average hourly rate for mechanical processing

[ggg]

Good morning to all,

I am trying to collect data on the average hourly rate by type of mechanical processing, specifically milling and turning of metals, and type of machine. by hourly rate I mean the total cost (handling, machine depreciation, etc...) which is then used to calculate the final price according to how long it takes to produce the order.

For example, the hourly rate for a complex workmanship such as the milling of a part with a five-axis working center will differ from a simple turning or two-axis milling process, so I would expect that an hour processing at the lathe costs less than a five-axis processing. I realize that these values can vary very much depending on the geographical region, workshop size etc... but I was looking for an average indicative range (for example, simple turning 40-50 euro/hour).

Thank you so much!

 

[antonio_sc]

from what little I remember, traditional lathes hourly prices are around 30/40€ (also 3 axis working centers)
for the rest depends, I had a detailed document once. If I find him, I'd like to.

 

[meccanicamg]

varies a lot from company size, machine tool level, technology level, infrastructure cost, materials, precision etc....we are from 20€ to 150€. Better calibrate with costs on your suppliers.

 

[brn]

but by curiosity how do these values get them? and since we are on the subject how could I calculate them for example for assembly time?

 

[meccanicamg]

are all championship values, timed, constrained, general expenses etc., making you get plausible prices.
I have an excel sheet that takes into account all this and if you are looking for a dedicated post though it is cut out on companies that work for us or our machine tools....with good dose of hour focomelia...you can start there....I see that this is a replica of my post.

 

[meccanicamg]

I start from the fact that the operator costs 30€/hour whatever it is. then there are times for machines depending on the axles to be added to the operator cost and we go from 5€/h for a manual milling machine, 15€/h for a 3assi cnc milling machine to reach 65€/h for a working center.
but what you need is to determine the times for drilling and processing, using the average removal volumes for grinding and finishing....and the total add the presetting time and placing.
I don't normally compare quotes to this way. I often use it to evaluate costs of products obtained differently to do the same.... especially when they give me a budget and I have to do research and development.

 

[rinato]

I suppose you're talking about serial work, at least small series.
If you have to deal with a series of single pieces it is necessary to make mediums up, and often not enough.

 

[meccanicamg]

I suppose you're talking about serial work, at least small series.
If you have to deal with a series of single pieces it is necessary to make mediums up, and often not enough.

I'm talking about a...two pieces... made to make a non-standard machine. If it's okay, I have 10 washers... .

 

[ggg]

thank you all for the answers!

from what little I remember, traditional lathes hourly prices are around 30/40€ (also 3 axis working centers)
for the rest depends, I had a detailed document once. If I find him, I'd like to.

I think it would be very useful to consult a detailed document, let us know if you find it.

I start from the fact that the operator costs 30€/hour whatever it is. then there are times for machines depending on the axles to be added to the operator cost and we go from 5€/h for a manual milling machine, 15€/h for a 3assi cnc milling machine to reach 65€/h for a working center.

This is the kind of information I was looking for, could you put the excel file here you're talking about? I can't find him in the forum.

from what I read I have some considerations/questions:

• my question is only inherent in the hourly rate by type of machine/work, not at the total cost of the part.
• If on the one hand the hourly rate can vary very much depending on different factors (business size, breakage costs, etc.), at the same time I have as the impression that the market itself is the most decisive factor and this makes the variation cannot be excessive. I understand better: if I ask two workshops to produce a part and, at the same quality, I apply a double hourly rate of the other for various reasons not related to the part itself, it seems obvious to me what will be my final choice.
• Are there any statistical sources that collect this type of data? how do you calculate the hourly rate (not working times etc.) so that it does not differ completely from another workshop in the area? If you miss the hourly rate, you can also calculate the working time at the thousandth but the order you lose.

for now we have:

• manual milling machine: 35 €/h (meccanicamg), 30/40 €/h (antonio_sc)
• 3 axle milling machine: 45 €/h (mechanicalmg), 30/40 €/h (antonio_sc)
• 5 axes working center: 95 €/h (meccanicamg)

 

[meccanicamg]

companies that do mechanical processing on behalf of third parties know well the general expenses and the visa of all activities, so they know how much to increase on the pure cost of the work to be performed. the cellarers put us on a 30/40%.
it can also cost about equal to the hour but if you don't have the big car you have to regret several times and the cost becomes a +200% quickly.
There are factors to be evaluated and we need to know how to really work.

 

[welcome to the machine]

If we talk about "obvious" processing, e.g. turning a simple shaft, the hourly cost is a good indication, although not the only one to determine the cost of the piece; Just imagine, on a processing of about fifty pieces, the difference of working time between a lathe with automatic feed of the bar and one without. but on the most complex processes, for example the milling with more than 2 axes in interpolation and more faces to work, the difference is made by the ability of the supplier to find the optimal way to perform the piece and the quality of the machine it has.

 

[IronMike87]

Good morning to all,

I am trying to collect data on the average hourly rate by type of mechanical processing, specifically milling and turning of metals, and type of machine. by hourly rate I mean the total cost (handling, machine depreciation, etc...) which is then used to calculate the final price according to how long it takes to produce the order.

For example, the hourly rate for a complex workmanship such as the milling of a part with a five-axis working center will differ from a simple turning or two-axis milling process, so I would expect that an hour processing at the lathe costs less than a five-axis processing. I realize that these values can vary very much depending on the geographical region, workshop size etc... but I was looking for an average indicative range (for example, simple turning 40-50 euro/hour).

Thank you so much!

The answer you ask is much more complex than the question can be asked.

first you would need to understand a few things:

• Are we talking about significant batches or one-time "ad hoc" pieces?
• who gives you the pieces is subject to a control of blessing to start production, or do you fully rely on its certification of the piece?

already with these 2 simple questions you can make an idea of the pieces you require and consequently the target of the potential supply company.

the cost then depends a lot on the piece to be realized and the machines available to a company.


banal case: axle turning of a long and thin piece.
red f.lli company asks you 20€/pz
the company f.lli white asks you 40€/pz.
It's not said white people are trying to screw you. Perhaps more simply they do not have a lathe with motorized lunettes and therefore they are forced to work the piece on several occasions, with obvious increment of the working time. trying to standardize everything, it's a piece of work, and I don't think it's even fruitful. better know the structures of potential suppliers and tarnish on them.

said this, making quote is a workman

 

[TorMec]

are all championship values, timed, constrained, general expenses etc., making you get plausible prices.
I have an excel sheet that takes into account all this and if you are looking for a dedicated post though it is cut out on companies that work for us or our machine tools....with good dose of hour focomelia...you can start there....I see that this is a replica of my post.

hi I was talking about this topic just a few days ago with colleagues, could you kindly send me a copy of your excel file? I would be useful to talk to the workshop.

 

[meccanicamg]

hi I was talking about this topic just a few days ago with colleagues, could you kindly send me a copy of your excel file? I would be useful to talk to the workshop.

very sweaty and fatigued.... the parameters and logic I wrote them in the various posts. the figures are adequate to the company reality. ...can you put yourself to it? ?

 

[TETRASTORE]

I would like to apologize if I recall this old discussion but I would like to ask some questions since my experience is related to serial production, so with a different management of the costs of the orders mentioned in previous posts.

case 1 -constructor
when the customer asks you a quote for a new machine or device never built before, he already gives you the drawings, or you must first make a project, even approximate, to be able to assess the costs of the individual parts?

case 2 - external design study
In this case the client will surely ask you to execute a project on the basis of his basic indications for which he will be predicted the only cost of this activity.
in addition to the cost of the project, can you sometimes also ask for the advancement for the construction even if he does it internally or with own suppliers?

Thank you.

 

[PIETRO2002]

I would like to apologize if I recall this old discussion but I would like to ask some questions since my experience is related to serial production, so with a different management of the costs of the orders mentioned in previous posts.

case 1 -constructor
when the customer asks you a quote for a new machine or device never built before, he already gives you the drawings, or you must first make a project, even approximate, to be able to assess the costs of the individual parts?

case 2 - external design study
In this case the client will surely ask you to execute a project on the basis of his basic indications for which he will be predicted the only cost of this activity.
in addition to the cost of the project, can you sometimes also ask for the advancement for the construction even if he does it internally or with own suppliers?

Thank you.

I'm sorry I can't answer you, in the sense that I'm in a 3 case, we design and build special equipment/machines for our internal use.
we do a preliminary study and a maximum estimate for the required budget, if approved, we do the final project by prioriating the costs of the details built internally and requiring the offers for those built by external suppliers and for the material from trade.

 

[meccanicamg]

Case 1.
You have to arrange. You're taking over. the customer never provides anything....maybe you can see some photos of the competition.
I am quite accustomed to doing new and strange things and therefore you have to do the maximum study, make yourself make the quote and then offer a cost rated.

 

[TETRASTORE]

Okay, thanks. @ pietro2002 e @meccanicamg.

 

[Gioan]

I'm talking to you as a builder.
the big customers, have nowadays, moved almost all the productive activities to external suppliers, keeping in the house only final assembly (sometimes even that) and testing. they find themselves to have young designers completely inexperienced on production processes and related costs (not because they would miss us, but because they can no longer see and experiment inside). in this situation a co-design activity between customer and supplier is always necessary in order to provide a targeted estimate on the real need of the customer.

 

[TETRASTORE]

Thanks gioan. at this point I see an analogy between @gioan e @meccanicamg; in practice an increasing number of companies prefer to focus more on sales, marketing and service, delegating outside among other functions, also design and purchase of individual components. this means that the customer has a great advantage because the cost of the finished machine is found, while the supplier must take charge of all the problems type chosen suppliers and negotiations on hundreds of components.

are found to have young designers completely inexperienced on production processes and related costs

As far as design is concerned, I think that at this point it will be increasingly up to independent external technical studies to form new professional figures prepared within not only mechanical design but also with in-depth knowledge of production methods. .