tariff for mechanical designer

[gil]

I take mtb data
170/220 = 77% of working time is turnover. for a good professional started, okay can stay.
170 hours * 23 euro / hour = 3910 euro
3910 euro - 1200 expenditure = 2710 euro
2710 * 0.6 (paid tax) * 11 months = 17886 euro year
It's as mtb says.

but 220 hours month is 55 hours a week. then also a generic worker with some extras, making the waitress/baskets in the evening and in the weekend comes to the same pay by working the same number of hours. and does not have the risks of free professional.
study! They said... nice trick.

 

[numero1]

Does a cad operator cost less? I'm wrong.

But go...... It's the same thing that's whipping into my brain, too:

 

[numero1]

with 30 euros now it is better to look for a place as an employee, it is useless to climb on drawn calculations for the hair. 1830 hours year for 30 euros are 54,900 and you have 10,000 euros of expenses even if you stop breathing. Get inps and taxes and let me know how much you have left. haaaa you cannot get sick and vacations are not paid, as there are no 13th and 14th monthly. it is for people who work at 30 euros gross that the market went in cow.

No 13a no 14a and all that, but where do the 1830 hours come from?
Did I miss a post?

 

[numero1]

the market is "going in cow" for the whole Italian habit of making shoes one with the other, and not know how to do business even when you are in 2 (two) partners. How is the "professional" collaboration hypothesis going here on the forum?

Good day

I agree, and if you refer to this hypothesis:http://www.cad3d.it/forum1/threads/27962-rete-cad3d-progettisti-in-italia/page39find the answer in the first page 39.
Hi.

 

[MBT]

I take mtb data
170/220 = 77% of working time is turnover. for a good professional started, okay can stay.
170 hours * 23 euro / hour = 3910 euro
3910 euro - 1200 expenditure = 2710 euro
2710 * 0.6 (paid tax) * 11 months = 17886 euro year
It's as mtb says.

but 220 hours month is 55 hours a week. then also a generic worker with some extras, making the waitress/baskets in the evening and in the weekend comes to the same pay by working the same number of hours. and does not have the risks of free professional.
study! They said... nice trick.

it comes almost without rounding
17866 €/year / 13 monthly = 1374 €/month
evaluate if it is more or less than you currently take. . .

 

[Andrea Bellachioma]

I'm thinking about the wrong job, too.
speaking out of personal experience, I had a chance to see that my peer friends take more than me clearly, and they are in the workshop. .
the last, and the most clamorous,it was one who just entered to work as a generic worker for a big company,it was taken "only"1450 net in pay envelope without extraordinary...ahh ok.

 

[cacciatorino]

I'm thinking about the wrong job, too.
speaking out of personal experience, I had a chance to see that my peer friends take more than me clearly, and they are in the workshop. .
the last, and the most clamorous,it was one who just entered to work as a generic worker for a big company,it was taken "only"1450 net in pay envelope without extraordinary...ahh ok.

In theory you should have greater prospects of growth, both career and salary. The general worker instead takes 1450 now and will take as many in 30 years, if he is not good enough to become head of department or resp. maintenance or other.

 

[Andrea Bellachioma]

In theory you should have greater prospects of growth, both career and salary. The general worker instead takes 1450 now and will take as many in 30 years, if he is not good enough to become head of department or resp. maintenance or other.

exact, but honestly I'm "just" clear the way I can grow.
The only sure thing is that I have to change company.
to connect me to the post, they proposed to work at 20€/h for occasional collaborations through the statement, while 22€/h if I had opened the game iva.
It was about doing "any design." .

 

[PierArg]

In theory you should have greater prospects of growth, both career and salary. The general worker instead takes 1450 now and will take as many in 30 years, if he is not good enough to become head of department or resp. maintenance or other.

There's a megastraquoton here!

@andrea: no is not how you reason.
tries to assimilate concepts, knowledge and "vital" skills for the company.
do so "distinguish" from others.
when one day you think you have found better (for example a proposal for a better position in another company) and you will resign your current company will do everything to hold you. Let's bet?

 

[Fulvio Romano]

In theory you should have greater prospects of growth, both career and salary. The general worker instead takes 1450 now and will take as many in 30 years, if he is not good enough to become head of department or resp. maintenance or other.

I add, with the daily risk that a little boy knocks at the door and offers himself for 1449, and that therefore he is hired to replace him in a week, so tightening a dice are good all. If you're good, maybe a little less.

There was a statist who was shocked by the discovery that in the Russiany of his time a doctor earned less than a miner. He was explained that with the life of m., that is, with the usury work of a miner, that was the correct balance, otherwise they would have had so many doctors unemployed and nobody in the mine.
Think about this when, in the office, raise the heating a little bit.

 

[Andrea Bellachioma]

@pierarg and @fulvioromano ;scusate, I think I have given a wrong idea of me.
I grew up in a mechanical workshop doing (I worked every summer since I was 16 years old).
work in a tiny company, which due to management problems, is quite messed up.
In practice I have to do almost everything myself, and the "principle of indispensable services offered by me", for serious economic problems of the company I do not see it at all feasible (I have to take a few months back).
@fulvioromano; the speech you mentioned does not bend,straquoto!

 

[gil]

your current company will do everything to hold you.

perarg according to me you stayed behind, obviously you do not know the companies 3.0.
in the company 3.0 the carrier is "push up" that "there are good all" thanks to the expert "drivers of the owner". therefore the company 3.0 dismisses the skilled worker to take a generic, then dismisses the general and takes an apprentice, which then does not need in fact enough an intern of the school.

the technical office / design is only a waste of time, in fact you see to eye on the moment how to realize the product.

disputes? I am not a problem thanks to the Italian judicial system, it will take a century to establish the obvious, who will live will see.
and then often one hand washes the other, if there is the p.a. every porcade is lawful with inpunity guarantee, what is a product designed and made to regulate art in a company 3.0?

 

[Andrea Bellachioma]

perarg according to me you stayed behind, obviously you do not know the companies 3.0.
in the company 3.0 the carrier is "push up" that "there are good all" thanks to the expert "drivers of the owner". therefore the company 3.0 dismisses the skilled worker to take a generic, then dismisses the general and takes an apprentice, which then does not need in fact enough an intern of the school.

the technical office / design is only a waste of time, in fact you see to eye on the moment how to realize the product.

disputes? I am not a problem thanks to the Italian judicial system, it will take a century to establish the obvious, who will live will see.
and then often one hand washes the other, if there is the p.a. every porcade is lawful with inpunity guarantee, what is a product designed and made to regulate art in a company 3.0?

Unfortunately,quote. .

 

[PierArg]

perarg according to me you stayed behind, obviously you do not know the companies 3.0.
in the company 3.0 the carrier is "push up" that "there are good all" thanks to the expert "drivers of the owner". therefore the company 3.0 dismisses the skilled worker to take a generic, then dismisses the general and takes an apprentice, which then does not need in fact enough an intern of the school.

the technical office / design is only a waste of time, in fact you see to eye on the moment how to realize the product.

disputes? I am not a problem thanks to the Italian judicial system, it will take a century to establish the obvious, who will live will see.
and then often one hand washes the other, if there is the p.a. every porcade is lawful with inpunity guarantee, what is a product designed and made to regulate art in a company 3.0?

Hey, gil,

Surely what you wrote happens, but not in all companies.

I personally look forward to having relationships with such companies.

 

[Lettore espatriato]

I take mtb data
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It's as mtb says.

I would say...:36_1_13:

 

[Lettore espatriato]

working 2400 hours as a cash employee you do more. what kind of comparison is 1830 versus 2400.
we have always been the Chinese of Europe together with Spanish and Portuguese. Now the authentic Chinese have arrived together with Serbians, Poles, Albanians and are showing us how the real struggle against the downside works. You could work 3650 hours a year, you know the money you make.

hi maxopus,
it was only to specify that a free professional working, average, "only" 6 hours a day (1830 hours / 300 working days), is not working at full capacity. if you are free professional work as much as possible. If you have a company, you work less because you take care of other aspects, compensating with other components of the company.

about Serbs, Poles, Albanians: I remember that twenty years ago were the technical offices of the north-west complaining of the "cantinators" of the north-east who "fregated" the job. the best survives. or what has more knowledge at the purchasing office.

 

[cacciatorino]

hi maxopus,
it was only to specify that a free professional working, average, "only" 6 hours a day (1830 hours / 300 working days), is not working at full capacity. if you are free professional work as much as possible.

It's not like that. a dip. is paid even when it does coffee break, or when it is on the beach to rimini, a free professional instead not, and in these dead times you have to count the various impunities such as to go to pay taxes, make a donation of blood, do the anti-fire course etc etc etc etc. etc. (all activities for which the dip. is desipensed or is paid to do it).

the advantage of being a free professional is perhaps in the least monotony of professional and private life, the cases in which it is economically advantageous are few.

 

[meccanicamg]

also in lombardia area brianza the prices of free professionals who design and draw stand from 23 to 28€ now....who tries to make 30/35 is out.

 

[maxopus]

working days are not 300. if you want to compare the earnings you have to use the same parameters. The weeks are 52 but you have to take six of them off. so if you multiply 46x5x8 you get the hours worked by an employee and i.e. 1840 and I think you have to take some holidays, so the hours worked are less than 1830 ... I was wrong for excess.
If you want to work 3650 hours, no one could say anything to you (except you would distract the family) but I think you should expect to earn twice, at least.

 

[numero1]

There's a megastraquoton here!

@andrea: no is not how you reason.
tries to assimilate concepts, knowledge and "vital" skills for the company.
do so "distinguish" from others.
when one day you think you have found better (for example a proposal for a better position in another company) and you will resign your current company will do everything to hold you. Let's bet?

All right in theory, but in practice?
for example with me you would have lost your bet