advice on the profession of designer mechanical designer

[toni3d]

hi to everyone, I joined this forum looking for an answer to what is my dilemma about the profession of mechanical designer.
doing a job market research of this profession, I see that many ads require graduation. I think going ahead there will be more and more graduates and so it makes me think that the more time passes and the more graduates of the experts will be preferred. For example, the announcements of multinationals already speak always and only of graduates. So you think a expert can have the opportunity to easily find work as a mechanical designer first and then maybe as a designer?
p.s. I want to point out that I refer to the automotive mechanical components sector or even better to industrial automation.

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

How many times has this question been asked in recent months? so manyhttps://www.cad3d.it/forum1/threads/iniziare-lavoro-come-disegnatore-meccanico.54975/https://www.cad3d.it/forum1/threads/cosa-mi-aspetta-come-disegnatore-meccanico-solidworks.54807/https://www.cad3d.it/forum1/threads/inizio-nuovo-lavoro.54827/to make the designer does not need to have a degree. announcements, especially those of the Italian agencies, do not distinguish between experts, naives, sometimes they do not even know the difference, and it seems that they put requirements a little by chance, then you go to talk and it comes out that you need a banal designer to integrate the technical office that already has those who design and engineering.
Why are you looking for graduates rather than other figures? In my opinion, probably because people who know how to do a bit of everything and who normally cover a very precise figure, for example development of sheet metals, but that when necessary in peak times can make the designer, the designer, the designer, the programmer cnc and the coffee with the Neapolitan moka of that oxen also with the worst brand of the lidl.
from the posts that you read on the forum also a graduate just out is not able to make a constructive table of a plate with 4 holes and before making design it will pass of time.
the best thing is to always go to interviews, although not fully complying with the requirements required, and be honest about your professional figure

 

[toni3d]

Thanks for the answer.. mine was an initial general question of a doubt that afflicts me...in the meantime my goal would be to get to design automated lines so I was wondering if I can a periito tomorrow sign a project. . .
now I come in the specific situation:
I am an expert in electronics but in 2014, at 26 years old, I was incited to a 2-year course of studies in mechatronics, in particular maintenance because I saw in this figure an excellent perspective of work in different areas. This course of studies, its, also gave me the opportunity after the first year to make an internship in a company. So in 2015 I did the 6-month internship as a mechanical designer of trees and dentate wheels in a transmission company (I was involved in creating models and making the table harvests for each stage of processing). theoretically I should have done an internship in maintenance but unfortunately as usual things do not work as they should but I must nevertheless say that it was a very rewarding experience that made me know the design and modeling 3d as well as the dimensional calculations of a project. at the end of the course of studies in 2016 I tried to find work as a designer (also in northern Italy) but without success and therefore I worked, near house to the south, in the mechanical processing as a turning point and cnc mill. However, this work has several negative points for me as being monotonous (when production is made of large quantities), unstable (very tied to orders), probable future decrease in job cause printer 3d, and many times it is on 3 shifts (I have difficulties with night work ). So now I am 31 years old, I am not married and I have no children, I have already left that job to move to the north having already a job in hand as a mechanical maintainer. I made this decision because in this way I moved with already a job so without going to ask for alms to interinal agencies as I happened in 2016 and in addition I have the opportunity to see with hand what is the work of maintainer.
It is clear that where I work now I am not finding myself well not so much for the job but for all the rest (among other things this work is often on shifts). So I did a new job search and I discovered many interesting ads as a mechanical designer but I have the doubt that one tomorrow, to find work, I have to meet with a graduate and at equal experience it is clear that I have no hope. I must say that, however, I have an experience on the field as a worker that an engineer can hardly have and this is definitely a plus.
I also have to add that while as a maintainer I could easily return to the south, as a designer instead it will be very difficult especially because those few ads that are there are already being demanded today the degree.
If you want to give me advice, I'd be grateful. . .

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

So I was wondering if I could have a lost tomorrow to sign a project.. .

I don't think so.
a post that may interest you https://www.cad3d.it/forum1/threads/abilitazione-alla-firma.20407/

 

[stevie]

hi to everyone, I joined this forum looking for an answer to what is my dilemma about the profession of mechanical designer.
doing a job market research of this profession, I see that many ads require graduation. I think going ahead there will be more and more graduates and so it makes me think that the more time passes and the more graduates of the experts will be preferred. For example, the announcements of multinationals already speak always and only of graduates. So you think a expert can have the opportunity to easily find work as a mechanical designer first and then maybe as a designer?
p.s. I want to point out that I refer to the automotive mechanical components sector or even better to industrial automation.

the fact that many job ads require a degree in my opinion is also linked to the fact that the availability of graduates is far superior to the available places, and therefore at this point it is normal for a company to demand figures that at least on paper have skills greater than those of a graduate.
that then the actual work is only to draw washers from morning to evening little matter.

I disagree with Massivonweizen that a graduate is able to do everything, at least just out of the university. if we talk about cnc programming and machine management is one thing that no book teaches you to do until you put your hand into practice. you can certainly learn the commands and the theoretical programming but practice is something else, even because each machine is different and it is to the skill and experience of the operator to know how to exploit it.

I would advise you to continue in the role of maintainer, position for which you certainly have less competition than that of designer and then possible designer.
hardly a graduate will want to do the maintainer while the first thing that will try to do will be that of the pseudo-projectist tyrant.

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

stevie, I was misunderstood.
what I wanted to say is that a graduate knows how to do everything, that then I also say that one just out of school can not do much of practical, what I wanted to say is that a graduate, consequentially to his studies, has more resources and can do more things than a graduate how to calculate and choose a reducer according to the application, set a fem, dimension a structure... of course at the beginning side by someone who directs it, but the basics already have them (or at least should have them). a graduate do not think he has these skills and therefore can only be used in certain situations.

 

[toni3d]

you are what I thought but I don't explain why there are always so many announcements of simple mechanical designers.. Now will it be because a company prefers to take a graduate to pay less? or do you prefer to take a diploma to get him to do a job that maybe designers don't go to do as the masses on the table? or does not make a real difference between the two figures? (Always speaking of diplomas in mechanics)

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

but if at the beginning post you wrote that

many ads require graduation

now

many announcements of simple mechanical designers

... if there are so many of one and many of the other where is the problem?

the engineer designs, as it is right that he is, and does not do the drawings because he does them, the graduate does not do them because you do not know... the drawings to give to the miller who does them? the baker hired through the sticker?

 

[toni3d]

Let's see if I'm clearer now... in many ads it is written both with graduation and with diploma... there are others only with diploma and other only graduation (the ones that require designers)....however my is only a request made to you to understand how this world works before entering..to me for example turns out that the engineer plans an automatic machine.. the graduate who makes the drawings for the production... the engineer puts the check on the production box. . .
now I ask you is this normality or not?

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

for my knowledge is not normal, or rather it is not like poni.
if you start from just assumed both figures are inexperienced and start from the bases and that is they put in table dqa which they learn to quote, to reason on the work, on possible cycles of work and how their curiosity spurs them. the difference between the two is that the engineer will have from his ability to address the design through his studies that allow him to choose for example a reducer according to the performance that needs him... but he will not do it alone in the early days; an expert will have a more practical attitude and will make a cycle to optimize material, costs and times... but he won't do it alone in the early days.
If we talk about an advanced phase of the working situation then naming will design, make calculations, think innovative solutions and accept the responsibility of the project and with the siege that will make table if not in extreme need; the expert will organize the production cycles, will manage the distinct materials, will go to the workshop to check the processing and the fittings and will also make put on the table.
then there will be the engineer who will make boards for the whole vity because he does not have the skills, does not have the character to make decisions, has a thousand doubts about everything, is good to him... and the expert who will go to supervise projects in the yard, will treat with commercials, will manage an entire technical office. . .
In short, the two figures are prepared to do certain things towards which the course of studies has directed them, those who hire search, in general, but it is not always so, a figure that gives a return to the studies achieved, but then life always reserves a thousand derivations that wrap the head before starting it makes little sense (even if it is absolutely normal).

 

[toni3d]

ok now the situation is clearer thanks