worse to the shipowner, will have to be ascertained.
and here the responsibilities are, in my opinion, at the highest ministerial level both of the current government and of the previous one.
and returning to the rules of engagement, I remember that everyone has their own and that just a unit sent by the india was the protagonist, in November 2008, of a controversial case. the frigate “tabar” took to cannonate the Thai vessel “ekawat nava 5” which was finished in the hands of the Somali pirates, causing the death of fifteen sailors...

 

[numero1]

excellent, and as always clear, exposure of facts:finger:
Thank you exatem.

 

[radio]

I prefer not to comment:
roma (reuters) - the maximal marò latorre and savior girone will return india tomorrow.

he announces Palazzo Chigi in a note in which he reports that "the Italian government has requested and obtained from the Indian authorities the written insurance regarding the treatment that will be reserved for naval riflemen and the protection of their fundamental rights".

"the government has considered the opportunity, even in the interest of seamen, to maintain the commitment made on the occasion of the permit to participate in the vote, of the return in India by March 22. the marine riflemen have adhered to this evaluation", the government continues

 

[tecnico_plast]

shame, people of quaqquaraqquà.

 

[Exatem]

We shoot them...According to many observers, with the decision to retain in Italy the two military, the Italian government has compromised the Italian state and its credibility. the choice had, as we know, consequences also on the Italian ambassador in India: “for this supreme court if Italy does not give back the sailors put out of the law. because the state is outlaw there is no immunity for the ambassador because it represents an illegal country.”

the chronicles have evidenced that the two Italian military, at the end of the interrogations, held ten days away from each other and to which they were subjected by the military prosecutor's pm, were enrolled as investigated for "violate aggravated delivery" and for "dispersion of military armament".
In practice, the prosecutor intends to ensure that the rules of engagement have been respected. the second chief of charge is, however, almost trivial despite the altisonance of terms. It is in fact the accusation of "dispersion" of the bullets shot by the two riflemen. . .
the instructor that had been opened just happened the facts with the inscription in the register of the investigated. at the same time, as well as for military crimes, they were also registered for the “civil” crime of manslaughter and, being the latter more serious than the previous ones, the acts were transmitted and the consequent reformulation of the charge in voluntary murder.
In cases such as this, in which the crimes are connected, it is possible that the military prosecutor transmits the acts to the ordinary prosecutor that deals with the most serious offence. the pm also placed an expert on the ship computer of the tanker on which the communications between the commander of the ship and the shipowner are recorded. However, it would be a partial reconstruction, since the results of the autopsies and the balistic perizie are still missing, requested by two international roundabouts requested without result.

of course to the news that the two Italian soldiers would not return india, the putiferous has unleashed. India's premier manmohan singh shot at zero-alley, sharing the sense of indignation that overwhelmed the country while his government rushed to block every move permit to our dainile ambassador.

the European Union in the face of this aggravation of the relations between the two countries has chosen the way “of the ostrich”, hiding the head under the sand and declaring a laconic ” the convention of vienna must be respected from all sides”.

In short, there is enough to have to turre the nose but, show in the show, here comes the unexpected behind front of the Italian government.
"on the basis of the decisions taken by the interministerial committee for the safety of the republic - we read in a note of Palazzo Chigi - the Italian government has requested and obtained from the Indian authorities the written insurance regarding the treatment that will be reserved to naval riflemen and the protection of their fundamental rights. in the light of the wide assurances received, the government considered the opportunity, even in the interest of sailor rifles, to maintain the commitment made on the occasion of the permission to participate in the vote, of the return to Italy by March 22” (copy-paste from the internet).

the fishermen of the kerala while the Indian foreign minister assures that ours do not risk the death penalty.
in Italy instead began climbing on the mirrors confirming the "flight will" so widened in the last days.
Of course, the government managed to tear the written promise that the two will not be shot.
It doesn't matter. .
So much we have already executed them, and with them, all the Italian soldiers committed to doing daily what is required to them, whether it is the humiliation of collecting the patrol from napoli, or whether it is to maintain the inexplicable behavior in humanitarian missions.
we have saved some mega contract (with which we have probably been blackmailed) but we have demolished that little international credibility that we have often conquered with the blood of our fallen, to start from the early 18 of 1900, when Italy decided to send in China a military contingent along with seven other great powers for the protection of foreign citizens threatened by the revolt of the boxers, and occupied Pechino (from the Italian war are almost 150 military missions).

Having assessed the economic complications, we have lowered the calzones assuming the position consona to the necessary, decision taken a president, heard another president, with the support of a minister, without the opinion of the minister concerned, that however it has not resigned, as it has not resigned the colleague of the defense that in protest has risen and has left the meeting of the Security Council (!).
this will pass to history as the most unworthy act made by Italy towards its military.
pathetic, ridiculous, the undersecretary who said that "the word given by an Italian is sacred: we had only suspended" the return in India "waiting that new delhi guaranteed some conditions". forgetting, however, that the note of the falsehood of March 11 did not speak of "suspension" but communicated that "the Italian informed the Indian government that, according to the formal establishment of an international dispute between the two states, the naval riflemen maxilian latorre and savior crew will not return india at the expiry of the permission granted them. ”

so if first thanks to the professor we were the 17th German lander, now we are the 29th state of the Indian federation.

it is recommended to submit as soon as possible application for Indian citizenship.

 

[Oldwarper]

I ask the President's incrimination as commander-in-chief of the armed forces, guilty of high treason and outrage at the flag.

Grandpa, that "strack" you have behind your back is not there to shadow. It is the blood of the Italians who died for it and that you use to infagot the gift packages for four speculators and a German recombination with the ill-hegemonian hands of grandfather sweet.
Maybe he never wondered why the greeting was due first to her only after the president of the republic.
respect and honor.this is missing to our rulers. This has our boys deported to India as a commodity of exchange.

 

[Oldwarper]

it is recommended to submit as soon as possible application for Indian citizenship.

Since all the Indians wandering without art or part of our country, it'll be much easier. . .
instead of learning our language we should learn theirs.:mixed::bekle:

 

[Fulvio Romano]

instead I had interpreted it as a craxian maneuver to join the profit to the literal.
first (natal) I'll get them back india, so start trusting you, and pull out the real problem of helicopters. then I keep them in Italy to force you to put black on white what you haven't wanted to do until now. When I feel calm that the two Italians will be protected from these agreements (finally stipulated), I will return them india so you put in place the paperwork, since it is clear that by now the agreements have been taken, you only have to follow the formalism of the official way.

all, even with the risk of losing the face.

Maybe I'm myopic. Yeah, I'm probably myopic.

 

[Oldwarper]

instead I had interpreted it as a craxian maneuver to join the profit to the literal.

Everything can be, but I think we're overestimating the political intelligence of our leaders.

never give away what is more easily explained by stupidity.

 

[numero1]

instead I had interpreted it as a craxian maneuver to join the profit to the literal.
first (natal) I'll get them back india, so start trusting you, and pull out the real problem of helicopters. then I keep them in Italy to force you to put black on white what you haven't wanted to do until now. When I feel calm that the two Italians will be protected from these agreements (finally stipulated), I will return them india so you put in place the paperwork, since it is clear that by now the agreements have been taken, you only have to follow the formalism of the official way.

all, even with the risk of losing the face.

Maybe I'm myopic. Yeah, I'm probably myopic.

You're probably right fulvio went like this, but damn it......... It was a fearful turn, and yes, in Italy we should be used to it.
So much so now, in my opinion, continue on this line and keep our two soldiers here.
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