mechanical designer vs process engineer

[Xy2010]

Good evening to all, I am a newly graduated boy at the three-year mechanical engineering and now I am continuing my studies to obtain the master's degree.
I wanted to have advice from those who have more experience than me in the field.
during the studies I started working as a designer/designer in a family business (about 50 employees).
I have had the opportunity to experience the use of cads, the management of the distinte and the whole world of the technical office, but unfortunately, I have not had much way to deepen some aspects of the design since, even for the "old" mark of my company, many dimensions and management of the projects are made on the basis of the minimal experience acquired by them in the past and do not rely on my skills as I am considered too young (I have 24 years, to specify).
This has led me to feel dissatisfied as I have not so far been able to train professionally, I also understand from my mistakes.
In the company nom there are senior figures from which to learn as there is no real technical office.

I presented an economically and logistically advantageous offer as a process engineer (analyst times and methods) in an enterprise of about 30 employees but with a more advanced organization of my current situation.

I don't know if the processist work can be monotonous and can give me a chance to train professionally.
Plus, as I don't know the job, I don't know if I can like it (to specify that the designer\designer I like).
Is it the case of taking the opportunity or waiting for an offer in the field of design?

thanks for the help

 

[Stan9411]

access to both tasks through a training in mechanical engineering, but are in fact two different crafts.

can both be boring or stimulant.

Both can either allow you to make careers quickly or plant yourself on the same job for 15 years.

Both may require the implementation of all the technical baggage you have acquired at the university, but could be done roughly and based on preconceptions more or less matured over the years.

choose what most inspires you at the level of your personal inclination ... professional success will depend only on the boundary conditions: a boss, who supports you, a firm company with good customers, good colleagues etc.

 

[Xy2010]

Thank you.
In reality both realities seem to be quite solid with the difference that my current situation at the level of structuring and organization is a little less prone to innovation.
Unfortunately, however, I cannot say what I may like most since at the moment I have been able to cite only in design and design and not in process analysis.
I like my work, but I don't want to dwell on one aspect of my work but be able to complete

 

[PIETRO2002]

I was lucky to do both jobs and I liked each other! today's analyst's work is very different from the past! I mean, there's no more chronometers today. Today we need a lot more 'problem solving skills, knowledge of the application of lean techniques! knowledge and curiosity' of technological innovations that can lead to a reduction of costs. It's a very stimulating world! But as they told you in the previous surgery, it depends on the company, how it is structured, by colleagues... if I were you I would try, make an experience in a new field, then see if you like more than the designer work! Then the job doesn't marry him, you're still young and you can go back or the experience made can be useful for a future job as a coordinator! put on passion!

 

[Stan9411]

in general, having experience in different tasks never hurts. especially at the beginning.

then my personal opinion is that at some point to become good professionals you have to channel in a direction and walk it. to become really competent in a specific job, you have to do it at least for 5-7-8 years (I don't want to say that after this period of time you no longer need to learn and understand). If every 6 months trade changes you will never have time to create robust skills.

 

[stevie]

analista timing-methods = no design

depends on what you prefer to do

 

[Xy2010]

Thank you for your answers and advice.

in the field where I would go they explained to me that I would also take care of the whole area of certification.
I wanted to ask if overall the work of analysis times and methods etc. it turns out to be too "burocratic" or you have the same the possibility to get in contact with the workshop and the actual production to

 

[PIETRO2002]

Thank you for your answers and advice.

in the field where I would go they explained to me that I would also take care of the whole area of certification.
I wanted to ask if overall the work of analysis times and methods etc. it turns out to be too "burocratic" or you have the same the possibility to get in contact with the workshop and the actual production to

I speak, of my experience, if you want to seriously do the work of analyst times and methods, spend most in the workshop to "dispose your hands" and see where you do things and how you do things! you are in contact with the operators, you need balance and know how to deal with people, if you want, you learn a lot. but this time in the productive departments must be supported by a good theoretical basis.. if then besides deciding what equipment they need and how they have to be done, if you are also poor designer does not! logically, if you're in a big company or you're an analyst, times and methods, or you're a full-time designer, maybe a small company can do the two. .

 

[stevie]

Thank you for your answers and advice.

in the field where I would go they explained to me that I would also take care of the whole area of certification.
I wanted to ask if overall the work of analysis times and methods etc. it turns out to be too "burocratic" or you have the same the possibility to get in contact with the workshop and the actual production to

I see boredom on the horizon. . .

 

[Xy2010]

I see boredom on the horizon. . .

I do not know, however, if staying in the current company to learn little or nothing until a better proposal if it is more useful.
I don't want to find myself in the years and have "lost time" without putting into practice many of the knowledge learned during the studies.
Surely in my current situation I'm fine (except that I have to go a long way to get to work), I'm good with colleagues and owners, but what I miss is the chance to prove what I know.
and not be able to do it only because "it has always been done so" is frustrating

 

[stevie]

Yeah.
that of "has always been done so" is a cantilena that often feels sadly.
On the other hand, end up in a company where you don't even get in production and collect excel tables based on data handed down for generations could be even worse.

 

[Stan9411]

I don't want to find myself in the years and have "lost time" without putting into practice many of the knowledge learned during the studies.

I think you're doing a sea of useless paranoid.. you're young and you're still studying.
If this role you have been proposed doesn't convince you, stay where you are, wait and other proposals will come. or go find them, send resumes, answer ads.

from your words it almost seems that giving up this possibility, will cling you to your current work without giving you more hope..

Calm down.

 

[welcome to the machine]

my opinion absolutely personal: If you are involved in process analysis, optimizations etc., in the medium term you can take roads to managerial positions often very well paid but less "engineering" of the design. this even without having to put into the field every day what you studied.
If you do the designer, to emerge and rise in position you must be good, really, without shortcuts . no "furbation" will help you make career: or projects stuff that works or you can't tell anyone.
in summary:
management = to the long counts more the relational ability and analysis of the context than what you have studied
designer = if you go, flights; if you do not go ....(cf. alan ford)
I know that many will be in discrete and apologize, but this is what I have seen in 40 years of work and I do not consider one of the two best choices of the other.

 

[wert]

my opinion absolutely personal: If you are involved in process analysis, optimizations etc., in the medium term you can take roads to managerial positions often very well paid but less "engineering" of the design. this even without having to put into the field every day what you studied.
If you do the designer, to emerge and rise in position you must be good, really, without shortcuts . no "furbation" will help you make career: or projects stuff that works or you can't tell anyone.
in summary:
management = to the long counts more the relational ability and analysis of the context than what you have studied
designer = if you go, flights; if you do not go ....(cf. alan ford)
I know that many will be in discrete and apologize, but this is what I have seen in 40 years of work and I do not consider one of the two best choices of the other.

Your reasoning doesn't make a grin... But I bring you my testimony: years ago, after 6/7 years of good projects, I asked myself to be given the opportunity to play a role of greater responsibility. the answer was: but you are good at your job! Because I have to risk you being responsible, and then maybe we won't have the same surrender we have today that you're a designer... Then I realized that to grow I had to change company. a tip for the friend xy: to deal with certification for a designer is how to make maradona racattapalle... If you have the sacred fire for design, certification does not do for you.

 

[Stan9411]

@welcome to the machine, far from me contest the opinion of one with 40 years of experience behind me! !

but this is just the kind of speech that one of 24 years in my opinion should not be done .. one cannot begin to paranoid about whether his work will have in the future managerial implications, already at the first job.

24 years a person has to go to do the job he likes, learn, absorb, give everything himself in those 8-9 hours a day, pocket the salary and spend it with the girl or shit with friends. point!

otherwise we become office machines and we only homologue our lives and exclusively to professional success.

I'm sure what you say is true. I'm sore that it's a consideration you had to take for yourself.

 

[welcome to the machine]

You're right, even if I was hoping that he would share a tip to the "boy, make the designer and screw him up: nothing is worth the satisfaction of drawing pieces of iron that then move and work ". but if the message has not passed, it means I have expressed it badly. I have to do both the activities, but I only enjoy it when there is to design

 

[PIETRO2002]

@welcome to the machine, far from me contest the opinion of one with 40 years of experience behind me! !

but this is just the kind of speech that one of 24 years in my opinion should not be done .. one cannot begin to paranoid about whether his work will have in the future managerial implications, already at the first job.

24 years a person has to go to do the job he likes, learn, absorb, give everything himself in those 8-9 hours a day, pocket the salary and spend it with the girl or shit with friends. point!

otherwise we become office machines and we only homologue our lives and exclusively to professional success.

I'm sure what you say is true. I'm sore that it's a consideration you had to take for yourself.

Your words. But you also have to have the correctness of making him understand how the world turns, so he can choose better. .

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

years ago, after 6/7 years of good projects, I asked myself to be given the opportunity to play a role of greater responsibility. the answer was: but you are good at your job! Because I have to risk you being responsible, and then maybe we won't have the same surrender we have today that you're a designer.

Maybe they also read wikipedias like me... https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/principio_di_peter

 

[welcome to the machine]

You're right, too, and that's exactly what I meant: unfortunately, the pure designer to make room, although very good, must also have other qualities that nothing has to do with what, necessarily, loves. I say he loves because otherwise he wouldn't sleep with the clipboard on the bedside table (there are still bedside tables? ..) and the mind thinking about that strange movement to solve even when driving the car. Your experience confirms what I said. and I tell you more, almost with shame: I myself, when I see some boys who have that quid that makes them potential designers, I hope they never come to ask me to go to shop manager or post-sales service or anything else that separates them from design. so I predict well and bad rocket.... like many.

 

[Stan9411]

I understand .. but since I am much closer to the age of the boy than to your (40 years of experience.. or were you a prodigy child or now you have a sixty-six), I know very well that for a graduate the words “soldi” and “carriera” are very painful keys! !

If you tell him “by doing the designer or you’re very good or you’ll never have big salaries”, the thought will go directly to “fuck but I in two years wanted to buy me the new class a” or “if vabe, then home of my parents the next century” ..

One when he starts working is gaseous, some speeches are double-cut weapons.

and then the forward-looking that at 24 years had understood that the management branch is the one from the assured career, was always what in the classroom stood on the bales at all:-d

now he will also make the “junior project manager” in the usual parastatal mega company, but when you see him at the gatherings he doesn’t even know what the young module is.

passion, always before passion. .