work planning agency on consulting

[macista]

Good evening,

This discussion is purely personal and I already know that it depends on me and what I want to do, but I think it is good to hear the opinion of people who know more about me and who have already experienced it.

I am a 21 year old boy and I have been working for 2 years in a design company.

I came up with a proposal from a consulting design agency (centin of employees and works for companies with hundreds of employees) and I am interested in the idea of accepting it.

I have already done all the selective iter and have passed it but my main reason is to grow professionally and I would like to understand if you can offer me what I look for.

the company where I work currently is moving me by necessity towards the documentation of the machine, which I hate to do, I do not see myself in the long term doing manuals of use and maintenance.

Is a consultancy planning agency able to offer me the training I need?
Is there a risk of finding myself thrown into a little village to ask me what I'm doing?
Am I a fool who wants to leave a safe job 5 minutes from home for the only will to grow?


Is my main question? Usually who works for consulting design agencies is formed I is left to disembark to do monotomous jobs?

This is the proposal that they made me:

• contract ccnl 5th level (14 monthly) (easy to be negotiated at the 4th level)
• Undetermined time
• ral 23506.28 (including stability pact) (for 2 years 100 euros more on the pay envelope but if you decide to leave before there is to pay the gross of 24 monthly (lord of 2400 euros)

• diary allowances, which will be paid when you are allotted on a contract according to the distance between the venue where the project (customer) is carried out and our headquarters as the following detail:
• distance <30 km: allowance up to a maximum value of 10 euro net / days per day worked;
• distance between 30 km and 150 km: Indemnity up to a maximum value of 25 euro net / days per day worked;
• distance between 150 km and 200 km: Indemnity up to a maximum value of 35 euro net / days per day worked;
• distance between 200 km and 300 km: Indemnity up to a maximum value of 40 euro net / days per day worked;

• overtime, if performed, will be paid as provided by ccnl;
• lunch included;
• access corporate welfare plan;
• free access to academy (technical work support material)
• initial training between 2 weeks and 1.5 months where you will be prepared according to the project to which you will be assigned;
• hospitality ( lunch included) during stay in place waiting to be assigned to a new project

 

[meccanicamg]

I would say that this adventure can give you opportunity because the agency usually signs you but then you go to the companies... always different and that's where you have to open eyes and ears.
If you're a smart guy, it's time to fly. one day you will have family and commitments... and you will have to slow down the pilgrimage.

 

[macista]

Thank you very much, really. @meccanicamg

 

[wert]

hi, I can't tell you whether this proposal is to be accepted or not (I don't know what your current pay is) but I can say that if you're doing a job you don't like and/or don't like, then you need to change it. Moreover at your age you can afford to make experiences (although some companies don't like the fact that one can change too often, so be careful not to exaggerate...). What happens if you leave after 23 months? do you have to pay the full penalty (2400 euros) or only for the month you would miss to end the agreed period? in case it was the first option, I frankly would not accept it.... Who says you really like work? Two years in a company you don't like are not so few... or that another company contacts you and makes you a better proposal after 6 months you work there? At the moment I would give up those 100 euros and I would be free to move without substantiating to capestro constraints.

 

[haga78]

the proposal that made you look like "serious", considering also what many companies propose today...
If already what you do now you don't like so much it is worth changing, at least you have some chance to do something for you more interesting.
only doubt I would have is on the diary: is an extra that is given to you with which you have to provide for expenses related to staying out of the house (hotel, food, travel etc...)? or in any case the costs of food and accommodation are paid by the list company and the diaria represents an extra compensation? because 40 euros/day are few if you have to pay us the expenses.. .

 

[Stefano_GS]

two doubts:
as already mentioned by haga78 on the detail of definition of diary
moving to the customer's seat, would you have access to a company, is organized by the company, you have to provide in your own (with or without refund? )

for the rest you are young, try now

 

[macista]

hi, I can't tell you whether this proposal is to be accepted or not (I don't know what your current pay is) but I can say that if you're doing a job you don't like and/or don't like, then you need to change it. Moreover at your age you can afford to make experiences (although some companies don't like the fact that one can change too often, so be careful not to exaggerate...). What happens if you leave after 23 months? do you have to pay the full penalty (2400 euros) or only for the month you would miss to end the agreed period? in case it was the first option, I frankly would not accept it.... Who says you really like work? Two years in a company you don't like are not so few... or that another company contacts you and makes you a better proposal after 6 months you work there? At the moment I would give up those 100 euros and I would be free to move without substantiating to capestro constraints.

This stability pact is another reason why I have rethinking.
It would mean for me to decide now my next two years without knowing whether actually the work I will do will be for me formative or not.
Besides, it adds the fact that as you say if I decided to leave a month earlier I would still be forced to pay the Lord of 2400 euro net.
I'd gladly give up but I don't think it's an option.

 

[macista]

the proposal that made you look like "serious", considering also what many companies propose today...
If already what you do now you don't like so much it is worth changing, at least you have some chance to do something for you more interesting.
only doubt I would have is on the diary: is an extra that is given to you with which you have to provide for expenses related to staying out of the house (hotel, food, travel etc...)? or in any case the costs of food and accommodation are paid by the list company and the diaria represents an extra compensation? because 40 euros/day are few if you have to pay us the expenses.. .

I am not an extra, with that diara I have to pay us all travel expenses (travel, rent, transport or fuel).
and 40 euros per day are only in case you go to work in a company far more than 200 km..

 

[macista]

two doubts:
as already mentioned by haga78 on the detail of definition of diary
moving to the customer's seat, would you have access to a company, is organized by the company, you have to provide in your own (with or without refund? )

for the rest you are young, try now

This is the fact, I don't want to continue doing a job I don't like, but I don't even want to take the longest step of the leg for the rush.

 

[Filosofo_83]

ciao @macista I have worked for almost seven years for consulting companies.
in my experience, I never had a training before leaving on the project, and some went wrong, inexperience.
there was a first project in which you went to the customer, you worked in the same office consultants and employees; I was part of a team and I had a senior colleague who helped me if I needed it.

the basic problem of consulting is that the customer pays a high amount, and the company turns you a 30% of that amount between ral and contributions.
So the consultancy company only wants to close a contract, and as you see they also want to bind you for two years, because the project they want to allocate will last at least two years.

the client will never be willing to train you because otherwise he would take an intern, which would cost him a tenth.
starts with the idea that it doesn't work as if you were addicted to a company, you're more uncertain and stressed. Of course if you like you have no problem, but you must have flexibility and dynamism otherwise you will not be happy.

you also mentioned a couple of weeks of preparation; I feel quite serious but trust that the only thing that can really help you is the presence of a senior partner who helps you if you have any doubts or find that command on the cad.

about the trips, they are a little with the short arm, my transfers were from 15€/day within 25 km, then there was a 35€ band and, over 60 km you received 46,48€.
the transfer serves to pay your travels and there are two methods: the reimbursement of costs per list (km according to rates aci+pedals) or the flat rate with a fixed quota for each working day. Obviously in the second case if you take the accommodation near the client company save money.

my advice:
- make sure you have some colleagues at the client who helps you.
- if it is not in abruzzo raises a bit the heral, or refunds expenses
- in your current company explains to the superiors you want to design and not do manuals

your current job is safe, a few miles from home, you don't have to pay rent or rent etc so I would be cautious for you. I was in Milan and I know what it means to have a salary with which you can't even rent a two-room apartment (e.g. 1200€ salary and 1400€ rent out of the center).
On the other hand, if you're not learning anything about your current job, and your company doesn't think about making you grow (although slowly) it makes sense that you're looking for something else.

 

[macista]

ciao @macistaI have worked for almost seven years for consulting companies.
in my experience, I never had a training before leaving on the project, and some went wrong, inexperience.
there was a first project in which you went to the customer, you worked in the same office consultants and employees; I was part of a team and I had a senior colleague who helped me if I needed it.

the basic problem of consulting is that the customer pays a high amount, and the company turns you a 30% of that amount between ral and contributions.
So the consultancy company only wants to close a contract, and as you see they also want to bind you for two years, because the project they want to allocate will last at least two years.

the client will never be willing to train you because otherwise he would take an intern, which would cost him a tenth.
starts with the idea that it doesn't work as if you were addicted to a company, you're more uncertain and stressed. Of course if you like you have no problem, but you must have flexibility and dynamism otherwise you will not be happy.

you also mentioned a couple of weeks of preparation; I feel quite serious but trust that the only thing that can really help you is the presence of a senior partner who helps you if you have any doubts or find that command on the cad.

about the trips, they are a little with the short arm, my transfers were from 15€/day within 25 km, then there was a 35€ band and, over 60 km you received 46,48€.
the transfer serves to pay your travels and there are two methods: the reimbursement of costs per list (km according to rates aci+pedals) or the flat rate with a fixed quota for each working day. Obviously in the second case if you take the accommodation near the client company save money.

my advice:
- make sure you have some colleagues at the client who helps you.
- if it is not in abruzzo raises a bit the heral, or refunds expenses
- in your current company explains to the superiors you want to design and not do manuals

your current job is safe, a few miles from home, you don't have to pay rent or rent etc so I would be cautious for you. I was in Milan and I know what it means to have a salary with which you can't even rent a two-room apartment (e.g. 1200€ salary and 1400€ rent out of the center).
On the other hand, if you're not learning anything about your current job, and your company doesn't think about making you grow (although slowly) it makes sense that you're looking for something else.

Thank you for sharing your experience. .
You were really exhaustive and you made me clear some important doubts.