active sketch in suspended functions

[marcof]

hi to all, I resumed swx (version 2013) intensively after a relatively jumpy period of use and for simple work.
I am making a single project starting from the modification of an old man of whom I made a pck and go renamed assemblies, parts drawings etc. one of the parts has about fifty configurations and each corresponds to a relative component in the axis. the suppression/reactivation of the various functions are controlled by a rather full data table. I noticed that at least a dozen features when they are suspended, but they have the active sketch, while for others the sketch is also suspended.
I come to the questions:
1- Do you know what depends on the fact that a feature is suspended but not its sketch?

2- since the regeneration of the assemblies when these parts are all loaded is not a joke you think that the 15x54 sketches solved but useless because fathers of the only feature suppressed, can negatively affect the recalculating times?

3- sketch names are the default ones (scratch 102, sketch 103 etc.) while faetures are renamed as needed. If I renounce now the schetch so that they are easily identifiable can happen some mess of lost references? I remember that they are sketches connected to the only feature above and obviously to the geometry of the component.

4- I would like to change the data table setting the deletion/activation of sketches instead of doing it by hand for each of the 54 configurations, obtaining among other things the advantage that suppressing the sketch I would automatically go to suppress not only its feature but also a feature daughter, thus halving the number of columns in the data table. You think that's a good idea?

I didn't write. I came back and came back from niubbo, besides with a post maybe not too clear!
and mò are caxxi yours (in the next message I will ask if you can save in a previous verse)

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

1- Do you know what depends on the fact that a feature is suspended but not its sketch?

but in the data table you have both the sketch column and the function column? or do you only have the second and the suspension of sketches is independent of anything else? how the part was managed: you created all the functions and then through the data table you created the relativew configurations suspending activating the funzoioni?

2- Do you think that the 15x54 sketches solved but useless because fathers of the only feature suppressed, can adversely affect the recalculating times?

I think so. If you make funzine statistics you will see that active sketches still have a time of reconstruction, if you suspend them instead they are zero.

3- If I renounce now the schetch so that they are easily identifiable can happen some mess of lost references?

to a quick test I tell you no; the data table automatically updates with the new name. What do you mean? only those of the data table?

4- I would like to change the data table setting the removal/activation of sketches instead of doing it by hand for each of the 54 configurations, do you think it is a good idea?

in principle to me the idea seems sensible; is like putting the functions of a specific configuration in a folder and suspending that. would you be sure that the sketches of the child functions suspend?

you have been worn out, but clearer than many posts composed of only three lines... Good boy.
However be careful that you cannot save in previous versions! ! !

 

[marcof]

but in the data table you have both the sketch column and the function column? or do you only have the second and the suspension of sketches is independent of anything else? how the part was managed: you created all the functions and then through the data table you created the relativew configurations suspending activating the funzoioni?

in the table I only have columns with functions, as I always do. It is by chance that I have noticed some sketches still solved, because normally I never expand the icons of suspicious features.
I did some proof and the suspension of the sketch I saw that obviously depends also on the order of functions, but with some strangeness, in the sense that if you have:

> function1 - - - > sketch2 > function2

˄ < < ˅where the "schizzo2" is bound by the edges of the "function1" (see box above).

in this case for suspensions:- se suspend "schizzo1" suspends everything- if you suspend the "function1" you obviously suspend the "schizzo2" and "function2" but remain active "schizzo1" and these are the sketches that remain active in my case. That's weird.

for reactivations:- if you reactive "schizzo2" you reactivate all- if "function2" reactivates all

to reduce the number of columns it is necessary to command suppressions with the father sketch (schizzo1) and to command the reactivations indifferently with the sketch or the daughters function
the break is that when of functions in row there are three or four it becomes a mess to distract on which is the last (especially if they were not created in succession) then in the end I opted to add in the data table also sketches and amen.
It is however strange that even when a totally independent feature is suppressed, its sketch remains active. if they are simple sketches is not a big problem, but in the case of complex sketches then the calculation times really increase considerably.

I think so. If you make funzine statistics you will see that active sketches still have a time of reconstruction, if you suspend them instead they are zero.

in fact I have verified that on 16 total features, 8 active and 8 suspended but with active sketches, suppressing these 8 active sketches time decreases by almost 20%

Of course this is true with 2013, maybe you young climbers riding the rombante 2018, about to climb in 2019 to domarla (because you get the damage to your expenses, or paying the subscriptio and telling him what is wrong ) all this does not happen.

moral of the fairy tale? the bums with 2013 (but I'm afraid it's so for you rich on 2018) when one or more features suspend when possible sketches, regardless of the use of the data table or the configurations set by hand.

you have been worn out, but clearer than many posts composed of only three lines... Good boy.

the logorrea is a spoil of old us, especially if artisans who work alone. as soon as they find company they plant you pieces that don't end

However be careful that you cannot save in previous versions! ! !

ma nooooo! ma com'è possibile! Do I know Sicuro? And when do I ask? :

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

I'm a plebeus with 2014 you do, and not a lot of girls. . .
to me it seems normal and right that if you suspend the function do not suspend the sketch, that you can use it for other things.
have you thought about grouping functions into folders and then managing the suspension of those?

 

[marcof]

I'm a plebeus with 2014 you do, and not a lot of girls. . .
to me it seems normal and right that if you suspend the function do not suspend the sketch, that you can use it for other things.
have you thought about grouping functions into folders and then managing the suspension of those?

then between the plebei possimao mean us. also grouping functions in folders remains the problem of still active sketches. the fact of leaving them active perhaps should be a system option. in any case if you suspend them by default qando you only need the sketch to share the geometry it would be enough to reactivate it leaving the suspended feature. that of the sketch reuse is an operation that is done just going to look for it so reactivating it would not be a problem.
thank you anyway and I recommend, revisit the crystal bowl because I fear that I will return to harass you

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

is it not to do the annoying (but I am), m you sure of the speech of the folders? I tried it and suspending this is suspended everything inside.
I attach video, let me forget that I've wrapped myself in some passage, where you see the mmmagia

 

[Oldwarper]

I have the basic setting (among other things not editable, it seems) is correct.
a schizo is reusable in multiple features just to save on sketches (which seems absurd but they are the most 'voracious' of resources). So I suspect the feature but not automatically the sketch, as I would risk doing out other features dependent even only by a relationship of such a sketch.
to me with a swx plugin happens very often to have to chase sketches to suspend just because the default behavior causes me a flood of undefined sketches or with errors in suspicious sequential feature.
and I confirm Masses: Suspend the folder and suspend everything inside.

Greetings, Marcof!

 

[marcof]

is it not to do the annoying (but I am), m you sure of the speech of the folders? I tried it and suspending this is suspended everything inside.
I attach video, let me forget that I've wrapped myself in some passage, where you see the mmmagia

You're annoying but I forgive you because you're right. to fresh neurons I have made some evidence on a simple model and indeed the removal of the folder covers all content, sketches included, establish when I have to use the folders, to suspend the sketch of childless feature groups, and when to suspend only the sketch of the feature father of the group of those all related one to another.
Thank you for your help.

 

[marcof]

look who you see, indeed, who reads again! :

I have the basic setting (among other things not editable, it seems) is correct.
to me with a swx plugin happens very often to have to chase sketches to suspend just because the default behavior causes me a flood of undefined sketches or with errors in suspicious sequential feature.
and I confirm Masses: Suspend the folder and suspend everything inside.

I happened well and I'm studying how to reorganize the features of that part. I believe that however having the option to suspend or not by default sketches would be useful because most times that you build a feature on the previous one you do not go to lean on its sketch but on the edges/faces of the model, then the underlying sketch of the feature father remains unused. frankly I can't think of a case where I needed to stay the feature but not its sketch (excluding the case with sketches shared obviously)

Greetings, Marcof!

Same to you!