Spa01
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Okay, now that I understand my "value ", what do you recommend me to scale this profession? Sorry, but I really thought I was doing something important. . .
MassiVonWeizen
Guest
work, study, curiosity, patience.
Spa01
Guest
massive, is there a way to change the message first so as to remove the pictures and link to the site? thanks for the advice, I will try to follow them even if patience is not my strong even if solidworks teaches you to have it
MassiVonWeizen
Guest
If you had read the rules, you would know
Spa01
Guest
can some moderator kindly cancel the discussion? Thank you.
MassiVonWeizen
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if no moderator read this discussion how does he know about your request? Write a private message or, in a discussion, place the @ symbol in front of the moderator's name to draw attention.
I thought of something: you write that you did 4 years of cfp, which would mean professional school; Here, it turns out to me that these years are considered as an apprentice (at least it was in my time 25 years ago). If that were you could not be framed that way unless your corporate qualification is different from that of studies (if you studied as welder and are hired as a geometer for example).
Spa01
Guest
I'll write a private message. . .
Anyway, I'm telling you that maybe I would have a decent experience and I shouldn't be apprenticed until 25 years... as in germany and in Swiss that while you qualify professionally you also have a company to follow and that makes your school years worth as an apprentice, here I did something but in 4 years they recognize only 6 months... and this company is the same as I did the alternation in apprenticeship to be hired as an apprentice. . .
MassiVonWeizen
Guest
the speech of the apprentice does not concern how much experience you would have, but the value of the school path.
a professional school being structured to prepare directly for a job (many practice to understand) should be worth an apprenticeship.
This means that when taking this step has already been completed and taking it can be done with other introductory forms (e.g. training contract) which have better valorisation.
There is a ccnl which defines frameworks, tasks, salaries; Did you look at him before you complain about being underestimated or exploited? Did you talk to a patronage?
a professional school being structured to prepare directly for a job (many practice to understand) should be worth an apprenticeship.
This means that when taking this step has already been completed and taking it can be done with other introductory forms (e.g. training contract) which have better valorisation.
There is a ccnl which defines frameworks, tasks, salaries; Did you look at him before you complain about being underestimated or exploited? Did you talk to a patronage?
Spa01
Guest
I'm sorry, I don't know, but this is how I am now... you say that it's in line with my school frame and as you have also made a professional path, did you manage to assert yourself with the experience? And if you know, how far can I get with my diploma? Thank you.MassiVonWeizen
Guest
apart from that I do not know what that image is, they are things to ask a patronage that on these things generally does free advice.
Yes, my 3 years of cfp as a lather had the value of apprenticeship and so I was hired with a training contract that was slightly better than the apprentice, attention that we talk about 28 years ago...
Yes, my 3 years of cfp as a lather had the value of apprenticeship and so I was hired with a training contract that was slightly better than the apprentice, attention that we talk about 28 years ago...
Spa01
Guest
I'm just... Well, I'll talk to you, but I think I'm in line with the path just that I think I'm a joke going from a school apprenticeship to a job, and then when you end up going to the base of the ccnl base of any designer. . even if I think we can negotiate with the employer
DrBarde
Guest
apart from that there is no reference ccnl, if it were the old metalmechanic (han changed the names lately) a 5th ccnl metalmechanic level is not 1000€ per month.
Spa01
Guest
Is there a ccnl for the figure of the technical designer? the company is part of the metallurgical craftsmanship... Well, as Mass says, I have to go to a patronage. . .
MassiVonWeizen
Guest
Okay, that would be the extremes of your contract then... It says that the role you were hired with is not inherent in the title of study achieved (you studied as a lather and you are framed as a welder for example) so the apprenticeship is there. I already wrote this.
that then the work that you do is what you studied (returner to stay on the example) is another pair of sleeves and it must be discussed with the employer, but on the card things are that you have to do the apprenticeship.
On the other hand, in a professional school you do not come out as a designer who instead is of a itis or superior.
that then the work that you do is what you studied (returner to stay on the example) is another pair of sleeves and it must be discussed with the employer, but on the card things are that you have to do the apprenticeship.
On the other hand, in a professional school you do not come out as a designer who instead is of a itis or superior.
Spa01
Guest
Well you say that this additional duct because with 4th year I can't sign the drawings but still I have a diploma in digital prototyping, at school we made 3d molding and "technical design" on solidworks... but maybe not enough, I will try to inform you I will let you know
TECNOMODEL
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If you think that the school can form enough for the world of work you are completely out of the way.
gives you the basics, knowledge of basic things, but then the real job is another pair of sleeves.
know, however, that even if you had to change company you would probably find yourself as a leader, because any company if it hires a 21-year-old boy does so with formulas that allow it to save as much as possible, to compensate for the lack of autonomy and poor productivity of the same, as well as the time it has to employ to form it.
Spa01
Guest
Well, at the end, I have to do the trick, the work I like and the bosses are constantly updating on business developments so maybe I just have to concentrate on it and absorb it as a sponge... But I would like to go to mechanical design over time instead of carpentry, I hope there is a possibility
TECNOMODEL
Guest
If your company also makes mechanics you should have the chance, otherwise you should change.
attention because without a minimum of experience it becomes difficult to get hired, unless you are willing to start again from scratch, including salary.
Spa01
Guest
any of you who designs steel structures or particular steel/wood constructions, do you know if there is any chance of growth? According to me in mechanics there are more microsetters and more varieties, my dream in this field would come to design automated plants for industries from 0... obviously in years and years... But I wanted to figure out where I should go in that case... so even if I had to start again maybe now that I'm still at the beginning I try to see what possibilities are in my area
DrBarde
Guest
rather vague.
an account is an automated coating plant for example, another is an automated power plant.
n account is to make a product, another is to pack it.
I think it must, first of all, understand where he wants to go and what opportunities he makes available to the territory where he lives or where he intends to live.