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[mir]

Hey, guys.
I'm evaluating a software change from my inventor 2012 ... who says the market? What's more?
below I also have a vaulted server to manage projects ... Does the market offer better alternatives (they are very disappointed by the vault)?

Thank you.
♪

 

[The_Matrix]

Hey, guys.
I'm evaluating a software change from my inventor 2012 ... who says the market? What's more?
below I also have a vaulted server to manage projects ... Does the market offer better alternatives (they are very disappointed by the vault)?

Thank you.
♪

Dear Sir...
there is a special section of the site for these topics... He's not seen here.

Some inspiration for you... preceded by some reflections on how cad/plm is evolving:
- the question you ask is sensible enough, but you really risk being dragged into the usual dispute between those who have it longer. :smile:
- the cad has become a "commodity": the difference is made on other aspects... plm in primis and cae.

That said... What kind of company will your image in the next 10 years?
do you think that the "ferro" will be the preponderant part of your design? or do you think you will evolve towards a more "system" and "mechatronics" approach?
What kind of design do you do?
- eto (engineering to order)?
- cto (configure to order)?
manage the "platform design" so that the eto and cto can be realized?
- optimize your structures and design?

... start responding and see...
If your answers are "I will always make iron... project, what else?... eto/cto? But what do you say?... not to miss a kilo of iron more than one less..." then it's okay with any mechanical software... If you don't like inventor, there's swx or if they have their platforms for the pdm. . .

If you answer differently, then maybe you are ready to evaluate a plm and you will send a software that allows you a serious system engineering.. .

Hi.

 

[painaz]

I will not be technical as a matrix, but the juice is that.

The idea I've done is this:

1) I believe the future is on the "explicit" modeling. or when model a piece should not be conditioned by how it was designed, by the feature tree... ...the problem of parametric is that if I make a varied mechanical design, taking pieces here and re-add them I have to be very careful how to model them. It's an extra step that you shouldn't do, you shouldn't be conditioned by how you drew a piece.

2) if you are a pmi, you do not have a strong engineering of the product etc.etc., if you do not have to deal with surfaces that you use inventor, solid edge, creo or vattelapesca is all influent.

3) if you find yourself in point 2 then, in my opinion, it becomes decisive not the cad in itself but the complete package that they offer you. What pdm? help you set up a robust encoding system? What assistance do they give you? At that point I think the naked and raw cad is not decisive. someone is more "user friendly" (solidworks for example you learn very quickly), but you are not a student, you use it 8 hours a day every day. after two months jump from one icon to another as if I had not done anything else, friendly interface or not.

4) if you are a big company, you have a strong engineering of the product, you have to integrate electronic push, tire, manual, send models directly to machine tools, create machine configurations... then go in high band: catia, ug, creo (but is it still high-end creo? )

5) to change I would think of a trillion of times. if you have an important historian, archived with a certain format... on paper migration is easy. but theory is equal to practice only in theory: Then there's always a bitch.

6) if you are a study that makes third-party design I would go on an explicit modeler (creo direct modeling). It is true that now the parametric have features of recognition of the features when they import, but honestly 9 times out of 10, if it does not matter "bricks" you always have to put your hands and rebuild something. But I have no idea how inventor functions. Maybe he's already a direct modeler.

 

[The_Matrix]

@painaz -:finger:
at the end of the accounts, nowadays it counts more to have a great software support to the design side (a plm, not just a pdm) than to have the cad that #celhapiùlungo
Here, the point you mentioned: But you're not a student, you use it 8 hours a day every day. after two months jump from one icon to another as if I had not done anything else, friendly interface or not.I think it's absolutely fit... according to 150%
and then: remember that, due to 1000 problems, use cad at 30/50% of their possibilities.
you have no idea how many companies still make 2d assembly.... how many do cad-bom by hand.. .
and maybe they fossilize that the cad does the part list indented or put a click more to make a configuration.

the world is evolving and the real enemy are not cad functionality, but these 7 words:
we have always done it that way

the 7 most expensive words for business (please ask kodak)

 

[Tristan]

Hey, guys.
I'm evaluating a software change from my inventor 2012 ...

Well, maybe you could also try to figure out all this time what changed in the same inventor and vault. in 4 years it passed of water under the bridges...

 

[Tristan]

the world is evolving and the real enemy are not cad functionality, but these 7 words:
we have always done it that way

the 7 most expensive words for business (please ask kodak)

straquotone per the_matrix!!! :36_1_11:

 

[mir]

you are an inspiration!

 

[The_Matrix]

but what a source of inspiration. . .
now we send you the details for the transfer!

 

[painaz]

the case kodak is however too particular: They didn't realize that technology was dead by now.

Maybe it's the same thing in the automotive industry (I think matrix has something to do by reading the posts). I find it worrying that fiat doesn't have hybrid technology. or worse than in the end I have to buy it: maybe they make 500 hybrid but the design and the components are all bosh or dense aisin (germania or Japan in short).

but looking more in the speech could be: Are we sure that in 10 years companies like tesla will not be the wolfwagen of the future? point on hybrid or step directly to the whole electrical? Improved film or throw everything away and switch to digital?

I'm afraid that you don't search. in the world of the Italian car has since been made out in favor of romiti that the industry does not jump out with some innovative product (common rail apart, gigantic opportunity thrown to the wind. is it possible that industrialization was entrusted to bosh instead of marelli? ).

I am a fanatic of made in italy, but I have as the suspicion that in fiat they are concentrating on making good turntables instead of studying how to make cd readers. Here, German and Japanese already do cds, the tesla makes mp3 readers, fiat turntables.

This is the metaphor that comes to my mind.

 

[mir]

you have idea how much good turntables cost now

 

[mir]

However we do not abandon the sown... I am a pmi that slams the muzzle with the vault ... I sincerely think I have never seen a program cvosì hurt (export, import, version, revision, ...) I would like a management that completely removes me from the loom of the files ... I don't even want to know the physical name of the file ... resists something like that?

 

[The_Matrix]

Mah, you know, painaz.
everything is in knowing how to evaluate technologies and adopt them in time.
kodak was an example of mental blindness. . .
But then?
all on digital: Think of yourself if I built factories to make digital machines... After not even 10 years phones replace cameras.
technology advances and goes faster and faster.

Yes, I work also in the automotive now (after 15 years of only automotive... are the "pape" of the migration of fiat from catia to ug).
Hybrid technology is the future? or the full electric?
but with what technology? Tesla? ... with the platform made with the batteries? What do you do with that flat/battery at 100,000 km? Will you throw it?
and where do you throw it? if instead of a few thousand tesla sold millions like the golf that the hell we make of millions of big batteries 4 square meters? already is a problem with mobile phones... Figure the cars.
We're still at the dawn, believe me.

 

[The_Matrix]

However we do not abandon the sown... I am a pmi that slams the muzzle with the vault ... I sincerely think I have never seen a program cvosì hurt (export, import, version, revision, ...) I would like a management that completely removes me from the loom of the files ... I don't even want to know the physical name of the file ... resists something like that?

the "management" is not only that.
Anyway, if you want to see a serious plm in action, go see teamcenter.
integrated with nx is the maximum, but also with inventor it is fine.
but, above all, look what teamcenter gives you in addition to managing cad files: that is plm...
almost come teamcenter there are others, but, of course, teamcenter is also my son... So...

 

[painaz]

I fully agree, I add, then I close the oct.

My concern is that in any case it seems they do not do research.

I think fca is becoming a value-added assembler mere in technology.

 

[The_Matrix]

I fully agree, I add, then I close the oct.

My concern is that in any case it seems they do not do research.

I think fca is becoming a value-added assembler mere in technology.

sure fiat is not bmw or mercedes... ok, definitely invest less in r&d
I mention a few things though:
- the new diesel engines. 2.2 jt
- the new "young" platform developed in modena from which will be born giulia and all the new alpha to tp and you
- Maserati Ghibli
- renegade and her cousin 500x
... this for fiat emea.
then look beyond the ocean to how they saved chrysler.

Okay, they're not innovation monsters, but not dacias, toh.

 

[ROAR]

Hey, guys.
I'm evaluating a software change from my inventor 2012 ... who says the market? What's more?
below I also have a vaulted server to manage projects ... Does the market offer better alternatives (they are very disappointed by the vault)?

Thank you.
♪

say which is the best product is impossible, the most used ones are the same softwares that have the most visited forums on this site,piuttosto autodesk has developed plm 360http://www.autodesk.com/products/plm-360/overview?_ga=1.98161439.1459877199.1434470048Maybe it's your case.
regarding the automotive I found interesting this articlehttp://www.engineering.com/plmerp/a...ruth-for-dassaults-3dexperience-platform.aspxdecotte companies managed to recover and produce beautiful cars regardless of the softwares used

 

[painaz]

However we do not abandon the sown... I am a pmi that slams the muzzle with the vault ... I sincerely think I have never seen a program cvosì hurt (export, import, version, revision, ...) I would like a management that completely removes me from the loom of the files ... I don't even want to know the physical name of the file ... resists something like that?

I do not have the skills to answer specifically for vault, on the forum there were negative comments (to be taken with pliers) however I allow myself to suggest this: Are you sure you have implemented it well? Making the files compiled by the management is an account, configuring a pdm requires specific skills and solid computer preparation. by solid I mean "I know how a database works, how to organize data, how to do coding, you configure a network, I know a programming language for databases."

something far beyond "to install linux".

I apologize in advance, but the fact is that sometimes problems arise from superficial knowledge or self-taught implementations.

I repeat, I apologize again if this is not the case. but I would take this step in his place: rather than changing cad with a historian of thousands of drawings I would address to those who confide in profession every day vault, I would explain why and how, I would make sure that everything is properly configured, that the data has been arranged in order to be used correctly from the database etc. etc.

change cad system is delicate, change cad pdm and delicate management to the cube.

have you asked for specific advice? the forum is good to share experiences and give yourself some tips, but on such specific issues it is difficult to read and give a really weighted answer.

 

[painaz]

Matrix, about ten years ago in the working environment I had met a former manager, told me something about how they started using cad systems.

for example that the fiat rhythm was the first car that they designed completely, totally with cad systems (so around 1975 taking into account the times of design) and that at the time some designers made some resistance to change.

If you want and time maybe you could write some posts on the topic: What did they use? How did they manage the drawings? What computer? I see you have a button on the avatar, is that of the cad unigrafics?

ehmm, I apologize to all other users for ot, but these things fascinate me.

 

[mir]

I do not have the skills to answer specifically for vault, on the forum there were negative comments (to be taken with pliers) however I allow myself to suggest this: Are you sure you have implemented it well? Making the files compiled by the management is an account, configuring a pdm requires specific skills and solid computer preparation. by solid I mean "I know how a database works, how to organize data, how to do coding, you configure a network, I know a programming language for databases."

something far beyond "to install linux".

I apologize in advance, but the fact is that sometimes problems arise from superficial knowledge or self-taught implementations.

I repeat, I apologize again if this is not the case. but I would take this step in his place: rather than changing cad with a historian of thousands of drawings I would address to those who confide in profession every day vault, I would explain why and how, I would make sure that everything is properly configured, that the data has been arranged in order to be used correctly from the database etc. etc.

change cad system is delicate, change cad pdm and delicate management to the cube.

have you asked for specific advice? the forum is good to share experiences and give yourself some tips, but on such specific issues it is difficult to read and give a really weighted answer.

you for push stuff I can understand but I have a few thousand articles and I do not care about excellent performance .... I'm interested in a pdm that doesn't give me continuous messages like "Be careful the local file is more recent than that in vault" only because it can't manage the dates alone and understand that the filed is more correct than that in vault.

 

[The_Matrix]

you for push stuff I can understand but I have a few thousand articles and I do not care about excellent performance .... I'm interested in a pdm that doesn't give me continuous messages like "Be careful the local file is more recent than that in vault" only because it can't manage the dates alone and understand that the filed is more correct than that in vault.

Go see something like teamcenter and take your fear.