workstation inventor configuration

[Mr. Hauza]

Good evening, everyone. I've been asking for advice for a while. I should buy a new workstation in the office and I wanted feedback from you. all those purchased in the past have never convinced me so much. we unfortunately in the office work with together many large (40-50k parts). Is there any one of you who uses inventors for very large assemblies and who has to advise me on what features must have a workstation that is really reactive?
my biggest doubt is that inventor is a fairly slow and slender sw, I would like to see a really snappy and responsive pc also spending an important figure but at least that meets my needs. according to your need is a machine that, together with this flow, can I have really reduced lags to a minimum? I sometimes use it 4-5 minutes only for opening a set. thanks to anyone who will help me in the configuration of a super workstation.

 

[dsw]

What are the features of your current workstations?
how is it structured internally (network, server, etc.)?
Moreover, it is very important to understand how you handle the axioms of this size, because usually you use derivatives and other similar systems for large axioms.
software and hardware may not be the problem of slowness, even using the best hardware the problem "maybe" could improve.

 

[Mr. Hauza]

Hello, thank you for the answer. PCs are on the network and all access the server where there are all folders of the various jobs. Sometimes everyone works on different projects and sometimes we are even more than 1 person on the same project.
we already use derivatives even if they cannot do miracles. Our axioms on average are 20-30k files. for organizational issues, interior spaces, man steps, and connection with existing structures we design the whole plant. stairs, tralicci, connecting bridges, walks, walls, doors, canals, graves... of all in short. It is difficult to lower too much the level of drawings because it is all executive and we need to see everything and unfortunately we also work very much with the first level, not managing to structure much the tree since all these components are all on the same "level". the last workstation has an i9 of 13th generation, 96gb of ram and a 4000 picture with 16gb of dedicated memory. Of course everything ssd. the fact that inventor does not work well (or at all) on the multi core is a huge limitation. I would like to understand if someone in similar conditions can have better performance with different machines. Thank you all.

 

[dsw]

as I imagined the internal "structure" of work is what I consider the "standard".

It seems useless to me to say that, as you said and how it is known (multicore inventor), also buying a workstation with a better cpu is not said that the situation is resolved definitively (reference for comparison for your current cpu benchmark cpu single thread e benchmark highend cpu).

As for the 96gb ram, you should see how much maximum ram is used when you charge one of these assemblies, to have an idea on the use by inventor of the ram (it would be simple to say take a ws with 256gb ram and then inventor does not exploit it full).

Starting from the base, the foundations I imagine, you can create subaxis of the structures or by zones, creating derivatives or single components exported from the subaxis (.ipt).

for my experience, if you want to get better performance the principle is always the same, more divided and the more software is fast.

 

[Mr. Hauza]

I know. Unfortunately, they are all things that I knew in pain. the ram, currently an average project requires me between 20 and 30 gb. If I doubled the ram I know for sure that I would blow it. But the bottleneck I think is always the processor. even to import a step, save a table, create a derivative...the waiting times are always in the order of minutes. I just want a little extra reactivity. the counter to divide in many under assemblies is that then to open in files I have to make many more clicks. Unfortunately we are almost 20 in the office and I have to try to meet the needs of all. To enforce the rules to all is not easy at all. from 20-year-old to 60-year-old is anarchy dal
I would still like to have feedback from those who manipulate so great that pcs have in the company. I don't think we're the only ones who have so many assemblies. I just want a few comparisons.

 

[Peppe]

for past experiences I always used hp workstations and with so big assemblies I used xeon double processor machine
the characteristics of your machines seem to me of all respect for the use you make.
but do you have a pdm or work without it?

 

[Mr. Hauza]

for past experiences I always used hp workstations and with so big assemblies I used xeon double processor machine
the characteristics of your machines seem to me of all respect for the use you make.
but do you have a pdm or work without it?

I often thought about taking a xeon, maybe even double processor, but then I don't want inventor to exploit it. I always have that fear. How's your experience? How did you find yourself with double processor? Do you use both inventors?
No pdl. What do you use?

 

[Peppe]

the double processor is exploited a lot during the generation of views on the tables and I must say that the difference is felt.
I use pdm qs computer and I have to say that I am absolutely satisfied and never return back. Since your technical office I highly recommend you use a pdm for a myriad of reasons, number of users, document management, document search or more.
definitely at the beginning is a blood bath especially if you start having to "move" an internal technical archive, but with the help of the technicians it is all possible

 

[dsw]

from 20 years to 60 years is anarchy

ok, without pdm and anarchy...

 

[Mr. Hauza]

the double processor is exploited a lot during the generation of views on the tables and I must say that the difference is felt.
I use pdm qs computer and I have to say that I am absolutely satisfied and never return back. Since your technical office I highly recommend you use a pdm for a myriad of reasons, number of users, document management, document search or more.
definitely at the beginning is a blood bath especially if you start having to "move" an internal technical archive, but with the help of the technicians it is all possible

It is something I have to evaluate, both the double xeon and the pdm. I would be curious to understand technically how it works. what processes undergo the files, which "road" do. I don't want that before opening 30k files there's another sw that has to analyze, sort, label and anything else. We gave up the vault over the years because it did more damage than anything. I have to see if I find some material around to study this solution well. Thank you very much.

 

[Mr. Hauza]

ok, without pdm and anarchy...

It's a lost battle, I know. I have to find the simplest solution and apply it to everyone. I know it's not easy.

 

[Mr. Hauza]

I'm going back to the workstation topic. Is there someone who has a code, serial, ws model to recommend? besides some site that assembles pc I found nothing comparable to a double xeon or other. do you have any reference of ws maybe already "born" like this? Maybe even to break down the costs? Thank you all.

 

[tzadik]

Hello, thank you for the answer. PCs are on the network and all access the server where there are all folders of the various jobs. Sometimes everyone works on different projects and sometimes we are even more than 1 person on the same project.

il bottleneck in your case is the slowness of the network.
read/write from a server will never be as fast as reading write from local.

to work locally if you make shared design, you just need a pdm (vault or alternative...), used according to intelligent logic and obviously customized according to the real needs of the company (...).
working so also requires a minimum of mental opening. a change of approach will be necessary and there will always be resistant, during the hypothetical "transition".

workstations (graphics) are certified machines so choose them comfortably from official catalogs (of, lenovo, hp...).
at the end you will see that at the same end, hardware configurations will be similar.

I also prefer xeon, more than anything for the longevity of the machine itself.

 

[Mr. Hauza]

il bottleneck in your case is the slowness of the network.
read/write from a server will never be as fast as reading write from local.

to work locally if you make shared design, you just need a pdm (vault or alternative...), used according to intelligent logic and obviously customized according to the real needs of the company (...).
working so also requires a minimum of mental opening. a change of approach will be necessary and there will always be resistant, during the hypothetical "transition".

workstations (graphics) are certified machines so choose them comfortably from official catalogs (of, lenovo, hp...).
at the end you will see that at the same end, hardware configurations will be similar.

I also prefer xeon, more than anything for the longevity of the machine itself.

thank you for the answer, we also tried to work locally, improves but not much. even in very long and complex processes inventor never goes beyond 12-13% processor. It is the sw that exploits it little so I wanted to try something even more powerful. I looked at the various sites of hp, of, lenovo and how many others but I found nothing of that level (double xeon processor).