advice for future mechanical expert[technical/mechanical drawing] (

[Mr.Happy]

Good afternoon.

this year I will finish the 5th year of the address "mechanical, mechatronics and energy", and, having already decided not to continue with the university, after taking the diploma I will put myself to look for work through portals such as indeed, etc. since I look almost daily adverts in this field, I could not help but notice that in a good 55-60% is required a good/good knowledge of the mechanical/technical design. I know, of course, how to read a quota and/or a dimensional tolerance, but personally I believe that these knowledge is a drop in the ocean in a working environment. Do you have any advice to give me on how to improve? I am currently studying from the manual of hoepli mechanics, but I do not know how much it can serve (of course it treats things strictly theoretically). the topics I am studying are: projection techniques, roughness, dimensional/geometrical tolerances (really a nuisance), and the designation of the connecting organs (filettati and non). Maybe I worry too much about myself and these things all I'll learn about on the field, but I'd rather put myself on the safe side if it wasn't. I would also like to know how the working situation in this area is. my idea was to find employment or as a general worker or as a skilled worker (assador maybe ). I don't even have a position in the technical department, but given my difficulties, I don't think I'm fully qualified for the role.
In case, I would also use a text to learn how to use autocad in the mechanical field, thank you.

I hope I'm not wrong.

 

[TECNOMODEL]

First of all, you should understand what you want to do.
if you go to work in the workshop the design you need to know "only" read, and according to that to realize the work.
very different speech if you want to make the designer.in that case, in addition to knowing the design, you have to know how to choose a tolerance, a roughness, a tolerance of shape etc.
for the first hypothesis from the school you should be able to read a drawing, for the second you should go out with some basics that should be developed during the career.
In my opinion, it is not worth taking time. by now the industries work with cad 3d, it would be perhaps more useful to understand which of these is most widespread in the area where you would like to work and then try to learn that.

 

[Mr.Happy]

First of all, you should understand what you want to do.
if you go to work in the workshop the design you need to know "only" read, and according to that to realize the work.
very different speech if you want to make the designer.in that case, in addition to knowing the design, you have to know how to choose a tolerance, a roughness, a tolerance of shape etc.
for the first hypothesis from the school you should be able to read a drawing, for the second you should go out with some basics that should be developed during the career.
In my opinion, it is not worth taking time. by now the industries work with cad 3d, it would be perhaps more useful to understand which of these is most widespread in the area where you would like to work and then try to learn that.

Meanwhile thank you for the answer.
I honestly like both fields, so I don't have a specific preference. the fact is that, for a technical study, I think we need a more basic preparation for the mechanical design.
I have no idea what the level of knowledge required in a workshop is. Unfortunately in my city I do not know where I could ask for this kind of thing; I don't even think there are mechanical realities in this sector.
being in the south, my idea was to look for work in the northern part of Italy (in Emilia Romagna probably)

 

[TECNOMODEL]

from what I see now in a ut you only go if you have a degree, maybe even three years.
and this, perhaps, is due to the decay of the school level. If you have my time a mechanical expert could also ambition to become a designer now, perhaps, can hope in a good place in the workshop and if it has the numbers can grow.

 

[Mr.Happy]

from what I see now in a ut you only go if you have a degree, maybe even three years.
and this, perhaps, is due to the decay of the school level. If you have my time a mechanical expert could also ambition to become a designer now, perhaps, can hope in a good place in the workshop and if it has the numbers can grow.

I know something about this because of the decay of the school level. ...
I know that mine is the classic $1,000,000 question, but I would still like to ask if for you the arguments I'm reviewing go well for work in the workshop, or if you need to integrate other things. on the theoretical level I can recognize: quotas, dimensional tolerances, signs of roughness and some designation of the connecting organs. At the moment I have some difficulties with geometric tolerances, but I think I can solve. Unfortunately they have not made us practice, so, as I wrote before, these things I know only under the theoretical aspect (of course I understand what it means to reduce the size of a test tube from 50mm to 45mm +-0,1)
on indeed sometimes the request of mechanical experts for the technical office.

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

I know how to recognize: quotas, dimensional tolerances, signs of roughness

you don't have to know where and when to apply them.
in the workshop you need to know how to apply them (choice of the tool, advancements, number of turns, use of caliber and micrometer to say a couple) and work on a production machine is not like turning the turn of the workshop of the school or uncle. less than starting from the bottom to droop pieces, help in the machine tooling and slowly learn to osmosis
sure that after 5 years of mechanics and not having knowledge of projections is not a nice business card.
bad to say, but in fact you have no competence; in the technical office you would not have any glimmer of autonomy (I imagine you do not even know how to use a cad) and in the workshop you would do the debater.
If you think you're going to ophficia do a biennial of a professional to have a little basic and don't think that it would be another wasted years because you risk sending them curricula and waiting for the miracle.
if you want to go to the office do at least a few cad 2d and 3d courses to be able to sell and then experience on the field

 

[TECNOMODEL]

you don't have to know where and when to apply them.
in the workshop you need to know how to apply them (choice of the tool, advancements, number of turns, use of caliber and micrometer to say a couple) and work on a production machine is not like turning the turn of the workshop of the school or uncle. less than starting from the bottom to droop pieces, help in the machine tooling and slowly learn to osmosis
sure that after 5 years of mechanics and not having knowledge of projections is not a nice business card.
bad to say, but in fact you have no competence; in the technical office you would not have any glimmer of autonomy (I imagine you do not even know how to use a cad) and in the workshop you would do the debater.
If you think you're going to ophficia do a biennial of a professional to have a little basic and don't think that it would be another wasted years because you risk sending them curricula and waiting for the miracle.
if you want to go to the office do at least a few cad 2d and 3d courses to be able to sell and then experience on the field

the good boulders answered even better than I would answer you.

 

[Mr.Happy]

you don't have to know where and when to apply them.
in the workshop you need to know how to apply them (choice of the tool, advancements, number of turns, use of caliber and micrometer to say a couple) and work on a production machine is not like turning the turn of the workshop of the school or uncle. less than starting from the bottom to droop pieces, help in the machine tooling and slowly learn to osmosis
sure that after 5 years of mechanics and not having knowledge of projections is not a nice business card.
bad to say, but in fact you have no competence; in the technical office you would not have any glimmer of autonomy (I imagine you do not even know how to use a cad) and in the workshop you would do the debater.
If you think you're going to ophficia do a biennial of a professional to have a little basic and don't think that it would be another wasted years because you risk sending them curricula and waiting for the miracle.
if you want to go to the office do at least a few cad 2d and 3d courses to be able to sell and then experience on the field

in truth I have done 3 years having already a diploma (I would prefer to avoid answering questions that arise spontaneous)
the basic technical design and what we do at the 4th year we did it theoretically (study and repeat). as a practical part we copied some tree on the book.
I also think of the same things that you wrote and I have also referred to the profes, but I was told that the school cannot prepare for work and that training takes care of the companies. In the job offers I have seen that training is included in some, but I do not know if they accept people without any competence but with the title.
autocad I can use a little. I have "made":
- the tree in the middle https://www.prismacad.it/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/27-flangia-con-albero.gif-quest'albero http://cfpengimthiene.pbworks.com/f/albero.jpg- part of a mechanical hook
I have searched for professional schools in this field and/or cad courses, but in my city there are no. After graduation I could try another one, but for now this only remains a hypothesis.
However, I don't mind frankness since I want things to be spoken to me without any hair on my tongue.

p.s ah, caliber and micrometer I can use

 

[New Rider]

in truth I have done 3 years having already a diploma (I would prefer to avoid answering questions that arise spontaneous)
the basic technical design and what we do at the 4th year we did it theoretically (study and repeat). as a practical part we copied some tree on the book.
I also think of the same things that you wrote and I have also referred to the profes, but I was told that the school cannot prepare for work and that training takes care of the companies. In the job offers I have seen that training is included in some, but I do not know if they accept people without any competence but with the title.
autocad I can use a little. I have "made":
- the tree in the middle https://www.prismacad.it/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/27-flangia-con-albero.gif-quest'albero http://cfpengimthiene.pbworks.com/f/albero.jpg- part of a mechanical hook
I have searched for professional schools in this field and/or cad courses, but in my city there are no. After graduation I could try another one, but for now this only remains a hypothesis.
However, I don't mind frankness since I want things to be spoken to me without any hair on my tongue.

p.s ah, caliber and micrometer I can use

are your designs those? or did you just copy them?

 

[Mr.Happy]

are your designs those? or did you just copy them?

only remade on autocad

 

[tizibrembi]

Hello, Mr. Happy,

by experience (I am 56 years old and I have been working in technical office for more than 40 years) I would tell you to start working in a workshop
preferably mechanical where there are lathes,frese etc.ecc (in "field" and where you experience it)
then in the evening I would recommend you a professional school to mechanical address with specific courses in Milan there are several with the use of some specific cad program. best if 3d.good luck!

 

[Mr.Happy]

Hello, Mr. Happy,

by experience (I am 56 years old and I have been working in technical office for more than 40 years) I would tell you to start working in a workshop
preferably mechanical where there are lathes,frese etc.ecc (in "field" and where you experience it)
then in the evening I would recommend you a professional school to mechanical address with specific courses in Milan there are several with the use of some specific cad program. best if 3d.good luck!

I was there a few years ago, but unfortunately nothing. I have also tried with welding activities, but the answer is the same (black spends trouble and hire me as an apprentice does not talk about it). If they risk, rightly, they risk for relatives.
I am currently attending an itis address "mechanical, mechatronics and energy". Unfortunately I live in a small town in the south, and of these things not even the shadow; at most I could do a course of corporate communication or reconstruction xd nails.
some cad course is there, but it just explains the functionality of the program and little more.

 

[Biggmetals]

I speak to you by personal experience;
I have done your exact same address to pavia now finished about 4 years ago and throughout the school period they filled us with "you will know of the workshop leaders; you will be skilled workers; you will be able to work on metalworking machines; you will be able to work in the technical office, you will be able to work on cnc, you will be... blablablabla," if... maybe.
the theory is nothing without practice and the "gavetta" touches it to everyone (except for the Jargian children of Dad)

just out of school I accepted the first job that happened to me in a factory as an assembly chain operator, in poor words: use of head zero and shiftwork with night... a "execute without question that we don't have time to explain (or simply he didn't care to train) and don't complain that we pay you".

time to find another job (6 months) and I ran away, fortunately in a workshop that formed me under the point of view of "to do something" and "to feel useful" within a business environment that even if family-run (with its pros and cons) taught me not so much to work only the pieces, assemble etc but to manage the times, know how to make decisions knowingly etcetc.

now I work in a technical office in the middle of Milan and I owe it only to that small company (which I ended up hating),
but I assure you that it was not easy to find (to speak for me) a place in "office" without having knowledge of cad3d.
I've always been informed about what program I should have studied one day and/or look for work positions during my years of work out of here. same thing for courses etc, continuing to watch videos or anyway even just attending forums like this.

after all I'm papyrus I can tell you:
trained to use technical terms, watch tables and understand what you are seeing and how it can be executed,
trained to prepare a mental design workflow (e.g., why that form? Why of that material? in which order were the processing done? until you have the means to deal with it on a cad3d software;
trained to understand why a processing is done in a certain way and not in another, I mean.. .
steal the job from anyone around you and especially ask questions how many times you can and if the answer will be "we always did this", run!

 

[Mr.Happy]

I speak to you by personal experience;
I have done your exact same address to pavia now finished about 4 years ago and throughout the school period they filled us with "you will know of the workshop leaders; you will be skilled workers; you will be able to work on metalworking machines; you will be able to work in the technical office, you will be able to work on cnc, you will be... blablablabla," if... maybe.
the theory is nothing without practice and the "gavetta" touches it to everyone (except for the Jargian children of Dad)

just out of school I accepted the first job that happened to me in a factory as an assembly chain operator, in poor words: use of head zero and shiftwork with night... a "execute without question that we don't have time to explain (or simply he didn't care to train) and don't complain that we pay you".

time to find another job (6 months) and I ran away, fortunately in a workshop that formed me under the point of view of "to do something" and "to feel useful" within a business environment that even if family-run (with its pros and cons) taught me not so much to work only the pieces, assemble etc but to manage the times, know how to make decisions knowingly etcetc.

now I work in a technical office in the middle of Milan and I owe it only to that small company (which I ended up hating),
but I assure you that it was not easy to find (to speak for me) a place in "office" without having knowledge of cad3d.
I've always been informed about what program I should have studied one day and/or look for work positions during my years of work out of here. same thing for courses etc, continuing to watch videos or anyway even just attending forums like this.

after all I'm papyrus I can tell you:
trained to use technical terms, watch tables and understand what you are seeing and how it can be executed,
trained to prepare a mental design workflow (e.g., why that form? Why of that material? in which order were the processing done? until you have the means to deal with it on a cad3d software;
trained to understand why a processing is done in a certain way and not in another, I mean.. .
steal the job from anyone around you and especially ask questions how many times you can and if the answer will be "we always did this", run!

Thank you very much for sharing your experience!
I don't mind at all the fact that I just need to find a job where, who hires me, is willing to train me or in any case to help me form the right mental setting (even if I know that from the point of view of a employer I would be more a cost than a resource early times).
I'm going to study the mechanics manual side by side with Dr.cad's videos to learn how to use autocad at best. of course the suggestions are well accepted. from the job offers seemed to me to understand that other software used in the field are inventor and solidworks.
as I wrote in previous messages, I am able to read, in addition to quotas, signs of roughness, dimensional tolerances and some types of designations. I have some difficulty in fully understanding geometric tolerances, but vabé. Here, as you pointed out in the last part of your message, the core of the issue is the because of certain choices of realization, but I think these are things that can really be understood in the field.
He really gave me some extra hope, thank you!

p.s ah, even to me they said more or less the same things when I started the course:\