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are problems related to the inability of local governments to manage transational problems. Today a private society can move and operate transversally on continents without difficulty while governments fail to escape their borders.
In the specific case to an armor company operating in that way, which illegally disposes of waste abroad with non-consistent modes with our legislation, it would simply be prevented from operating in Italy. If you like that way of working, go to the Turks, but not only when you're comfortable, you just go. But no, the shipowner sells the junk and gets rid of the problem illegally.
 
but in fact to that society will be prevented from working in Italy I hope.
but in another country? ?

It would be necessary that the shipowner, whoever it is, could not sell anything to such a society.
 
I want to start with an anecdote that clarifies that for once we are not the only “malfactors”. We are, however, in good company, because even a European country always taken as a model of seriousness and honesty, it also resorts to tricks and subterfuges to evade Community regulations.
in September 2012 in fact, news of the imminent departure of the portacontainer “northern vitality” expired protests of the Indian environmental groups (?).
the ship was considered an ecological bomb due to the toxic / harmful materials on board and was destined to reach the infamous yard of demolition of alang.
the northern vitality
norther3.webpis a ship of 195.74 meters for 32,2, from the displacement of 29.000 tons built in 1996. Currently the ship beats the flag of “antigua barbuda” and at this moment it is located in Adriatic, precisely at the head of the slovenia. Why quote this ship? because the northern vitality is a German ship and has been the protagonist of what has been called an “illegal export”.

before we continue, we do the point on the regulations. according to the norms in force at the time mentioned above, obsolete ships are considered “dangerous waste” and for so long can not be exported. Recycling of ships is governed by the regulation concerning shipments of waste that prohibit the export of hazardous wastes in countries outside the world but such legislation is not specifically intended for ships and is elusive quini with relative ease.
in fact the shipowners have found the method to bypass this law simply by selling the ships or recording them under flags of convenient.
the case northern vitality has unveiled the make-up: the merchant company, owned by the German company Norddeutsche vermögen holding company, has been properly sold to the American company gms which must not be subject to European regulations. it should be considered that in the case the northern vitality had reached the south east Asian, would have been the 418ma ship beached in the Indian yards.
to understand the size of the problem know that until then about 80% of the old ships were demolished in India, bangladesh and Pakistan while 40% of the ships in the world belong to European companies.

This is a problem of more than substantial dimensions, an intervention on matter has been indispensable. Recently the European Union has studied new norms to regulate the demolition of old ships that did not allow to bypass the laws in force. According to these rules the shipowners will be called to ensure that the ships are demolished safely, ecologically and only in yards inserted in a specific list of merit. the Regulation ue n° 1257/2013 of 20.11.2013 published on 10/12/2013, introduced the new norms (from the site of the Ministry of Infrastructure: http://www.mit.gov.it/mit/site.php?p=cm&o=vd&id=2952 and the website of the European commission:http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_ip-12-310_it.htm ).
between the obligations imposed is precisely the obligation to deliver the wreck only to a demolition and recycling plant included in a list verified by the Member States. these plants must obtain a specific authorization from the national authorities, they must be used dedicated structures from which the possibility of being able to flood the ships on the beaches is logically excluded, techniques must be observed for the protection of the health and safety of the workers, the adoption of specific procedures according to the present waste and of an emergency management plan. These rules, in addition to limiting the use of countries that do not comply with any standards, offer an opportunity to the Italian industry benefited from the geographical position and the yards present with structures often underused that could easily be converted. the European list will be made by the European commission by 31.12.2016 and certainly necessary “tempism” to enter this new market before being anticipated by French and Spanish.
as did the san giorgio yard of the port of genova that has obtained from rina services - the society of the rina active in the classification, test, inspection and certification - the certification iso 30000:2009 for the management system dedicated to the operations of demolition and recycling of a ship. the yard has been the first Italian reality to have obtained from rina services such certification, that attests the respect of the environment, the safety of the staff engaged in the work and the compliance with all the national and international regulations in force, in the conduct of such activities.
more in particular, the three-year certification, voluntary and valid, covers the entire process of demolition and recycling of a ship: from the acceptance by the yard to the carrying out of the work including the storage, management and disposal of the waste deriving from the demolition (e.g. iron, copper, exhaust oils, assimilate urban waste, etc.), which must take place in a sustainable way.
this to allow the Saint to obtain the demolition of the harmony.
 
Exatem said:
I want to start with an anecdote that clarifies that for once we are not the only “malfactors”. .
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Hello exa.............
It is obvious that there are a lot of written norms that are elusive
shipowners like any other entrepreneurs in other sectors make their own interests
I think only one written rule would be a bank fideiussion and
only one tax a kind of raee for household appliances
the ship to scrap must be demolished in the yard of origin
under any flag and any transfer of ownership
bank fideiussion serves in case the rule is not respected
or the ship accidentally falls:confused:
you pay the yard for failure to charge or any environmental damage
yards that should be equipped both for construction and demolition
according to rules widely quoted by you
and here thousands of jobs would be created

I think it's just a political will
Thank you very much
 
SHIREN said:
Hello exa.............
It is obvious that there are a lot of written norms that are elusive
shipowners like any other entrepreneurs in other sectors make their own interests
I think only one written rule would be a bank fideiussion and
only one tax a kind of raee for household appliances
the ship to scrap must be demolished in the yard of origin
under any flag and any transfer of ownership
bank fideiussion serves in case the rule is not respected
or the ship accidentally falls:confused:
you pay the yard for failure to charge or any environmental damage
yards that should be equipped both for construction and demolition
according to rules widely quoted by you
and here thousands of jobs would be created

I think it's just a political will
Thank you very much
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But now it seems that Europe has expressed this will.
demolishing in the yard of origin could be a possibility but the yard must be adjusted (and it is not always easy, think of the necessary spaces) to what is required in these norms. We hope that Italy will not miss this opportunity. I think, for example, of the installations of the mm that could be converted and used with little expense to demolition both of military ships and merchants taking advantage of both employment and economic.
 
16 years of imprisonment and a month of arrest at francesco schettino for his responsibilities in the shipwreck of the coast concordia and interdiction for 5 years as commander of ship. this is the judgment of the tribunal of large companies that has also condemned it to the perpetual interdiction from public offices. Sketch was the only defendant to the trial on the shipwreck of the concord coast, occurred on 13 January 2012 in front of the island of the lily. the former commander was tried for the crimes of multi-faceted murder related to the 32 victims, wounded injuries, coarse shipwreckage, abandonment of incapable persons and omitted communication to the maritime authority.

the prosecution had asked for a sentence of 26 years of imprisonment and three months of arrest, custody in prison, perpetual interdition at public offices, legal interdiction throughout the duration of the penalty inflicted and the interdition to the profession for 5 years and 6 months.
the defense of the former commander had instead asked for absolution from the crime of murder and multiple injuries shot, because, according to defense lawyers, there was no causal connection between his behavior and the death of the 32 passengers of the concord.. .

This is how...
the rest are personal considerations that each of us is free to express.
by me, say that "There is no causal connection between his behavior and the death of the 32 passengers of the concord" It's madness, it's lack of respect for the 32 victims... but I am not a lawyer or a judge, so my personal considerations remain.

here ends one of the blackest pages of the Italian marinery, with a sentence that however, will make discuss between guiltyists and innocentists.
 
Exatem said:
6 months for every dead?
5 years from the command?
Mah. .
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[...]the end therefore is nothing but to prevent the king from harming his citizens and removing others from their equals.[...] He is important that every blatant crime is not unpunished, but it is useless that it is revealed that it is buried in darkness. an evil already done, and to which there is no remedy, can not be punished by political society that what affects others with the lust of impunity
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revenge or satisfaction of the people, as a rule, are not contemplated by the post-Mediterranean jurisdiction.
 
Fulvio Romano said:
revenge or satisfaction of the people, as a rule, are not contemplated by the post-Mediterranean jurisdiction.
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I would have liked the hanging or the shooting.
Instead they are talking about (in)justice and between indulti, condoni and other italic minchiate we know how will end this nth farce.
and the people have the right to see justice satisfied.

of the crimes and punishments was published in 1764 when the administration of justice provided for the use of torture and death penalty.
beccaria is not contrary to the death penalty for excessive goodism or naivety, or for moral fanaticism.
the death penalty is much more simply, considered useless to well-being, tranquility and social education.
nothing moralism therefore, is discussed only in terms of utility and necessity.
always second beccaria the death penalty is really necessary only in two cases: If the condemned, even recruited, could persist in the commission of the crime and in case it was a danger to the state itself.

for good civil education serves more: forced labor, for example.

I am convinced that 6 months of condemnation for a death result of a very serious negligence, superficiality, of having failed to the duty of commander, is very serious.
 
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For me the 26 years were all there, but said this because you say it's the end? It's the end now, or partial.
Is there another 2 degrees of judgment or not?
so sketch could be even absolute, or maybe take life.
 
numero1 said:
For me the 26 years were all there, but said this because you say it's the end? It's the end now, or partial.
Is there another 2 degrees of judgment or not?
so sketch could be even absolute, or maybe take life.
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Yeah... could... :
but crown (which is infinitely on me...) got 15 years. This 16.... fair judgment?
But let's end it here, let's just talk about technical issues.
How is the demolition of the wreck going?
 
technically crown has all the cards in order to perform the same crime again. no, because they hardly let him rise again on something floating.
ergo, crown must be kept away from society, while sketching, as much as it can be and as far as it can occupy the lowest step of the human scum, if left to free foot is not a danger for those who are back.

This is justice.

Of course the third 'f' is much more cathartic, but you should go live in the uses. or in wool.
 
Fulvio Romano said:
technically crown has all the cards in order to perform the same crime again. no, because they hardly let him rise again on something floating.
ergo, crown must be kept away from society, while sketching, as much as it can be and as far as it can occupy the lowest step of the human scum, if left to free foot is not a danger for those who are back.

This is justice.

Of course the third 'f' is much more cathartic, but you should go live in the uses. or in wool.
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interrupted by the command for 5 years so theoretically the 6 could recover the degree. Why not revoke it to life?
I didn't understand what "the third f."
 
Fulvio Romano said:
Of course the third 'f' is much more cathartic, but you should go live in the uses. or in wool.
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in a context in which we talk about justice and penises the catarsis associated with countries as it uses and cites something specific makes me think. on the third "f" instead I got a little lost, especially if it is the "f" as flagged as exported.
 
Fulvio Romano said:
technically crown has all the cards in order to perform the same crime again. no, because they hardly let him rise again on something floating.
ergo, crown must be kept away from society, while sketching, as much as it can be and as far as it can occupy the lowest step of the human scum, if left to free foot is not a danger for those who are back.

This is justice.

Of course the third 'f' is much more cathartic, but you should go live in the uses. or in wool.
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Good morning.
Excuse me, but my current state of "novice" imposes two thoughts and a question:
1) do you really think that, free, skewer is less dangerous than crown? you or the judges who have considered to issue this judgment, would you feel calm to entrust, for example, your families to a skewer while driving a tourist bus on the Amalfi coast? I, personally, would have some remote to do this. I don't know her. because, if I understood correctly, but I might be wrong, nothing will stop in the near future to lead a tourist vehicle.
2) Unfortunately, I think, the concept of justice, in Italy, is somewhat deformed according to cases and times. above all it is used "for example", more than according to the penal code. I speak as an unexperienced legal matter, but I can't really explain the progression of "accidents" that causes the crown to be in prison for 15 years, the lawyer who disfigured 20-year-old lucia and skeleton, after causing the death of 32 people, 16 years. The difference between pain and guilt, in this case, seems too exasperated.
3) what do you mean by third f?
4) I hope I can return as soon as possible to talk about "technical" topics. Apologize for divagation.
 

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