3d low cost printer

[fabrizio_brescia]

Good morning to all, I deal with electronics and in the office we also have proes that we need to make 3d models of cards and enclosures. Today I went to a client who showed me a 3d printer that self-constructed and showed me some items he printed. To tell the truth, they weren't particularly well cared for, but on a network trip I saw that there are printers less than 2000 euros with a resolution of 0.1mm.
Can someone tell me if these cheap objects are useful to something or is it a waste of time and energy to use them?
Surely they're not fast, but if you could throw the press in the evening the piece in the morning would be ready, jams allowing.

Thank you.

 

[IPdesign]

are economic technologies, on this forum we have already talked about it.
their flaw is in the fact that too much cost should be paid in terms of quality as you rightly noticed. I have seen printers made with plexiglass structure and others in plywood .

a 3d printer of that kind in my opinion makes sense in the house where the hobbyist manages to create what he wants and has the time to finish it at the best at an acceptable cost.

in a professional field where the product often has to be presented to a potential customer I don't know how long the game is worth the candle.

having never had a chance to fully test one, but having only seen the pieces I can do a parallel with the numerical control machines we have in the workshops .

the difference in costs of the latter most often coincides with more or less sophisticated components that allows to achieve unreachable machining accuracy to economic ones.
goes from if a wood miller does not need to have centesimal tolerances, while a molder needs absolute tools of high precision; therefore to eachone its equipment and relatvi costs.

But I warn you about a factor that many neglect when approaching the world of 3d printers, the cost of printing materials and technical assistance.
printers are often sold with minimal embroidery for the manufacturer, but it has a way to rival the user thanks to the print material "owner" .
How many of us have realized that replacing a toner costs us almost like the whole printer?? I think everyone.
Unfortunately, 3d printers do not exist, if not rare cases, compatible material cartridges.
the reasoning that many do when evaluating the purchase of a 3d printer is " last I spent 3000€ of prototypes, the printer costs 2000€ so in a year the expense is recovered; well what many do not consider is that to produce the same items of the year before besides the printer you must also buy the material to realize it.. . So the real expense is different:wink:

the asistency finally plays a very important role as it is known that a printer spoils itself while working (which sensational discovery :biggrin: ) and if it is a work tool most often (thanks to murphy law) we have the presentation the next day .
If I have a capillary and responsive service network I can maybe get the piece I need when the spare part arrives (we do this service ) .
but if onsite technical assistance is not contemplated and the spare part comes from overseas? When does the spare come?

Finally I do not say that you should not buy cheap printers but you should not expect miracles.
a bit like putting a 34€ inkjet printer in a supermarket in an office that needs to print 400 sheets per hour .

 

[innocente]

Hello, fabrizio,
luca pleasure, for the price and definition you say nothing exists.
as we have done a good research on 3d printers, also because our customers, necessarily want to get an idea of the finished product first.
reliable printers, that are not a weight as maintenance (electric current and cartridges on 200€, which are then disposed of in plastic) and maintenance (practically zero, we clean it with a vacuum cleaner and occasionally we grease the guides), I can strongly recommend all those to "filo" (abs usually type hp, dimension, etc.) that is placed in layers and creates the piece with two materials, support and model. purchase price, less than 10,000 per resolution at 0.25mm, slightly higher than 20,000 per resolution from 0.178. after it always depends on the offers of the producers.
all types of 3d printers on the market, the more they have a high resolution and aesthetic definition, the more they cost.
as ipdesign said the printer you mentioned is to recommend only to hobbies, and perhaps not even. . .

 

[fast3d]

Hello everyone

The answer and mathematics are very simple:
less costs the machine = less dimensional accuracy + less definition + less functionality = money spent badly or thrown + doubt that the project is valid + probability of having to change the mold.

in short professional machines for professional results, amateur machines for DIY and hobby. less coast has the prototype = less utility.

the fundamental thing is to understand what you want from the prototype and unfortunately not everyone knows. you look at the price and expect the moon

Good day

 

[titus2]

take a look at this product, makerbot replicator 2
at least from descretions seems a valid product. characteristics are 0.1 wide print area and reduced purchase cost (2000$) material on 50$ per kg.
I'd be curious to see him live if he does what he promises.

 

[2¶ - progetti]

....if it were true I would sue the stratasys for all the leasing I'm paying! ! ! ! ! ! !

ps : I just came back from the office where I had to disassemble the print head (after I threw 23 hours of work...): the power supply of the abs was dirty and did not drag the thread....dnation!!!

good we

disability
www.duepigreco3d.it

 

[titus2]

I think that this small New York company has seen us long and is trying to enter a market in my opinion in a huge expansion, that of the consumer and non-professional world. will repeat what happened with photographic printers: First there were only professional printing machines with prohibitive costs, then the various companies realized that the consumer market would bring its revenues and now find quality printers valid at less than 100 euros. it will be a matter of time but sooner or later they will become part of those pc accessories that maybe a good slice of fans will have. if you think well from a hardware point of view these printers are little more complex than a jet multifunction a3 back front from 200 euro.... .
we have to wait

 

[Marcoboncry]

Good morning, I'm Marco Boncristiano I'm a trainee student at an engineering firm, I'd be interested in the makerbot replicator 2 printer but I would like more information:
1)cost a measuring unit cartridge
2) distinctions between pla and abs (what type of abs) or where I can find mechanical characteristics
3) management of subframes

and other information you think you're oppressive.
Thank you for your attention.
Have a good day.

 

[paolofo]

Hello, everyone.
I would signal you as a lowcost prototyping machine fdm this http://www.robotfactory.it/cnc_index3d-one.htm, it is an Italian product that I had the opportunity to try, the print quality is remarkable.
The pieces built in plas are very precise and have an excellent aesthetic, with regard to the aps not having the hot chamber the models tend to board and crack, as I think in all the cheap fdm machines, also the lack of the second head for the supporting material, for now does not lead you to be directly competitor of the statesys.

 

[listastudio]

thinking about doing what you like and to enrich the comparison we signal the gallery of 3d models made with an economic printer in www.3dfactories.it

 

[3DZ]

Fabrizio, since you're a breeze, let's first find ourselves and see examples that write papyri.

Talk to us.
marco.panizzoli@3dz.it - 3dz brescia.