3d cad board for mechanical design

[tecnogian]

Hello.
work for 20 years in the technical office of a company that designs and realizes automatic systems of various kinds and often very large and complex. I am not a mechanical ing, but I am a computerized ing, also voted for the mechanical design. so far we have always used megacad 2d and we were good but in recent years it has worsened a lot and it is giving us too many problems so we would like to change it and, taking the opportunity, to pass also to 3d. since so far I have used only megacad I do not know anything of the other cads and less still of the cad 3ds can you help me choose the best? (Of course I ask the candidates to give me a demo)
Thank you.

 

[cacciatorino]

Hello.
work for 20 years in the technical office of a company that designs and realizes automatic systems of various kinds and often very large and complex. I am not a mechanical ing, but I am a computerized ing, also voted for the mechanical design. so far we have always used megacad 2d and we were good but in recent years it has worsened a lot and it is giving us too many problems so we would like to change it and, taking the opportunity, to pass also to 3d. since so far I have used only megacad I do not know anything of the other cads and less still of the cad 3ds can you help me choose the best? (Of course I ask the candidates to give me a demo)
Thank you.

If your projects are really big, I have seen it work well creo/direct modeling. It's a cad that then has other problems, and it's probably coming to the end of the escalation cycle, but on the big assemblies it's really strong.

for general mechanical design, I look great with solid edge, but maybe just because I have decades of experience on it.

 

[DottorMouse]

hi, I use different, but what I probably prefer is solidworks that I find quite complete with functionality. at the level of "basic package" perhaps it is better inventor who has good libraries that for mechanics are important. creo/direct modeling I find it a little limited program, but from its simplicity, you learn quickly, and it is really good with large files. The latter happened to me to use it in companies that had it well personalized and had a good management and therefore it was efficient (of course the economic investment will be of greater importance).
the question is however complex. depends on the use you want to do, on the investments you want to deal with not only for software expenditure, but on all other factors such as: hardware renewal, personnel training, existing data recovery, customization etc.
other important issue is the "demo" of retailers, which make their product always outstanding. I recommend that you process something of yours according to your needs, and to "pay" personally with the trial versions before deciding.
Good luck.

 

[re_solidworks]

...and now probably arrived at the end of the cycle of development.. . .

hi hunting, just out of curiosity: why do you have this opinion? In my opinion, perhaps, even the parametric ones are a little too. for everyone there is much to do to improve, but it is small improvements, on important things are (almost) all arrived.

 

[cacciatorino]

hi hunting, just out of curiosity: why do you have this opinion? In my opinion, perhaps, even the parametric ones are a little too. for everyone there is much to do to improve, but it is small improvements, on important things are (almost) all arrived.

It is that the ptc is preparing the migration of cocreated users to the unifcato creo product, which as well known is a repaint of pro/engineer, so I don't really think they will spend more money on a product now brought to converge to another. cocreate would have had a high growth potential, but I don't think that the ptc will hold two product lines and two team of programmers.

in the parametric world as you say we have now reached the limit, and in fact we are currently seeing also here the appearance of contextual methods (solid edge, nx, inventor), apart from solidworks that is still a mystery on which road will take for the future.

 

[calacc]

It is that the ptc is preparing the migration of cocreated users to the unifcato creo product, which as well known is a repaint of pro/engineer, so I don't really think they will spend more money on a product now brought to converge to another. cocreate would have had a high growth potential, but I don't think that the ptc will hold two product lines and two team of programmers.

I think you're wrong.

the products that ptc offers are 2 distinct: one for parametric modeling (I think parametric) and one for direct modeling (creo direct which is the former cocreate).

the big advantage that there is precisely the interoperability of the models, given by the use of the same granite kernel. this helps save time in the process of product development when, for example, you switch from designer to analyst. the first works in parametric mode while the second has only to optimize the model so that it meets certain analysis requirements and, thanks to the direct modeling, can intervene on the model without questioning the designer.

What if designer and analyst are the same person?? It is not possible to propose the purchase of 2 cads, then there is an extension for creating parametric that is theFMX that allows in the parametric environment to directly change the geometer of the models in advanced phase of development.

but the important thing is that without a shadow of doubt it is possible to work completely independently in the two software and it is not true that one has to converge to each other over time. are two different cads in everything and for everything, you can download them from qui and try them in person if you don't believe it.

You will forgive me if I went a little ot but for me it was necessary this punctuation.

coming to the initial problem I wanted to tell technogian that the management of large axes is carried out equally well in creo parametric as well as in creo direct (as rightly remembered by hunting), both arrive from ptc. this to say that a parametric cad I think it does to your case, so the choice will elapse by force on inventor, solidworks, solidedge, top solid, and precisely creo parametric. These are the cads that come to my mind... then if you want to spend more there are also nx and caty.

to place in the middle market are:

- inventor
-solidworks
-top solid
- Solidedge

the remaining:

-creo parametric
- No.
-categories

this for reasons of functionality and expandability.

useless to say that I personally recommend you create parametric. I have been working for three years and I am very satisfied also because I have touched the fateful choice in the past and it was not easy to move, especially at the beginning. to feed the confusion were then some retailers that put around rumors/menzogne that I do not intend to report. My advice is to inform you autonomously (maybe by direct testing the various cads) and to take all the time necessary to decide, without haste. Then if you need, we're here.

 

[cacciatorino]

I think you're wrong.

the products that ptc offers are 2 distinct: one for parametric modeling (I think parametric) and one for direct modeling (creo direct which is the former cocreate).

I think what is wrong is you... there exists creo parametric (the old pro/e), creo direct (the old pro/e with handles to stretch and stretch) and finally create elements direct (the old cocreate). I leave every comment on the marketing genius that invented these denominations.
Now it seems to me quite likely that I create elements direct will make a bad end.

In your message, you photographed the existing one, but it's not said that the situation will remain unchanged in the future, but I think it's more likely to change quickly. to me the ex-cocreate business tells me one day yes and one no if I want to buy I create 2, because so much the future will be that....

 

[calacc]

I think what is wrong is you... there exists creo parametric (the old pro/e), creo direct (the old pro/e with handles to stretch and stretch) and finally create elements direct (the old cocreate). I leave every comment on the marketing genius that invented these denominations.
Now it seems to me quite likely that I create elements direct will make a bad end.

In your message, you photographed the existing one, but it's not said that the situation will remain unchanged in the future, but I think it's more likely to change quickly. to me the ex-cocreate business tells me one day yes and one no if I want to buy I create 2, because so much the future will be that....

Yes, we are clearly saying the same thing! It is obvious that creo elements direct is destined to disappear, it is only a version of transition as was creo elements pro (ex pro/e wf5). what the commercial proposes is certainly create direct 2.0 but does not center anything with the old pro/e if not for the fact of having the same kernel.

 

[calacc]

the products that ptc offers are 2 distinct: one for parametric modeling (I think parametric) and one for direct modeling (creo direct which is the former cocreate).

here I meant that I create direct is the product that is currently replace co-create (which no longer exists!)

creo direct (the old pro/e with handles to stretch and stretch)

but unfortunately it is false

Just watch the video below showing creo direct version express in action (chargeable for free from this link). tell me now that similarity is with pro/e, apart from the kernel speech.. .[youtube]hcppkoq2tu[/youtube]

 

[cacciatorino]

here I meant that I create direct is the product that is currently replace co-create (which no longer exists!)



but unfortunately it is false

Just watch the video below showing creo direct version express in action (chargeable for free from this. tell me now that similarity is with pro/e, apart from the kernel speech.. .[youtube]hcppkoq2tu[/youtube]

secondo me creo direct e' questo:
[youtube]owab31bibrs[/youtube]what you pointed out should be creating elements direct/modeling (the real cocreate), as you can see from the start splashscreen, directly from my desktop.
Unfortunately, if the ptc is so sadic (or gonzi) to call two different cads with an almost equal name, it's not that I can do something about it.

 

[calacc]

secondo me creo direct e' questo:
[youtube]owab31bibrs[/youtube]what you pointed out should be creating elements direct/modeling (the real cocreate), as you can see from the start splashscreen, directly from my desktop.
Unfortunately, if the ptc is so sadic (or gonzi) to call two different cads with an almost equal name, it's not that I can do something about it.

Okay, the only difference I find is the menu bar, as it happens when you switch from one release to another... I don't mean direct modeling, but the modeling features look exactly the same. Otherwise it would not make sense to make the first disappear for the second.
the fact that neither of us is minimally corrected by pro/e

 

[cacciatorino]

the fact that neither of us is minimally corrected by pro/e

I create direct has a lot to do with pro/e, because all moves do that then you find them in the features tree if the same piece opens it with pro/e (creo parametric).

I create direct/modeling has nothing to do with it, it's all produced.

 

[calacc]

I create direct has a lot to do with pro/e, because all moves do that then you find them in the features tree if the same piece opens it with pro/e (creo parametric).

Of course! as I explained before! all to advantage of the interoperability between the 2 software. not that there is direct resemblance.

a thing that at the moment is not clear to me instead and what difference is between creo direct 2.0 and create elements/direct modeling 18.1.

What do you do with the first that you cannot do with the second and vice versa? which file extension? part, together, drawing, etc...