are ducati motorcycles or motor bikes?

[cacciatorino]

I begin with some rock in the pond:

1) desmo,
ok, the accelerations that can be imprinted to the valves are huge and therefore reduce the opening and closing times, but it is worth making a mortgage to bring to record the tips when the rest of the world lives happy with the springs?

2) the frame of the frame
I like it, but it's a technical choice, or, instead, just aesthetics, because of loyalty to the brand's history? or simply low production does not guarantee the recovery of moulds for printed and welded aluminum frames?

3) but it is normal that when a duchie arrives at the highway toll and pulls the clutch, everyone looks down trying to figure out who fell the pots from the trunk?

4) are the bases still growing in the area of bench bearings and are problems of an ancient past?

Disclaimer: I am of course the classic fox that does not come to take the grapes, of the rest gyrozole still with my morini 3 1/2 of '76, wheels still to rays but a nice stainless brake disc to the front 10 mm thick... . .

 

[MBT]

3) but it is normal that when a duchie arrives at the highway toll and pulls the clutch, everyone looks down trying to figure out who fell the pots from the trunk?

:hahahahah::hahahahah:

I'm just being quiet.
viagg(av)o with a b300 gilera and I have a 14 sports guzzi in progress:finger:

 

[MBT]

Luckily you opened it here...
If you want to move it to the end of your life,
I have the impression that in a couple of pages this discussion will become more roaring than the heads of a duchy after a run on the highway

 

[ipotemusa]

I begin with some rock in the pond:

1) desmo,
ok, the accelerations that can be imprinted to the valves are huge and therefore reduce the opening and closing times, but it is worth making a mortgage to bring to record the tips when the rest of the world lives happy with the springs?

2) the frame of the frame
I like it, but it's a technical choice, or, instead, just aesthetics, because of loyalty to the brand's history? or simply low production does not guarantee the recovery of moulds for printed and welded aluminum frames?

3) but it is normal that when a duchie arrives at the highway toll and pulls the clutch, everyone looks down trying to figure out who fell the pots from the trunk?

4) are the bases still growing in the area of bench bearings and are problems of an ancient past?

Disclaimer: I am of course the classic fox that does not come to take the grapes, of the rest gyrozole still with my morini 3 1/2 of '76, wheels still to rays but a nice stainless brake disc to the front 10 mm thick... . .

Now the duchies will be thrown away, he he he he.
I had: monster 900 '97 new, honda vtr1000f '97 used(the best ever), suzuki gsx-r 750 k1 used, and now yamaha r1 '01 used.
The only one I've had with is the monster.... with the japs I do not know almost + the mechanic, with the duke I almost went to live together (it is so to say, neh!)

I answer points:
01 - desmo is cool and works, you live very well without.
02 - frame, the monster you drive from fairytale, will be the frame or position, but it is beautiful to drive; even without a frame, you live very well.
03 - dry clutch makes noise, it is its sound, who likes who not. I liked it.
04 - creed bases I did not see, but I saw the head of a 749 losing oil, and had yes and no 2000 km.... new ball. then to my monster were changed cylinders and pistons in guarantee, 1 kg of oil was not enough for 1000 km, and my friends had nicknamed me locomotive, but for smoke....

We say that this grape will also be good, but for me it is not worth it at all.

ps 1098 is beautiful, but I would never buy it!

 

[cacciatorino]

For precision, the title of the discussion is a quote from this post, which I forgot to indicate:

http://www.cad3d.it/forum1/showpost.php?p=159284&postcount=144I attach my motorcycle resume, so at least get better):

swm regularity 50

honda xl 125

ktm 350 4t (the one with 4 valve rotax motor)

I died 350 gt (what I have now, I returned later)

honda cx 650 e (dio me ne scampi e libero)

yamaha tt600 (reaction to the above)

350 k2 dies (comprised by the fiancée who could not light it, you know that the dies never had the electric start)

morini 350 gt

 

[re_solidworks]

As for the two wheels in the years I have changed two means. I went from fifty to a honda cbr1000f (of '89), then as I exaggerated a little, I took a madison 400, but then I went tight and I had qaulche problemano and I went to a varadero 1000 of which I am fully satisfied.
the quality of the Japanese is hardly reachable, even in my case, the only problems (mal solved) with malaguti... .

 

[Fulvio Romano]

Hey, I'm gonna distract myself for a second and blow the thread? ? ?

1) il desmo,

But why does the r1 do the 19,000rpm without desmo? Duchies shot her for "innovation", but from the beginning, looking at the only technical cards, I smelled like pandora vase lid...but to be good.

2) the frame of the frame

The frame is a good thing on the track. Rigid cycling, which snaps when you decide to go down in fold, and does not move when you quickly piege opposed.
In the street, you have a granite block with two springs below. Take a rock in the corner and you're in the hands of the gentleman.
a cradle instead gives progressive elasticity from the handlebar to the tires, and increases the damping. If you arrive in the curve in the fourth, stains, brakes and put the second during the fold, you would be fused on the public street, but the frame forgives you, and it can also be that you remain with the jacket of glossy skin.

3)but it is normal that when a duchie arrives at the highway toll and pulls the clutch, everyone looks down trying to figure out who fell the pots from the trunk?

dry clutch... is a choice. certainly not dictated by comfort and driveability. but it is the same concept as harley-davidson's "rombo"

 

[Fulvio Romano]

However, it is commonly referred to as "harleists", "ducators", while all others call themselves "motocyclists" or "centauri". I think this is enough and advances to say that the first two categories, to the very say of their own militants, have little to do with motorcycles.

I have a friend who's had a monster ie600 dark for so long. every time I saw him I told him: "Well, when do you buy a bike?" We were always sniffing at this point. I have a kawasaki er5 and he answered me "better the wife on the sidewalk than a Japanese bike." .

when he sold the monster and bought himself a speedtriple came to me with low ears and told me..."you know, now that I have a bike I understand what you meant... "

 

[maxopus]

It's a matter of taste.
the duchies (as harleys in their field) have the charm of the old motorcycle.
cylindrical noise, unmistakable style, the frame has fines and limits.
when the duchy (or the gilera or the benelli) made motion worthy of admiration the honda made gates that were not good nenache to close a hen (I am 46 years old and I remember the jap years 70).
If I had to buy a motorbike I would acquire an Italian, maybe having the money I would take a mv ... that also has its defects, but when you see working the analog drums (which no longer works for mv) you want to work and learn.

 

[Fulvio Romano]

It's a matter of taste.

But of course, the fiat are also sold. love is blind. :tongue:
but apart from the sacred sentimental issues, there is also rationality, technology, and design choices to consider.

I am of 82, so the gates you talk about have never seen them circulate, of course, if you feel the engine of a wave you want to embrace her strong and want her well.

mv are cafone, very cafonissime (called in the good sense), very expensive, but actually they are something different from the two wheels used to go to work.
a hornet, a cbr, (to name the most popular, but not the ones I prefer) are jewels of style and technology without limits.

p.s.
My favorite stays always and still the ninja 636, although I never had a famine because... basically I do. But if I had the money and family status, I would have it in the garage!

 

[VITO]

is discussion is still too calm :d:d:d anyway...for me the biker remains what strikes the bike(((((((((((((((((()))))))))))))))))))) also in winter, with so much rain. :
Then. . love for Italian style, as far as I am concerned, there is and there will always be; However, the duchies are inspiring me. ..just take a gsx-r 1000 k9, mount it under a "scarichino" yoshimura gp evo ii and....believe me....has a sound...from fainting. a few weeks ago, in a marine rose (near ostuni) there was a kind of d-day (for ducats).... was left all day to sgas. It could be a hundred, perhaps even less; around 17 a dozen Japanese ( panic) arrived who began to "move" those pistons... and the duchies, did not feel the cough.
I have a kawasaki zr7....is 2000 still with the legendary carburetor: with the original exhaust... has a sound that puts the shivers. the duchies...son nice to see!!!! the Japanese...son nice to drive!!!!

 

[Fulvio Romano]

((((((((((((((()))))))))))))))))) also in winter, with a lot of rain. :

as the slogan of tucan: "Moto always in moto"

a few weeks ago, in a marine rose (near ostuni) there was a kind of d-day (for ducats).... was left all day to sgas. It could be a hundred, perhaps even less; around 17 a dozen Japanese ( panic) arrived who began to "move" those pistons... and the duchies, did not feel the cough.

Well, if you're pulling with a hayabusa, you only hope if you're on a dragonster!

I have a kawasaki zr7....is 2000 still with the legendary carburetor: with the original exhaust... has a sound that puts the shivers.

great motorcycle, my older sister (er5).
Now there are the z750 and the er6, I think they are beautiful both.

 

[Daniele84]

Hello everyone...:smile:
"harleysta," "teacher"? ? It seems to me that they are words that identify only the marks of the means (type alfista or ferrarista), I have a dukedom 695, I greet the jap, and also the enduro and before being duketist I feel absolutely motorcyclist. ..centauro according to me is only who goes around with a supersportsman:biggrin:
I said this beginning to say that in my opinion 80% of those who buy a duchy rather than a yamaha or honda does not do it either for desmo, nor for the characteristics of the frame.....it does it for aesthetics, for the blason (Italian or jap that it is) for noise (in this case the dry friction diatribe is there). After that, I can say that a monster with frame of traliccio forgives many + errors that a z750, which I tried; formidable extension, hallucinating motor, but make us a mountain road or even three rounds in succession and then see. ..this regarding naked, supersportives I don't have much experience!

 

[desMoira]

The frame is a good thing on the track. Rigid cycling, which snaps when you decide to go down in fold, and does not move when you quickly piege opposed.
In the street, you have a granite block with two springs below. Take a rock in the corner and you're in the hands of the gentleman.
a cradle instead gives progressive elasticity from the handlebar to the tires, and increases the damping. If you arrive in the curve in the fourth, stains, brakes and put the second during the fold, you would be fused on the public street, but the frame forgives you, and it can also be that you remain with the jacket of glossy skin.

We are not here!
from you I expected a serious thread, interventions out of the ordinary... of those who have the technical wrist beyond personal tastes.
And what do I find?? the usual men of the duchies money thrown. ..costa more a cutting to a duchie than 10 to a jap... but the clutch is broken?... how many screws per km ago?...:3559:
I let you chat but this shooter on the cyclist made me realize that you would really need to take a nice ride with someone monster endowed who drives it worthyly!:biggrin:

fulvio, you talk about motion with adjustments made by thosechelajap. you have no idea what it means to bring a monster600 flea designed 20 years ago to lima waste and pedane to the face of the superstructures of the double cradle supersports in die-cast aluminum alloy.
the original adjustments on a 600 are minimal, you can play on the viscosity of the fork oil, on the preload of the mono spring and on the brake in extension, on the height of the bow (minimously). I mounted the lower handlebar and I oriented it forward, toh... you're done. It's the base that's priceless, I repeat: without inconvenience to mount ohlins&co. I can tell you that if I take a bump in the fold my bike is on a track, it doesn't move and never quit. and forgive me if I arrive long. the motor brake of the carburetor bike makes you play, it is a bisbetic to tame. I can tell you that you can take off from 5th to 2nd and take the hairpin bend up by rubbing, giving the biada also to the r6s and to the cbr. I can say that to us in succession is an invaluable dance, that you are driving and not she who brings you. It is to take a bull for the horns and find it with the agility of a feline. it is to push in fold with the inner part and also with the outer knee that pushes down the tank, you who find yourself in practice all on one side and then everything on the other and the motion that spins and never betrays. and it is only a 600 carburetors. and you danced at reduced speed. and you made 16 miles a liter.
I also tell you that I arrived with my knees, shoulders and broken wrists but so much satisfied after 600 km of Tosco-Emilian steps made in one day (some bissati).
then I did a piece with a z1000 and of course I tell you that it is a toy, that folds alone, that it seemed to be on one of those puppets with the cu*o piombato who always stand alone so much are stable, that the space between two hairpins with a motor so was nothing, that the overtakings you make them 4 at a time and if you have a little fur (I don't much) you do any effort. the same 600 km you do and get laid. how to drive a utility vs an flagship.
but with all these pros I tell you that what I hate with mine I would never do. and with all these pros on the tight mix in front there was always the monsterino, which I led him or not.
I'm not going to set foot in the valley, and on the fast curves, I'm going to go out, but this is a question of category. each bike has its target. every biker has its own style and preferences. for the kind of road I like my bike is almost perfect. a m900 I would have preferred it. for streetfighter are willing to change tastes! !
the monster is a bicycle only x who cannot drive it. for those who do not have the physical!:tongue:
to love my bike does not prevent me from appreciating others nor to recognize its limits. I wish I could try the dorsoduro, the tnt, the superduke, the fz1... But I'd try to figure it out. but let's give to cesare what is to cesare, that although small and black also the m600 does beautiful things! I am sorry not to have a dry clutch, I enjoy playing the alarms of the cars and I have the “cat” as I want for how customizable it is. question of tastes. This is mine.
the frame to "shade" obsolete. because we like die-casts, because aluminum, because new technologies... yet combined continues to have his why. in the middle stat virtus. and the duchies know it, and the aprilia knows it, and look a little bit like the mv! Of course, then duchies himself does not take it in motion gp, but the speech is always the same: question of target. but the rule of simplicity in the design (which is not banality), is decayed?
and then as “what is needed a desmo if you get to 19000giri per min even without” ...which means, since yamaha manages to compete with duchies without desmo then this must be abolished? a mechanism of unparalleled precision and elegance must be abolished in favor of what the rest of the world has chosen as a solution for distribution? all the world does there, and duchies do so! so much hat to those who break the schemes! both types of distribution allow you to achieve exceptional performance. but change the style!! is the proof that design is art, there is no only one functional solution...it is not an equation that has a uniquely decisive solution. is creativity. quoque you want to deny it for the taste of chatting anti-ducatista from bar? ?
the rationality and technical skills of those who attend this forum cannot fail from the technical point of view these that are style choices. then on tastes everyone has his own. (but my parents are better! :dd)
flash to all!

 

[re_solidworks]

I add a note..chi in motogp turns to 19000 rpm has the pneumatic return of the valves, not the springs of the house of the bearing. . .

 

[Er Presidente]

boys (yes to say :tongue...lamp to all!

Botoo!! ! !
I read all of a breath. . .

p.s.: and I who remained at norton (without cradle and with the frame "monotrave")! ! !
:biggrin:

 

[Exatem]

... then on tastes everyone has his own. (but my parents are better! :dd)
flash to all!

Where were you hiding?
the eternal quotator quotes you for eternity. . .

 

[ipotemusa]

We are not here!
from you I expected a serious thread, interventions out of the ordinary... of those who have the technical wrist beyond personal tastes.
And what do I find?? the usual men of the duchies money thrown. ..costa more a cutting to a duchie than 10 to a jap... but the clutch is broken?... how many screws per km ago?...:3559:
I let you chat but this shooter on the cyclist made me realize that you would really need to take a nice ride with someone monster endowed who drives it worthyly!:biggrin:

fulvio, you talk about motion with adjustments made by thosechelajap. you have no idea what it means to bring a monster600 flea designed 20 years ago to lima waste and pedane to the face of the superstructures of the double cradle supersports in die-cast aluminum alloy.
the original adjustments on a 600 are minimal, you can play on the viscosity of the fork oil, on the preload of the mono spring and on the brake in extension, on the height of the bow (minimously). I mounted the lower handlebar and I oriented it forward, toh... you're done. It's the base that's priceless, I repeat: without inconvenience to mount ohlins&co. I can tell you that if I take a bump in the fold my bike is on a track, it doesn't move and never quit. and forgive me if I arrive long. the motor brake of the carburetor bike makes you play, it is a bisbetic to tame. I can tell you that you can take off from 5th to 2nd and take the hairpin bend up by rubbing, giving the biada also to the r6s and to the cbr. I can say that to us in succession is an invaluable dance, that you are driving and not she who brings you. It is to take a bull for the horns and find it with the agility of a feline. it is to push in fold with the inner part and also with the outer knee that pushes down the tank, you who find yourself in practice all on one side and then everything on the other and the motion that spins and never betrays. and it is only a 600 carburetors. and you danced at reduced speed. and you made 16 miles a liter.
I also tell you that I arrived with my knees, shoulders and broken wrists but so much satisfied after 600 km of Tosco-Emilian steps made in one day (some bissati).
then I did a piece with a z1000 and of course I tell you that it is a toy, that folds alone, that it seemed to be on one of those puppets with the cu*o piombato who always stand alone so much are stable, that the space between two hairpins with a motor so was nothing, that the overtakings you make them 4 at a time and if you have a little fur (I don't much) you do any effort. the same 600 km you do and get laid. how to drive a utility vs an flagship.
but with all these pros I tell you that what I hate with mine I would never do. and with all these pros on the tight mix in front there was always the monsterino, which I led him or not.
I'm not going to set foot in the valley, and on the fast curves, I'm going to go out, but this is a question of category. each bike has its target. every biker has its own style and preferences. for the kind of road I like my bike is almost perfect. a m900 I would have preferred it. for streetfighter are willing to change tastes! !
the monster is a bicycle only x who cannot drive it. for those who do not have the physical!:tongue:
to love my bike does not prevent me from appreciating others nor to recognize its limits. I wish I could try the dorsoduro, the tnt, the superduke, the fz1... But I'd try to figure it out. but let's give to cesare what is to cesare, that although small and black also the m600 does beautiful things! I am sorry not to have a dry clutch, I enjoy playing the alarms of the cars and I have the “cat” as I want for how customizable it is. question of tastes. This is mine.
the frame to "shade" obsolete. because we like die-casts, because aluminum, because new technologies... yet combined continues to have his why. in the middle stat virtus. and the duchies know it, and the aprilia knows it, and look a little bit like the mv! Of course, then duchies himself does not take it in motion gp, but the speech is always the same: question of target. but the rule of simplicity in the design (which is not banality), is decayed?
and then as “what is needed a desmo if you get to 19000giri per min even without” ...which means, since yamaha manages to compete with duchies without desmo then this must be abolished? a mechanism of unparalleled precision and elegance must be abolished in favor of what the rest of the world has chosen as a solution for distribution? all the world does there, and duchies do so! so much hat to those who break the schemes! both types of distribution allow you to achieve exceptional performance. but change the style!! is the proof that design is art, there is no only one functional solution...it is not an equation that has a uniquely decisive solution. is creativity. quoque you want to deny it for the taste of chatting anti-ducatista from bar? ?
the rationality and technical skills of those who attend this forum cannot fail from the technical point of view these that are style choices. then on tastes everyone has his own. (but my parents are better! :dd)
flash to all!

I agree with you:
with the m900 of 97 (68cv, indeed, mussi) as soon as you arrived where it was used to drive started the libidine, another ke 4 cylinders.
then I had the vtr1000f, original was inguidable.... until I changed pumping and springs fork (200.000 lire) and a aluminum thickness of 4 mm between the mono and frame (0 lire, made in clamp with seghetto and file) became exceptional, better than the m900.
then I passed to the 4 cylinders for exclusive use on track, and I assure you ke on the road I would never use them (r1 apart, has the pros of the 2 and of the 4 cylinders).
with the bicylinders (desmust or not) you enjoy the quadruple risking half.

ps the monster frame is fantastic, forgives everything (against fixes) and is a rock.
I've seen too many on the duchies and on the mvs, I'm just motorcycle jap, anke if the musigialli lie to me!

silvio

 

[SHIREN]

It's a matter of taste.
the duchies (as harleys in their field) have the charm of the old motorcycle.
.
when the duchy (or gilera or benelli) made motion worthy of admiration the honda made gates that were not good nenache to close a hen
.

:hahahah:

we are not there
the rationality and technical skills of those who attend this forum cannot fail from the technical point of view these that are style choices. then on tastes everyone has his own. (but my parents are better! :dd)
flash to all!

♪
I dedicate the photo to those who make the made in italy
its idea of prog-ingegnerization-industrialization
is paraphrasing max....
when in italy he did the "vespa"
Others not even nu fetid and black moscone made

 

[maxopus]

boys the babe gives you 4 turns every 2.... chapeau :4425:.
I remain with my ideas, go visit the softweight museum, you will realize what we have been in the motorcycle field and what we are still, despite the decadence.
we Italians are the great experimenters, unconscious and desperate, and among the 10,000 experiments we do every day there is always someone who does, in his small, the bang.