3d printer advice

[sgruzio]

hello to all, I would like to buy a 3d printer to practice since I am finishing a 3d studio max course and I would like to, once I am ready, start a 3d printer-based activity. I have already identified three printers who might be my case because I have a close sales point. Printers are the following: power wasp , sharebot ng ng , kentstrapper turn. I would like to use this first printer in a universal way to fully explore the market and the potential of this machine. So I do not want a toy but something that I will be able to carry out possibly in my business.

 

[GreenMaker]

Hi, try to take a look at the "3ntr" machine (http://3ntr.eu/?page_id=32), I saw her at the fair and liked her (solid and rational construction) and the demo pieces she exhibited were well made.
Hi.

 

[IPdesign]

If your idea is to start an activity in the world of 3d printing I think the printers you listed are not exactly the top.
almost all "desktop" printers have the technical office, the slender and the hobbyist.
think of doing service with printers of this type is pure utopia .. I have a service for years and since the beginning of the year I am dealer makerbot so I think I know what I say .

I can tell you that your statement says everything
"Now, not being practical in the sector" ... if you want to start with an activity of these times it is better to check the sector well ... Dispassionate advice obviously

 

[sgruzio]

My statement is that I have no experience with 3d printers yet, but as far as the industry is concerned, I have done my research also because I have a degree in economics, I also have the means to do so, what I miss is the practical experience with printers and that is why I want to buy one to practice while waiting to open an activity. I know that those I have listed are not professional but to learn I do not think it is appropriate to spend 5/10.000 euros, it is normal for my future activity to go on professional models suitable for my needs

 

[GreenMaker]

to be able to carry out service you need professional machines, as said ip, and then we talk about budget over 30k€.
to get a bit of bone is good for entry-level machines, but if you want something a little more exploitable you have to go on more robust machines and for this I advised you to take a look at those of 3ntr.
Hi.

 

[sgruzio]

I took a look but I didn't understand much....can you advise me something that does to my case (non-small print size say 25x25x25 and variety of materials) ? and as for my future activity I do not intend to do only the service for architects etc but also use the 3d printers to build design objects, clothing, gadgets etc...for these last uses that I told you can only suffice a printer and for those machines you said before about 30,000 what brand/site you recommend me? thanks

 

[IPdesign]

I took a look but I didn't understand much....

I think your previous research didn't have much effect.
When you replied to my answer I thought you had clear everything, while from your opening I confirm it is not so!

Could you advise me something that does to my case (non-small print size say 25x25x25 and variety of materials) ?

even here we are not, you will not find anyone able to choose in your place, what we did is try to put you in front of the fact that according to us what you want to do deserve more insights.

and as far as my future business is concerned, I am not going to do just the service for architects, etc. but also use 3d printers to build design objects, clothing, gadgets, etc. ...for these last uses that I have told you can also suffice a printer say that it costs half more or less than the amount you told me before for the professional ones? and for those machines you said before about 30,000 what brand/site you recommend me? thanks

We order, talk about 3d printers but in this forum it would be more correct to talk about technologies , so I would say fdm in the case of 3d printers but if you want to work with architects better than you are on plaster printing techniques , if you talk about fashion or clothes better to go on sintering , if you want jewelry like a sls , gadget with a fdm or stereolitography + silicone mold technologies .

It's just a fast roundup of our world.. It's been 12 years that I work on it and still today I discover new techniques.
the budget then .. with 10,000 € you don't even approach the professional world ..
and it should be said that it does not only serve a printer to do service, the professional software for the management of prints is distant light years from what comes with 3d printers up to 5.000 € , indeed sometimes it is free .

I reiterate the concept, if you want to enjoy yourself with a desktop printer are great tools, if you want to make it a job I believe your economics degree will have to be well played to compete with structured companies.

then of course this is my opinion but I think it is my own idea too greenmakerin every way I make you my most sincere wishes

 

[GreenMaker]

I am absolutely in agreement with ip.
to do service not only serve machinery (better to have different technologies) but also parametric design software (e.g. solid works, inventor, ...) and post-work equipment.
to start taking confidence with fdm technology, if you want to make medium-small objects, you might also well get a maker-bot (ip asks, sells them), between the desktops I think is among the best and the budget required is not very high.
Hi.

 

[sgruzio]

I understand what you're telling me but I repeat that one doesn't open an activity from today to tomorrow and now I just want to get closer to this world and make my assessments so it's clear that I don't know the different technologies etc. but I just want to have an idea of what it means to use a 3d printer and then eventually to deepen the topic and open an activity. It is as if a child who likes football wanted to start playing from the series so at the moment it is not reasonable to buy professional machinery for how I see it , I just want something to begin to understand how these machines work without however buying a toy as I said before . thank you anyway for the advice!

 

[sgruzio]

I am absolutely in agreement with ip.
to do service not only serve machinery (better to have different technologies) but also parametric design software (e.g. solid works, inventor, ...) and post-work equipment.
to start taking confidence with fdm technology, if you want to make medium-small objects, you might also well get a maker-bot (ip asks, sells them), between the desktops I think is among the best and the budget required is not very high.
Hi.

Thank you, now I'm going to see, bye.

 

[dko]

Ip, I saw makerbot z18, very interesting!
a question to make subsquadri or shapes with strong swing has the possibility to print
shapes or supports with other material then extinguishable? Thank you.

 

[Tettabeta]

I understand what you're telling me but I repeat that one doesn't open an activity from today to tomorrow and now I just want to get closer to this world and make my assessments so it's clear that I don't know the different technologies etc. but I just want to have an idea of what it means to use a 3d printer and then eventually to deepen the topic and open an activity. It is as if a child who likes football wanted to start playing from the series so at the moment it is not reasonable to buy professional machinery for how I see it , I just want something to begin to understand how these machines work without however buying a toy as I said before . thank you anyway for the advice!

Maybe I've already spoken to you, though my 0.02 and in this discussion:

1) High-end software (magics, not to name) still have much to say. but as well as the prototyping market is "offering" for the entry into the field of machines that are gradually taking spaces, also the software market (practically monopolized by proprietary solution and/or the aforementioned magics) are beginning to suffer the attack from below. It's true that care and kisslicer are still back light years in support, but it's also true that the usability pd software is already very well put. Moreover it is interesting to note the coupling microsoft+netfabb for the online repair service of the maths. . .

2) the entry level-professional gap will slowly notice. Just think of the effervescence in the field of consumables (e.g.: iglidur, loaded various, polystyrene, ...) that although with many limits it is still making progress... and for many applications the reduction of 90% cost of materials is of great importance.

3) to get started to do service, at a time like this, means to have done an excellent analysis of the market and its user basin. both from the bottom and from the top there are many actors... therefore the market "service" starts (if it is not already) to be inflated.
simply putting yourself in the window costs nothing, the important thing is to have a exit strategy at bearable cost.

Health
davide ardizzoia

 

[IPdesign]

Ip, I saw makerbot z18, very interesting!
a question to make subsquadri or shapes with strong swing has the possibility to print
shapes or supports with other material then extinguishable? Thank you.

makerbot z18 is currently marketed with only one extruder and can print only pla .
can still print supports always in plaque that are then removed mechanically.

 

[IPdesign]

1) High-end software (magics, not to name) still have much to say. but as well as the prototyping market is "offering" for the entry into the field of machines that are gradually taking spaces, also the software market (practically monopolized by proprietary solution and/or the aforementioned magics) are beginning to suffer the attack from below. It's true that care and kisslicer are still back light years in support, but it's also true that the usability pd software is already very well put. Moreover it is interesting to note the coupling microsoft+netfabb for the online repair service of the maths. . .

2) the entry level-professional gap will slowly notice. Just think of the effervescence in the field of consumables (e.g.: iglidur, loaded various, polystyrene, ...) that although with many limits it is still making progress... and for many applications the reduction of 90% cost of materials is of great importance.

3) to get started to do service, at a time like this, means to have done an excellent analysis of the market and its user basin. both from the bottom and from the top there are many actors... therefore the market "service" starts (if it is not already) to be inflated.
simply putting yourself in the window costs nothing, the important thing is to have a exit strategy at bearable cost.

Health
davide ardizzoia

I agree on the whole of the Davide line, in my opinion the current distance between professional systems and desktop systems is such only for first-round effect of software, but also and above all by the fact that they print only specific materials that the same software is able to handle at best.
Many times it is believed that a professional printer costs a sproposito and it is true, but we must also think about how much development and how many people work behind to provide a product that is "reliable and accurate" over time.

davide (which I greet ) will agree with me that today with less than 500€ and a little patience you can self-build 3d printers who move and extrude, but to print something at least decent you definitely need a good dose of patience, testing, calibration etc.

The printers that I trade and those that build davide (3ntr) are the result of a mechanical and electronic refinement that has taken away time and this I think must be recognized.
If you want to leave with something immediately working... but I don't say that you won't encounter any problems, it would be ridiculous.

 

[dko]

How about the announcement made by hp in June?

 

[Tettabeta]

How about the announcement made by hp in June?

...who moved everything to October?

Hi.
davide

 

[macondo]

I understand what you're telling me but I repeat that one doesn't open an activity from today to tomorrow and now I just want to get closer to this world and make my assessments so it's clear that I don't know the different technologies etc. but I just want to have an idea of what it means to use a 3d printer and then eventually to deepen the topic and open an activity. It is as if a child who likes football wanted to start playing from the series so at the moment it is not reasonable to buy professional machinery for how I see it , I just want something to begin to understand how these machines work without however buying a toy as I said before . thank you anyway for the advice!

Hey, did you decide which printer to take? Does it work as you wanted? bye: