worknc per stampi.

[marman]

Hello, everyone. I'm considering an intake proposal in a company where they make die casting molds.
they use worknc as cam software...I have never seen it or used it... is there someone who uses it x tasks like that?if you find yourself?precise and defects?
thank you to those who want to answer me.
Hello everyone

 

[mat72mila]

Hello, everyone. I'm considering an intake proposal in a company where they make die casting molds.
they use worknc as cam software...I have never seen it or used it... is there someone who uses it x tasks like that?if you find yourself?precise and defects?
thank you to those who want to answer me.
Hello everyone

Hi.
I only saw your question now.
I make molds and for two months I started using wnc.
I don't feel well, I think it and with a 90's setting layout.
Moreover it is slow and in the roughnesses and shoots of roughness makes me despair!
How are you?
Hi.

 

[marman]

Hello, mat72 thousand,
I then eventually did not accept mah repented....cmq in many companies that I saw use worknc x the production of molds of various kinds and industry....I also tried to do research in other social and see what they do who use it....and I have to say that they do good jobs.... maybe you just have to get in the software x use it and make it go 100%.
I use toptron always x mold industry and I also find myself very well..... is a great software...... what you used before you changed?and what you did?
Hello and thank you.... good work .

 

[Vittorio]

I add to the discussion.
I also make die casting aluminum
from 2006 to 2014 I used worknc
nothing to say, a great software.
we went to hypermill because, at that time, worknc did not puncture from a 3d model.
Surely now he will, but going back doesn't talk about it.
I think the evolution of the cams is always on the move.
a software does not do a certain thing about the other.. then in a month the situation is overturned.
the best software is what we know to use

 

[mat72mila]

Hello, mat72 thousand,
I then eventually did not accept mah repented....cmq in many companies that I saw use worknc x the production of molds of various kinds and industry....I also tried to do research in other social and see what they do who use it....and I have to say that they do good jobs.... maybe you just have to get in the software x use it and make it go 100%.
I use toptron always x mold industry and I also find myself very well..... is a great software...... what you used before you changed?and what you did?
Hello and thank you.... good work .

Bye-bye
I make plastic molds.
I work with mold design, modifications, product setup and cam.
as cam arrival by mastercam version a little dated and auton, that now for a few years has become esprit... sin.
However to unify the cams between the locations we went to use wnc.
for now I am not for the reasons mentioned above, especially for the roughing and shooting; example start with a tool d10 and imposed overmetal +0.3, then put tool d4 with same overmetal.
the d4 only has to go back where the d10 does not pass, but for these operations I do not find it performing.
I think one has to start "tributing" in the finishes, but to roughen up and resume no! otherwise we return to the 90s!
however as it says victorious the best software and what we know to use

 

[marman]

I add to the discussion.
I also make die casting aluminum
from 2006 to 2014 I used worknc
nothing to say, a great software.
we went to hypermill because, at that time, worknc did not puncture from a 3d model.
Surely now he will, but going back doesn't talk about it.
I think the evolution of the cams is always on the move.
a software does not do a certain thing about the other.. then in a month the situation is overturned.
the best software is what we know to use

Hello victorious,
I sincerely hipermill see it and I have always seen it as a general mechanical x software. ...predominantly....then maybe I'm wrong...cmq my concept of designing and programming molds goes towards an integrated cad cam....and you do everything.....you would explain to me a little bit the world die casting mold and also what you do....? of where are you?
hello thank you and good work.....

 

[marman]

Bye-bye
I make plastic molds.
I work with mold design, modifications, product setup and cam.
as cam arrival by mastercam version a little dated and auton, that now for a few years has become esprit... sin.
However to unify the cams between the locations we went to use wnc.
for now I am not for the reasons mentioned above, especially for the roughing and shooting; example start with a tool d10 and imposed overmetal +0.3, then put tool d4 with same overmetal.
the d4 only has to go back where the d10 does not pass, but for these operations I do not find it performing.
I think one has to start "tributing" in the finishes, but to roughen up and resume no! otherwise we return to the 90s!
however as it says victorious the best software and what we know to use

Hello, mat,
In fact, from d10 to d4 in recovery should go only where the d10 does not pass and leaves material. I don't know. I can't say much instead.
Where are you...? I also work in the world of plastics.... I am of venetian...
hello good work

 

[mat72mila]

Hello, mat,
In fact, from d10 to d4 in recovery should go only where the d10 does not pass and leaves material. I don't know. I can't say much instead.
Where are you...? I also work in the world of plastics.... I am of venetian...
hello good work

Bye-bye
I'm from Milan.
strange that you never had to deal with mastercams, from your spopola parts
the most recent versions process really beautiful routes, without an edge and with all the smooth spouts, a cool one.
... however another thing of wnc that I do not like is that in the trim of shouldering in contouring does not stop on the edge of the edges but turns slightly around; and I can not and extend in tangency the workmanship or to stop the tool in halfway on the edge.
in the parameters there is the extensive processing check but it is always blocked!
you will understand, with mould closures that require notes of edges to "rasol"
the assistance told me that you have to protect the edge by building support surfaces; 90's help
bhoo
How do you behave in those cases?
I also saw on youtube making scary cinemas; part cad.

Hi.

 

[Vittorio]

Hello victorious,
I sincerely hipermill see it and I have always seen it as a general mechanical x software. ...predominantly....then maybe I'm wrong...cmq my concept of designing and programming molds goes towards an integrated cad cam....and you do everything.....you would explain to me a little bit the world die casting mold and also what you do....? of where are you?
hello thank you and good work.....

ciao Hometo say that it is mainly a software for general mechanics, you will have tried it, I think.
we use it since 2014 and we make die casting moulds aluminum automotive industry.
We are happy, even in the toughest part of the 5assi.
I mainly deal with mold design with catiav5-6, but it also happens to program cncs with hypermill, mainly for milling the matrices.

Since I've been using it for a long time, I think I know it well and like all the software you can use.. are the best ,

I also knew worknc well (well he too) but I must say that there were no regrets for the hypermill passage.

as already said the passage was for the lack of worknc in the holes based on the model 3d.. and at that time he was quite backward if not unproved.

regarding integrated cad-cam... I have to say that before choosing, we also tried the catheia machining, but it was even more backward than worknc. not to mention the cost-saving.

on integrated cad-cams I would have perplexities on "you do everything."I prefer a stand-alone software, less complicated to manage considering that, in the company, there are other colleagues who program cncs and are not interested in mold 3d modeling.

 

[PIETRO2002]

in its small, fusion360 has the integrated cam, so if you make corrections on the 3d model automatically update the tool paths, logically if you add a workmanship that before there was no need to be added also in the cam part..

 

[Vittorio]

in its small, fusion360 has the integrated cam, so if you make corrections on the 3d model automatically update the tool paths, logically if you add a workmanship that before there was no need to be added also in the cam part..

ciao @ pietro2002if who program the cnc is the one who model the 3d, ok the integrated cam could have its advantages.
Let us see, instead, the aspect that those who program the cnc is not the one who generates the 3d.
with this scenario, you must alert the programmer of change.
generally those who program the cnc create surfaces, which have nothing to do with the 3d model of the finished piece, but are surfaces that only serve and exclusively for processing.
can be protective surfaces or surfaces with a different overmetal for subsequent shooting, or colored surfaces differently from the original 3d model to group them and assign a milling strategy.
all things that mold the mold.. It can hardly understand and predict.
for this reason I prefer the stand-alone, because it is completely independent from the 3d model of the piece and does not conflict with the strategies and modifications of the programmer.
the programmer, once alerted, recharges the model (step) and automatism of my software are highlighted solo the surfaces changed and are replaced with the obsolete ones, leaving unchanged all the considerations and modifications of the programmer.
I hope to be explained with this boring sermon . di

 

[PIETRO2002]

ciao @ pietro2002if who program the cnc is the one who model the 3d, ok the integrated cam could have its advantages.
Let us see, instead, the aspect that those who program the cnc is not the one who generates the 3d.
with this scenario, you must alert the programmer of change.
generally those who program the cnc create surfaces, which have nothing to do with the 3d model of the finished piece, but are surfaces that only serve and exclusively for processing.
can be protective surfaces or surfaces with a different overmetal for subsequent shooting, or colored surfaces differently from the original 3d model to group them and assign a milling strategy.
all things that mold the mold.. It can hardly understand and predict.
for this reason I prefer the stand-alone, because it is completely independent from the 3d model of the piece and does not conflict with the strategies and modifications of the programmer.
the programmer, once alerted, recharges the model (step) and automatism of my software are highlighted solo the surfaces changed and are replaced with the obsolete ones, leaving unchanged all the considerations and modifications of the programmer.
I hope to be explained with this boring sermon . di

No, it's not a sermon. It's something useful. I assume that I have no practical experience of cam, I know inventor and I have been able to see fusion360, it is modeled in 3d, the model is immediately used in cam environment without any passage ( step ) here the camista that naturally can be who designed the piece, or who does the program, defines all the parameters to run the program and makes the post process, to send to the machine, if I change a geometry on the piece the cam program automatically updates. Of course, if the designer's 3d doesn't fit well, he can easily change it, but the beauty is that there is no passage with a neutral file. I hope I didn't write crap, given my ignorance in the industry

 

[Vittorio]

Of course, if the designer's 3d isn't good, he can easily change it.

This is another aspect of the native file that worries me.
that the camcorder can intervene on a parametric file with changes.
and the parametric is dangerous, just touch a parameter and if you do not know the consequences happens the disaster.
You should create mechanisms to prevent you from modifying the native file... so much it can pass the step.
if then the cammista is also the performer of the 3d Moldovan ... then the integrated cam goes well.

 

[PIETRO2002]

This is another aspect of the native file that worries me.
that the camcorder can intervene on a parametric file with changes.
and the parametric is dangerous, just touch a parameter and if you do not know the consequences happens the disaster.
You should create mechanisms to prevent you from modifying the native file... so much it can pass the step.
if then the cammista is also the performer of the 3d Moldovan ... then the integrated cam goes well.

There are procedures to block the changes, but so doing the cammist can no longer do anything, going against the needs you were talking about! It is not possible to have everything, and every solution has pros and cons, I believe that we must define productive / organizational procedures in order to limit the possible "costosi" errors to the lumicino.

 

[Vittorio]

There are procedures to block the changes, but so doing the cammist can no longer do anything, going against the needs you were talking about! It is not possible to have everything, and every solution has pros and cons, I believe that we must define productive / organizational procedures in order to limit the possible "costosi" errors to the lumicino.

That's the point. eliminate errors.
if you pass a step file.. you are protected from any damage to parametric modeling.
The Cammist can solo add or change what he needs.
but in general are modifications aimed at milling, type of colors to differentiate the area to work, or profiles to delimite the working zone. or surfaces to stop the holes and not to precipitate the cut into it.. etc. etc.
all changes that become difficult to communicate to those who modeled the 3d to update it.
So... the cammist does all his beautiful considerations, then comes the new model and you have to repeat everything. bho.. it seems a little fucked up.
while I step it.. reload and replace only what has been modified, because in most cams there is a mechanism that highlights only the change compared to the previous one.
Everything else remains.
in the reality of my company, this is the safest aspect, for others it can be fascinating to use the native file for the immediacy of the modification, but the risks are lagging.
even if you pass a step file the calculations are updated because the cam hears that something has been changed compared to the previous one.
But I don't want to convince anyone.. each has its own realities

 

[PIETRO2002]

That's the point. eliminate errors.
if you pass a step file.. you are protected from any damage to parametric modeling.
The Cammist can solo add or change what he needs.
but in general are modifications aimed at milling, type of colors to differentiate the area to work, or profiles to delimite the working zone. or surfaces to stop the holes and not to precipitate the cut into it.. etc. etc.
all changes that become difficult to communicate to those who modeled the 3d to update it.
So... the cammist does all his beautiful considerations, then comes the new model and you have to repeat everything. bho.. it seems a little fucked up.
while I step it.. reload and replace only what has been modified, because in most cams there is a mechanism that highlights only the change compared to the previous one.
Everything else remains.
in the reality of my company, this is the safest aspect, for others it can be fascinating to use the native file for the immediacy of the modification, but the risks are lagging.
even if you pass a step file the calculations are updated because the cam hears that something has been changed compared to the previous one.
But I don't want to convince anyone.. each has its own realities

I understand victorious, just do the right procedures as I said, in the end it doesn't seem complex to pass the communications, the characters are two seems to me: the mold designer and the operator cam. If for example you use a pdm (for inventor is vault) you can put the writing/reading permits, the cam operator can take its source file if it saves it by its name and does what it wants, no one beyond him can change it, taking on the final responsibility. If the designer changes something, the design code will be different or for suffix or revision, at this point the cam operator follows the iter described before, then if just one wants to make mistakes he has the faculty! :

 

[Vittorio]

Okay, pietro.
we have come to close the brackets of this discussion that certainly has come out of the topic :roflmao:
By concluding, integrated cam no, with a minimum of commitment you can do harm tohahahaha :roflmao:.
Good evening pietro

 

[PIETRO2002]

Okay, pietro.
we have come to close the brackets of this discussion that certainly has come out of the topic :roflmao:
By concluding, integrated cam no, with a minimum of commitment you can do harm tohahahaha :roflmao:.
Good evening pietro

exact, few ideas and well confused! we just came out of the theme and the poem! :roflmao::roflmao:

 

[marman]

Bye-bye
I'm from Milan.
strange that you never had to deal with mastercams, from your spopola parts
the most recent versions process really beautiful routes, without an edge and with all the smooth spouts, a cool one.
... however another thing of wnc that I do not like is that in the trim of shouldering in contouring does not stop on the edge of the edges but turns slightly around; and I can not and extend in tangency the workmanship or to stop the tool in halfway on the edge.
in the parameters there is the extensive processing check but it is always blocked!
you will understand, with mould closures that require notes of edges to "rasol"
the assistance told me that you have to protect the edge by building support surfaces; 90's help
bhoo
How do you behave in those cases?
I also saw on youtube making scary cinemas; part cad.

Hi.

Hello, mat.
to tell you the truth mastercam always heard speak buth I never heard anyone use it....I swear that I did not know anyone who uses it....
...we use them every day to finish the molds outside and I have to tell you that they are perfect....spigoli keeps them alive where necessary ....or radiates them according to the cad....cmq without problems ...... I'm sure that having to build a surface x ovviate the problem of the living edges and not to follow the cad is na bullshit....with an ancient procedure. .

 

[marman]

ciao Hometo say that it is mainly a software for general mechanics, you will have tried it, I think.
we use it since 2014 and we make die casting moulds aluminum automotive industry.
We are happy, even in the toughest part of the 5assi.
I mainly deal with mold design with catiav5-6, but it also happens to program cncs with hypermill, mainly for milling the matrices.

Since I've been using it for a long time, I think I know it well and like all the software you can use.. are the best ,

I also knew worknc well (well he too) but I must say that there were no regrets for the hypermill passage.

as already said the passage was for the lack of worknc in the holes based on the model 3d.. and at that time he was quite backward if not unproved.

regarding integrated cad-cam... I have to say that before choosing, we also tried the catheia machining, but it was even more backward than worknc. not to mention the cost-saving.

on integrated cad-cams I would have perplexities on "you do everything."I prefer a stand-alone software, less complicated to manage considering that, in the company, there are other colleagues who program cncs and are not interested in mold 3d modeling.

Hello victorious.... I spoke to those who use it and knowing what they do I made this idea... And obviously wrong, since you use it and you're fine. .

I say "do it all" x say that you can several from the cad to the cam without having to always export the cad x import into the cam.....and if I have to make a simple change there is always the need to export and import the files ...counting that the surfaces a little could "move" or cmq undergo some involuntary changes.... having cad cam this doesn't happen...