compulsory training professionals - mechanical

[cacciatorino]

For some time the engineers enrolled in the albo (and I think also other professional categories) have the obligation to follow certified courses that release credits, penalty suspension from the albo.

apart from all the abuses that can be sent to those who invented this honest need which was absolutely not lacking, and secondly to the existence of these professional orders, the question:

Do you know online training platforms that provide mechanical engineering content? practically all courses found are in the civil/edile field, in which they basically teach you to fill in the right way the various paperwork.

my goal would be to satisfy the training obligation with the minimum possible commitment, both in time and in money.

 

[New Rider]

Hello hunter,

in the order of the experts (at least in my province) are recognized cfp regardless of the course carried out. I'll explain. I did a course with skf. that course did not preview the recognition of cfp. I have sent to the secretariat of the order the certificate of participation and the cfp recognition model which recognized me of the cfp.
other example.. If I do a technical English course that does not have cfp recognition the same by evaluating the board of the order of belonging may be recognized.
Obviously I have to be courses related to the subject of specialization.
no cooking classes or swimming courses... :

 

[cacciatorino]

Hello hunter,

in the order of the experts (at least in my province) are recognized cfp regardless of the course carried out. I'll explain. I did a course with skf. that course did not preview the recognition of cfp. I have sent to the secretariat of the order the certificate of participation and the cfp recognition model which recognized me of the cfp.
other example.. If I do a technical English course that does not have cfp recognition the same by evaluating the board of the order of belonging may be recognized.
Obviously I have to be courses related to the subject of specialization.
no cooking classes or swimming courses... :

Thank you. I'll try to do this.

 

[TETRASTORE]

to integrate what he wrote @hunter, I would like to point out that cfp can also be acquired for courses or training events not related to their profession or professional category, provided that they are accredited and present in the national database.

 

[cacciatorino]

to integrate what he wrote @hunter, I would like to point out that cfp can also be acquired for courses or training events not related to their profession or professional category, provided that they are accredited and present in the national database.

That's exactly what I want to avoid. I have little or no spare time and it would shock me to use it to learn how to fill out a fire card of a meeting room, to say....

 

[aiq]

It's a problem I have, too. In addition to arriving from the grand province the courses actually useful are nonexistent or at least rare. training I do it practically all out of province and out of region... if you see the proposals of the orders of the main Italian cities, you will find proposals that can be more inherent in your (and mine) need. . .
Hi.

 

[gerod]

Unfortunately engineers only accept training credits made on official channels. Unlike experts, architects, etc., if you go to courses at uncredited entities, you do not recognize the course.
You're right @cacciatorino to say that there are no courses for mechanics or designers... some order does something but often the information does not arrive or arrive and no law!
but the offer is poor.

that you may be passive, it is true. If someone realizes that you are operating as a free professional without credits, they may differ to the discipline board. I can assure you that orders do not cross-check but move on signaling. If they catch you, they can suspend you. But first they have to hear you and you could also defend yourself.
I remember that there are always those 15 cfp that are linked to your experience (just pay 7 € ... grrrr).
we at venezia something we did thanks also to the fact that with online seminars it was easier.
Hi.

 

[il teo]

My problem.
I suggest you put your soul in peace and do courses offered when available online.
Until now I've never found an interesting theme for pure mechanics, but amen.

Cni engineers are just civilians.

different if you want to invest, sometimes there are paid courses for example on metal structures (always therefore with a civil footprint) but something occasionally jumps out.

on the training site in the "event" tab is the list of accredited courses always updated

 

[Fulvio Romano]

@cacciatorino but do you do business related to the profession?

 

[cacciatorino]

@cacciatorino but do you do business related to the profession?

nothing that requires signatures and stamps. I sent an email to my order that to ask if I am actually also subject to the training obligation.

I see that the punitive suspension also has effect on the social security position. In the end, I will be self-certification, if I can take 15 cfp by paying 7 euro and risking the "censor" at most, I'm fine, as far as I'm concerned. having the criminal record in the order archive doesn't bother me much.

But it seems like you can go negative. If 30 credits are enough to be in order I would think that zero is the minimum value, instead I see that there are sanctions for those who lack 37 or more credits, maybe every year they lose a certain number. I prefer not to go check my position on the mying portal, because I don't want to trigger the algorithm that signals me as an default.

new disciplinary sanctions for inadequate architects​

We bring the direct comparison between the text in force and the modified one, in effect from next 30 April. In summary, the new disciplinary sanctions for the incomplete bows are:

1. Warning in case of non-acquisition up to a maximum of 6 cfp;
2. censura in case of non-acquisition between 7 and 18 cfp;
3. suspension of 15 days in case of non-acquisition between 19 and 24 cfp;
4. 25 days suspension in the case of non-acquisition between 25 and 36 cfp;
5. suspension of 40 days in case of non-acquisition equal to or greater than 37 cfp.

in the event that the enrolled in compliance with training obligations does not recover missing cfp in the following three years, the school of discipline may assess a attack of the penalty.

censorship and suspension, in what consist​

but in practice what are these disciplinary sanctions? We remember. The censorship consists of one formal note of bias communicated by the President of the College of Discipline, and notified by the judicial officer, with whom the defects committed are formally declared.


The suspension suspension instead behaves the real suspension from the exercise of the profession of architect: in that period of time it will not be possible to exercise the profession, and also the contextual temporary cancellation by arched, with consequences from the point of view benefits (the subscriber temporarily loses the requirements of enrollment as provided for in Article 7 of the Statute of the Archer).

 

[il teo]

If I may allow myself, I would suggest to recover credits: we never know what we can meet, especially at a social level.
I wouldn't look at the architects in case I was an engineer.
with online courses and self-certification in a year should be able to compensate.
"cfp are the professional training credits necessary to exercise the profession of engineer. to be (to remain registered ndr) enrolled in the professional register in fact it is necessary to prove to have acquired and to be in possession of at least 30 professional training credits, credits which at the end of each calendar year are subtracted from the engineer’s portfolio, “constricting it” annually to follow some vocational training courses, increasing its cfp up to a maximum of 120 cfp per year. "

 

[cacciatorino]

If I may allow myself, I would suggest to recover credits: we never know what we can meet, especially at a social level.
I wouldn't look at the architects in case I was an engineer.
with online courses and self-certification in a year should be able to compensate.
"cfp are the professional training credits necessary to exercise the profession of engineer. to be (to remain registered ndr) enrolled in the professional register in fact it is necessary to prove to have acquired and to be in possession of at least 30 professional training credits, credits which at the end of each calendar year are subtracted from the engineer’s portfolio, “constricting it” annually to follow some vocational training courses, increasing its cfp up to a maximum of 120 cfp per year. "

Sorry, I didn't notice that the rules were the architects'.

 

[cacciatorino]

If I may allow myself, I would suggest to recover credits: we never know what we can meet, especially at a social level.
I wouldn't look at the architects in case I was an engineer.
with online courses and self-certification in a year should be able to compensate.

It's just that I have very little spare time, and subtract it from my family and my personal interests to get rid of a bureaucratic obligation of no use puts me in a bad mood.

I've already had to spend thousands of euros of courses related to dl81 to have employees and a 4 printer as a most dangerous machine, and now I have to spend more for totally useless but mandatory courses....

As a rule, I'm not a complotist, but here's the suspicion that there is a lobby of trainers that force you to buy something you don't need starts to be visible.

 

[il teo]

It's just that I have very little spare time, and subtract it from my family and my personal interests to get rid of a bureaucratic obligation of no use puts me in a bad mood.

I've already had to spend thousands of euros of courses related to dl81 to have employees and a 4 printer as a most dangerous machine, and now I have to spend more for totally useless but mandatory courses....

As a rule, I'm not a complotist, but here's the suspicion that there is a lobby of trainers that force you to buy something you don't need starts to be visible.

Unfortunately... it is. .
with online courses the level of participation is not measured (who wants to mean. .intenda...
Unfortunately I do so sometimes.. especially for arguments that will never tangle me (thermal transmittance of aesthetic glass locks, for example.. . )

the business has been created, and also the cni offices and of the orders we unravel, to fury of 10 € registration to participant. .

 

[cacciatorino]

@cacciatorino but do you do business related to the profession?

He just called me the order I wrote to. They say that the cfps I have to have them for the sole reason to be enrolled in the archer, that it is enough to establish that I exercise the profession.

Clearly, the octuse reigns supreme, no one cares anything about robotics and automation courses, and I'm going to have to become an expert in lighting technology to get my credits.

 

[cacciatorino]

Unfortunately engineers only accept training credits made on official channels. Unlike experts, architects, etc., if you go to courses at uncredited entities, you do not recognize the course.
You're right @cacciatorino to say that there are no courses for mechanics or designers... some order does something but often the information does not arrive or arrive and no law!
but the offer is poor.

that you may be passive, it is true. If someone realizes that you are operating as a free professional without credits, they may differ to the discipline board. I can assure you that orders do not cross-check but move on signaling. If they catch you, they can suspend you. But first they have to hear you and you could also defend yourself.
I remember that there are always those 15 cfp that are linked to your experience (just pay 7 € ... grrrr).
we at venezia something we did thanks also to the fact that with online seminars it was easier.
Hi.

Do you know how to auto certify 15 credits? If I go to the platform, the button is inactive.

 

[paulpaul]

I believe that for the auto-certifcation 2021 the deadline was in March (or something like this)

 

[il teo]

I believe that for the auto-certifcation 2021 the deadline was in March (or something like this)

I confirm, unfortunately.. I don't know if there's a chance to force him after the deadline.

 

[stevie]

Hello
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[gerod]

If you want, before it comes out of my order, we could arrange something. I've tried, but few abductions. therefore it is true that they do courses only for civil ing but it is also true that the other categories do not participate.
If someone has teachers or wants to do teaching, well I accept.
I'm out soon, but I could still arrange. Maybe a webinar so you can follow it from home
Hi.