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Now I understand why my boss always tells me that you don't have to work for relatives... .
I explain the situation.... my parents live in a condominium, each apartment has 2 small balconies (1x1,7 m) and would like to join them to make a single large balcony. (Total size of the insole: 1.7 sq m)
I inform me in common, we see the necessary practices (environmental authorization + permit to build) and their administrator has a budget to say little scandalous (about 2000 euros only for the practices, VAT excluded).
as it would have pleased me to realize my mom's dream I offer myself to do my pocket practice (i.e., asking my boss to sign him the practice and returning to my parents the compensation that the boss gives me when "I promise" of customers).

I begin with the environmental authorization, I get approval after 2 months (there were the holidays) and I communicate to the administrator that I would have made him sign the pdc as soon as the commune would have allowed it (in practice before you receive a letter saying "you got the authorization, brings a stamp in common that we send you", after which comes the real authorization and you can receive the letter only I have.
two weeks ago I go to my parents and I find a nice sign "they warn the lords of condominiums that Monday will begin the work of accommodation of the balconies". I call the administrator, I ask for explanations and he replies screaming
"But as you allow me to move these accusations, there is another practice for the shared roof, I'm not a criminal."
I almost feel guilty and apologize.

In the meantime, I feel the commune and they tell me that the municipal staff is sick and I have to wait a few more days.
I'm going to my parents' house yesterday and what do I find? the beautiful and made balcony, the workers with their hands drawings made by me....and I get up a little nervous, since I had not authorized the copy of the drawings, not having yet finished the practice.
in practice, when I left the practice to the administrator, for him to sign it, he copied the drawings and delivered them to the workers.
Besides, when we felt last week he assured me that he would wait for work.

now the situation is this: the works were done abusively, on the practice there is the signature of my boss but neither I nor he authorized the beginning of the work.
the most logical thing is to go in common to denounce the fact, but I'm sorry for my parents, who will find themselves having to pay a fine, only for trusting the wrong person.
the other would be to demolish the insole immediately and proceed as if nothing happened.
I believe that in any case, excessive expenses should be borne by the administrator (who, I forgot to say, is a geometra and knows very well the bureaucratic process), but how to do? Unfortunately, I think a person like this doesn't make a lot of scruples!


What to say... less bad than in January I change work!
 
for me no doubt:
First I would "put the helmet" to my parents, in the sense that I warn them of everything that is happening and I also tell them not to set foot to the "personality" for no reason or at home or even on the balcony.
then, but understood immediately after, I would go in common to communicate the withdrawal of the signature from the project and complaining at the same time the fact.
Finally I would return to the condo with a nice bunch of letters, one by condomino +2, in which I explain and above all point document all the happened.
I put them in the holes of the letters and the other 2 the sending as it recommends to the "personage" and the owner of the executor enterprise of the works, underlining that the thing prefigures not only a violation to the urban norms, but that it could also represent a violation in the matter of responsibility of the client and the performer of the work regarding safety (unauthorized dealer).

Then put you there on the river bank and wait.
 
I tried to contact the administrator but, "strangely," he doesn't find himself.
I had also thought of doing as you say, but the municipality is closed from 13.00 today and will open Monday morning.
I reserve the weekend for explanations from the beautiful subject, then I will proceed.

the thing that really bothers me is to do the tricks with the name of others....how much disappointment is giving me this job!!! !
 
go to the bottom of jersey, I'm sorry for your parents, but it's just on this point that rests its certainty,
expects you to do nothing just because your parents are his condominiums

What kind of people we have around
 
I called the city technician today, denouncing the fact and my total extraneity.
He told me to finish the practice in sanatorium and to attach a communication in which my extraneity reiterates to the facts. They told me that then they will be ours in agreeing on payments (multiple and charges).
the administrator does not find himself.... .
 
against characters of that kind you must not let anything run otherwise it is always worse... but it is really an unpleasant situation! !
 
against characters of that kind you must not let anything run otherwise it is always worse... but it is really an unpleasant situation! !
more than fully agree!
But on the drawings was the stamp "preliminary"? I hope so... I never get it...

Anyway, I would do a good thing: letter of distrust to the administrator on the unauthorized use of drawings, with the municipality you should already be affixed. now comes the beautiful: go to some hospital, find some fresh fractured and put some money in his hand, pick up the balcony until you break the insole and ask this fresh fracture to press charges towards the condo.. .
they will be ca@i, but so they become even bigger!
 
now comes the beautiful: go to some hospital, find some fresh fractured and put some money in his hand, pick up the balcony until you break the insole and ask this fresh fracture to press charges towards the condo.. .
they will be ca@i, but so they become even bigger!
Well...
this is simulation; is illegal and criminal: mad:!
I wouldn't feel like giving advice like this:

..certi "costumi" would be better to settle them in Italy, we have more than enough.
:3559:

greetings
Mar
 
:frown: you're right... it's not good... but war is war.
I come from a city where the public is sworn enemy of the private, you sleep with the knife under the pillow, and on every occasion you must defend yourself from the illegality that the public echoed for extorting money...I would have considered such an action defense; But I admit I overreacted :frown:
 
provided that the balconies, are part of the facade of the condominium, but that according to the last jurisprudence the "part" above and the "part" below is of "property" or the expenses are charged of the respective apartments above and below the balcony; I ask you a few questions to clarify better:

a) who is the contractor of the works?
b) who pays the costs of the work?

possible cases:

- the condo at the head of the administrator, in which case the works must be approved by a condominium deliberation, the executive company to choose from the assembly in front of estimates, the appointment of the designer and the dl, all in the head of the condo (with expense to load of who? )

or

- your parents, who (in this case) must only have the authorization of the condo (always with a condominium resolution), and proceed to the appointment of the designer, dl, the choice of the executive enterprise etc., as the costs are borne by your parents, or with the residents of the plan below (after agreement)

In the first case, all liability shall be borne by the administrator (such as the contractor) and the company he chooses (such as the performer): from the abuse committed for lack of permission, to the nomination of the designer, dl, and all that follows, without your parents being interested in any way

In the second case, the administrator committed an abuse as, not being the client, he managed a job that he did not compete with. In this second case, I would make everything demolished at its own expense (with possible damages).
Once you have demolished the abuse, you can follow the correct procedure as the clients are your parents and they buy all the choices.

p.s. has been set up p.s., the appointment of coordinators, etc.
 

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