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[SHIREN]

Good evening to all
I have (we have) a prob in the underground seeds of the palaces in front of my
in practice a few days ago, it was suddenly noticed that in the elevator trumpets there is a meter of water
it seemed that there was some loss of the water network
but in fact by findings and analyses to see the presence of chlorine in the waters it seems that they are not waters from the aqueduct network

the concern we are becoming serious
because it turns the hypothesis that in the last few years a few km have been built several km of viaducts for the high speed with imposing structures in practice
a tav traffic sorting crossroads between napoli north and south
it seems that the municipality already washed its hands
saying that ffss should intervene
while the directors of the various domains have appointed some technicians
to understand something more and with their appointment they also ask us some rabbits
on condominium installments
to tell the truth a few dozen heur
my condo even if it is at a height of more than 1 meter
the prob is evidenced only on the walls of the basements with the presence of molds also extensively extended
But a moment of perplexity creates it
buildings were built between 1995-2000
I wonder.
Can buildings resist such a situation?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
what should be done to be careful in all the situations that will be followed?? ? ? ? ? ?
Thank you very much

 

[gfrank]

The elevator pit is still empty.
waiting for more precise elements, the situation could have been caused by the construction of the works relating to the tav (relevated - foundations - setts in underground cls that interrupted the "scaric" of the groundwater - modification of the hydrogeological reticle that does not properly convey the discharge of the surface waters)
that have caused the increase of level of the underground ground

a hypothesis of intervention, the best, is to intervene by application of insulation material (special elements) resistant to water to prevent infiltrations in the underground parts, on the outside (to dig to bare the foundations, to lay the sheath, etc.).
There are special mortars on the market, working in "counterpainted" which can be applied within the buildings, in which the intervention cost is considerably lower than the first.

the fact that the water enters the structures (in calestruzzo), surely involves problems due to the humidity (for capillary) that will develop over time
(with the first intervention it would be eliminated this problem) and therefore it will be necessary to study adequate solutions to limit the phenomenon of "moisture" (also present with a second type intervention.

Moreover, the continuous presence of water in the artifacts, at the structural level could cause some problems on the foundations/traves underground (in particular the oxidation of the armored irons), but to advance some concrete hypotheses and the relative solutions are necessary in depth verification.

cautele:
- firstly, technical consultants should draw up an award (extrajudicial) which covers the type of damage and resolution proposals, with relative costs.
- define a first summing with the "dante causa" for a sound resolution;
- if the counterparty "does not hear us", request the court to execute an atp (max 6 - 8 months of time), motivating it with the need to perform settlement interventions, and then of the case proceed with a merit cause.
However, knowing the lengths of courts, in case a cause is promoted, and evaluating the technical expertise, you can decide for the best ...

Hello...

 

[SHIREN]

The elevator pit is still empty.
waiting for more precise elements, the situation could have been caused by the construction of the works relating to the tav (relevated - foundations - setts in underground cls that interrupted the "scaric" of the groundwater - modification of the hydrogeological reticle that does not properly convey the discharge of the surface waters)
that have caused the increase of level of the underground ground

a hypothesis of intervention, the best, is to intervene by application of insulation material (special elements) resistant to water to prevent infiltrations in the underground parts, on the outside (to dig to bare the foundations, to lay the sheath, etc.).
There are special mortars on the market, working in "counterpainted" which can be applied within the buildings, in which the intervention cost is considerably lower than the first.

the fact that the water enters the structures (in calestruzzo), surely involves problems due to the humidity (for capillary) that will develop over time
(with the first intervention it would be eliminated this problem) and therefore it will be necessary to study adequate solutions to limit the phenomenon of "moisture" (also present with a second type intervention.

Moreover, the continuous presence of water in the artifacts, at the structural level could cause some problems on the foundations/traves underground (in particular the oxidation of the armored irons), but to advance some concrete hypotheses and the relative solutions are necessary in depth verification.

cautele:
- firstly, technical consultants should draw up an award (extrajudicial) which covers the type of damage and resolution proposals, with relative costs.
- define a first summing with the "dante causa" for a sound resolution;
- if the counterparty "does not hear us", request the court to execute an atp (max 6 - 8 months of time), motivating it with the need to perform settlement interventions, and then of the case proceed with a merit cause.
However, knowing the lengths of courts, in case a cause is promoted, and evaluating the technical expertise, you can decide for the best ...

Hello...

Bye-bye
thanks for the answer
in practice you say to intervene with the participation of all the condominiums then rival to the railways
in case it is established that the cause of all this is their pertience
in case you do not succeed has traced back to the "culpable"
against who could cause a recurrence???? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
I ask you again
can be a natural fact the rise of the groundwater??? ? ? ? ? ?
this because in the area at about 2/3 km radius once there were the wells of the0 aqueduct that served all napoli
then dysmesi because polluted by the intensive cultivation of soils
in practice at the end of 2000 there was red water from the taps:
Thank you.
a hug

 

[gfrank]

Bye-bye
thanks for the answer
in practice you say to intervene with the participation of all the condominiums then rival to the railways
in case it is established that the cause of all this is their pertience...

the interested structures are "common parts" according to the civil codes, and therefore in charge to all the condominiums.
c.c. also points out that for those who do not want to participate in the case, they may refrain (in writing) with certain imprisonments... (I refer you to the civil code - articles around 1110 or so ...)

... in case you do not succeed has traced back to the "culpable"
against who could cause a recurrence???? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
...

the verifications you are making to vs. technicians should clarify the type of defect/defect that causes infiltrations, and then identify the responsible (or responsible) to whose intent the cause of merit

... I ask you again
can be a natural fact the rise of the groundwater??? ? ? ? ? ?
this because in the area at about 2/3 km radius once there were the wells of the0 aqueduct that served all napoli
then dysmesi because polluted by the intensive cultivation of soils
in practice at the end of 2000 there was red water from the taps:
Thank you.
a hug

I expressed a possible cause based on what you wrote in the first post.
the modification of the soil (sopra-subsoil) also involves consequences to the underground falde and the surface flow, both that of the water grid, as well as of the "natural" perndenza of "sculpture" of the surface waters.
For example, if the building is located along the "flow" of the ground (to the valley) and further downstream, the works of the tav have still been made with substantial modifications above/under ground (for example a sempice terrapieno (the foundation of which is several meters below the ground (parlo of compacted soil/ghiaia/ecc..) involves an interruption of the natural ground, with possible modifications to the min/max layer of the same
or maybe it is the simple interruption (soprasound) of the "natural" slope of the soil that in fact becomes a kind of "dam" to the naural flow of the surface water. such water that subsequently goes into the ground, increases the level of the ground.

the fact that in the area once there were wells, means that in the vicinity there is a large aquifer.

all always in theoretical way, to check on the site with adequate evidence:
- measure the present luvello of the ground and compare it with data from the past (see water maps of the region/province/common),
- check during the rain (and in the following days) the water level inside the elevator pit.

Perhaps it does not lead to anything, and it turns out instead, that the constructor enterprise of the property may not have performed (in whole or in part) the perimeter isolation of the building, at the time of the construction.

Hi. .

 

[SHIREN]

Thank you.
♪
in fact it was 15 days that I tried to figure out something
Your exposure will be of great help
good make
Thank you

 

[gil]

I agree with what gfrank told you.
the possibility that the bonfires have risen naturally exists even if remote.
Now as now you have to dry the elevator trumpet, before evaluating "definitive" solutions geological investigations should be made to understand the causes.
there are many possible solutions. now modern techniques involve the reduction of the capillary effect of the soil in order to avoid the rise of water instead of waterproofing the foundation
what the water comes to the foundation. technical solutions are however to be evaluated specifically.

 

[SHIREN]

I agree with what gfrank told you.
the possibility that the bonfires have risen naturally exists even if remote.
Now as now you have to dry the elevator trumpet, before evaluating "definitive" solutions geological investigations should be made to understand the causes.
there are many possible solutions. now modern techniques involve the reduction of the capillary effect of the soil in order to avoid the rise of water instead of waterproofing the foundation
what the water comes to the foundation. technical solutions are however to be evaluated specifically.

thanks1000 also to you gil

However, I will inform you about the development of the situation
also to have a feedback of what will decide the engineers asked
Good evening

 

[gfrank]

further info:http://ko-kr.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=355613107756&topic=13629

 

[enri]

I had seen a strip service I think about these floodings, if you talk about it also on the site no. the work of the tav have the specialization to distract the groundwater, see in Tuscany.