safety playground

[Simold]

I wish for them to answer, it's the least to do in this case.
I wouldn't be surprised otherwise.
not to generalize,but in certain sectors,the margins of worsening are still unknown.

 

[MauroM]

Here's a game similar to my house....

 

[Oldwarper]

Here's a game similar to my house....

This is even more dangerous. You don't even need to lift your foot. Just slip it by the base.

sends photos to the commune and to the city police, telling them that in the event of an accident they will be blamed for serious injuries. and that they will not be able to lead to the fact that parents must supervise children. It is responsible for the city and the mayor to ensure that the equipment available to the public respects the regulations of security and those are not. and parents do not have the skills and duty to check whether the games are standard and/or dangerous. It's enough that they respect their proper use.

Nothing to do. the mother of the s.c.e.m.i. She's always pregnant.

 

[Fulvio Romano]

ahimè I must add a post to this sad thread. I hope the oldwarper girl is better, and I want to anticipate that mine is fine and has not had any damage from what I am about to tell.

I'm on vacation, I'm taking my daughter 15 months to rides near the house. It's hot, she has short pants and she's slightly sweaty. after having made various games, he wants to climb on the car's snipers, and he enjoys going up and down.
the self-confidence is that game with the turkeys equipped with electric motor and generous bumper all around. the game consists in the "contrast", but on the game there is no one and the carnations are firm.
I have always seen these earrings with the classic pole to take tension from the grid on the ceiling and download it on the metal floor on the ground. These strangely don't have the pole... They will be battery-operated, but the car is quite small, made for small children.

coming down from a sniper the baby stumbles and goes on four legs to the ground. He does it every ten minutes, then he gets up and keeps running. but I don't understand, the child doesn't get up and starts to moan but without crying. Fortunately I was close, and after three or four seconds known that the metal floor is strangely made in strips, I rise it immediately and when the touch I feel distinctly an electric shock.

These strange turkeys prelevano tension from the metallic floor which is made in strips and has an electromotor force between contigue stripes. the child remained for three or four seconds with his knees on a strip and hands on the next one. Now I wonder, is that something like that? Shouldn't it be quite frequent that children stumble down from the turkeys and find themselves on the ground in that position? I don't know the tension, I don't even know if it's ac or dc, it's also a selv system, but a 15-month-old girl left to fry for four seconds is not affected?

 

[MBT]

fulvio
I'm sorry to hear this news. .
even if the little "well" is not a good experience

Knowing you, I know you've certainly gone to ask for explanations to the car dealer
risk analysis??? What do you say? ( rhetorical question, I know the answer... )

 

[cacciatorino]

fulvio and old: sorry I only saw this discussion now.

The greatest solidarity for accidents, fortunately children at that age forget very quickly the misadventures!

 

[maxopus]

I see now this discussion, best wishes to the poppy

hello lightning, electricity damage generally affects the muscle apparatus and consequently the heart, which is a muscle.
I think 3 or 4 seconds are not enough to cause permanent damage, even because those stupid tracks should not transmit high voltages/amps.
However, if you want to take away the thought made by your doctor if you think it is appropriate to make such checks.

 

[Fulvio Romano]

fulvio
I'm sorry to hear this news. .
even if the little "well" is not a good experience

Knowing you, I know you've certainly gone to ask for explanations to the car dealer
risk analysis??? What do you say? ( rhetorical question, I know the answer... )

the question is not as rhetorical as it seems. I went to the manager and asked him the documentation. everything was in order and well done. plates are powered by 40vdc to 60vdc (changeable by panel). Nothe mechanical risk of being overwhelmed by cars. electrical risk is mentioned exclusively for assembly, maintenance and disassembly.

I see now this discussion, best wishes to the poppy

hello lightning, electricity damage generally affects the muscle apparatus and consequently the heart, which is a muscle.
I think 3 or 4 seconds are not enough to cause permanent damage, even because those stupid tracks should not transmit high voltages/amps.
However, if you want to take away the thought made by your doctor if you think it is appropriate to make such checks.

the current has bad effects on the muscles. the tetanization of the diaphragm blocks breathing, the fibrillation of the heart causes cardiac arrest (ok formally is not cardiac arrest, but the effect is the same). But this alternating current, that continues does not give fibrillation, but worse tends to dissociate the blood, which is much more inficent. take the current, the heart keeps beating and you think you're saved, then after ten hours die by embolism.

When the baby calmed down he started running and playing again, but I wanted to take it to the hospital. And here things got worse, I get nervous thinking about it.
We go to the E.R., the doctor looks at her remotely and says: "It is vispa, it has no signs of burns, so it is fine, because the current has effects on the relationship between sistole and diastole, and blah blah blah blah." I'll stop right now and tell him: "looks that we talk about continuous tensions, I don't care about the pulse, I'm interested in electrolytes." the doctor responds with enough air: "But that are these nonsense, who told you, I am not an electrical engineer, but...". I have to interrupt him again and tell him: "I'm worried."

However, the doctor insists. You can go. note that the child remained in her arms to the mother and the doctor did not approach less than half a meter.

return to acceptance and say: "Do you give me a signed report for resignation?" "Yes, wait a minute there."
after half an hour I come to call again: "The doctor wants to make sure." He visits her and an electrocardiogram, just to be calm. Obviously the threshold of tranquility has been influenced by the need to place a signature on a report!

Anyway, it's been 48 hours, the damage can't be there anymore.

To conclude, given the documentation, the ride seems ok. more than anything I would like to now write a letter to the order of doctors to inform them of the conduct of this guy. Incidentally, the same clinic that two years ago paid my wife 9000€ damage for wrong medical maneuver. Unfortunately it is the only hospital within 50km radius.

 

[MBT]

Knowing you, I know you've certainly gone to ask for explanations to the car dealer
risk analysis??? What do you say? ( rhetorical question, I know the answer... )

the question is not as rhetorical as it seems. I went to the manager and asked him the documentation. everything was in order and well done. plates are powered by 40vdc to 60vdc (changeable by panel). Nothe mechanical risk of being overwhelmed by cars. electrical risk is mentioned exclusively for assembly, maintenance and disassembly.

the question was rhetoric because, when I read your post, I did a search and found the answer...

 

[MBT]

the current has bad effects on the muscles. the tetanization of the diaphragm blocks breathing, the fibrillation of the heart causes cardiac arrest (ok formally is not cardiac arrest, but the effect is the same). But this alternating current, that continues does not give fibrillation, but worse tends to dissociate the blood, which is much more inficent. take the current, the heart keeps beating and you think you're saved, then after ten hours die by embolism.

When the baby calmed down he started running and playing again, but I wanted to take it to the hospital. And here things got worse, I get nervous thinking about it.
We go to the E.R., the doctor looks at her remotely and says: "It is vispa, it has no signs of burns, so it is fine, because the current has effects on the relationship between sistole and diastole, and blah blah blah blah." I'll stop right now and tell him: "looks that we talk about continuous tensions, I don't care about the pulse, I'm interested in electrolytes." the doctor responds with enough air: "But that are these nonsense, who told you, I am not an electrical engineer, but...". I have to interrupt him again and tell him: "I'm worried."

However, the doctor insists. You can go. note that the child remained in her arms to the mother and the doctor did not approach less than half a meter.

return to acceptance and say: "Do you give me a signed report for resignation?" "Yes, wait a minute there."
after half an hour I come to call again: "The doctor wants to make sure." He visits her and an electrocardiogram, just to be calm. Obviously the threshold of tranquility has been influenced by the need to place a signature on a report!

Anyway, it's been 48 hours, the damage can't be there anymore.

To conclude, given the documentation, the ride seems ok. more than anything I would like to now write a letter to the order of doctors to inform them of the conduct of this guy. Incidentally, the same clinic that two years ago paid my wife 9000€ damage for wrong medical maneuver. Unfortunately it is the only hospital within 50km radius.

Mah... to the behavior of the doctor who has no excuses, especially with a small child, I can tell you that I of shock took so many, to various tensions (it is the fault of those who enjoy doing tests and experiments in the house)
of macroscopic effects, apart from the brain gone to bananas, there are no.

4-5 seconds are few, it is however true that the baby is small.
Then, you know, the effects of the current on the human body are still subjective.

 

[MBT]

In my opinion, the finger should be pointed to the fact that the incident was in tension while there is no one to manage it.
it could happen that a child stumbles and stays there for a longer period of time because the parent is distracted (plausible and justifiable, of the rest the self is turned off and therefore "not dangerous")

 

[gerod]

There's a risk.
one should evaluate all situations.... difficult, it is true, but at least the most reasonable.
- the child who falls and touches hands and feet because he stumbles
- any person who uses slippers and who could touch the plates with both feet (mits that summer slippers "scappano" or slide)
- the lady with heel 12 who loses stability
- wet feet, wet shoes (in summer is it possible? Of course!)
now, if the 3-4 seconds are few (it is however subjective) but if one slips, beats the head and remains exposed for a long time, what happens?

The important thing is that nobody got hurt, that's all over it.

the behaviour of the doctor is to be condemned: often subassessment and sufficiency do serious damage. a signal is to be done, if nothing else to make it clear to him that it no longer has to happen.

 

[Er Presidente]

...the plates are powered by 40vdc to 60vdc (changeable by panel).

The voltage hazard threshold is 50v, I don't like that 50/60.

 

[Matteo]

I hope the little girl is better.
in the past I was the spectator of a similar incident, but with different carousel: the classic floating trunk in a path of slides (child hand crushed between the trunk and the slide, fortunately without too much damage).
I think that the problem is essentially caused by the incompetence of the committees that have to assess safety: Firemen, the mayor or an ing enrolled in the abo (which perhaps belongs to the old generation for which an electric can sign a structure). it would take a commission of specialists, or at least specialists of certification.

 

[gerod]

Now there is the obligation of a commission that evaluates the machines.
It obviously takes someone who knows what machine means, in every sense.
They are machines that do not fall into the machine directive but must be guaranteed safety requirements.
obviously not always

 

[Fulvio Romano]

Mah... to the behavior of the doctor who has no excuses, especially with a small child, I can tell you that I of shock took so many, to various tensions (it is the fault of those who enjoy doing tests and experiments in the house)
of macroscopic effects, apart from the brain gone to bananas, there are no.

No mbt, in your case the brain problems are the cause, not the impact of shocks...

The voltage hazard threshold is 50v, I don't like that 50/60.

It's true, but alternating. low voltage (under voltage is considered "safe", whatever this word means) starts from 50vac alternately and 120vdc continuously. it means that the continuous is in general safe even to higher tensions, and this calms me. this because the alternating current carries the heart in fibrillation, even in very short times, while the continuous has physical/chemical effects on the blood, and puts us a little more time.

 

[MBT]

No mbt, in your case the brain problems are the cause, not the impact of shocks...

Ah, here...
always confuse causes and effects.. .

 

[Er Presidente]

No mbt, in your case the brain problems are the cause, not the impact of shocks...



It's true, but alternating. low voltage (under voltage is considered "safe", whatever this word means) starts from 50vac alternately and 120vdc continuously. it means that the continuous is in general safe even to higher tensions, and this calms me. this because the alternating current carries the heart in fibrillation, even in very short times, while the continuous has physical/chemical effects on the blood, and puts us a little more time.

I don't understand, the 110v in cc is lethal, because of blood polarization, and it needs transfusion.
The alternation is less dangerous because it's not sober.
In the specific case, there might be some sort of "salvation" with the control of dispersions, but I doubt.
"the last" voltage that can be safely used is the 48v that in fact is generalized as standard in control systems that can be handled by humans (to short also on cars).

 

[Fulvio Romano]

I don't understand, the 110v in cc is lethal, because of blood polarization, and it needs transfusion.
The alternation is less dangerous because it's not sober.

on the second statement we agree (as I had previously written).
on the first... I'm not an expert on cc, I could say you're right, but the lvd law says something different. I don't know.
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/bassissima_tensione

In the specific case, there might be some sort of "salvation" with the control of dispersions, but I doubt.

seee.... it is expected that the eight Moroccans absorb up to a maximum of 100a (63th of average, I read the manuals), and the positive plates, as well as the negative ones, are all connected together. with so high currents (necessary due to low voltages) it is practically impossible for a security system to understand what is happening. Think of the transient of an electric motor cc in acceleration, how do you distinguish it from the 30th downloaded to the ground from a malcapitato?
Moreover in the specific case the current has been taken between the positive and the negative plate, therefore indistinguishable from the absorption of the macchini itself.

So I say, but why not use the classic flags and report the floor to the ground? ? ?

 

[MBT]

cynical question but exquisitely mechanical. . .
How does it take the power? I mean... could be with contacts on the same plate!
and if it had more contacts arranged in various positions (to be sure to be on different plates) could "cortocircuit" the plates.. .