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[Er Presidente]

Boys
I need a hand.
a mechanical friend exposed me his idea that I think is interesting, rightly innovative and useful to solve a particular problem on super power turbochargers.
It's not a miraculous thing from "perpetual motion", it's a device that solves a specific problem, and it seems to me a good idea (and I said everything, I hope! :smile: ).
Now, in a sector like the automotive sector of great consumption, defending and monetizing an idea is arduous work.
I want to be able to patent it, but I don't know where to start.
I would need help to set the job well and the bureaucratic part, starting from the verification if there is already such a patented thing.

I mean, I need a hand, how do I tell you?? ! ? !
:biggrin:

p.s.: I am a state maid, he works by getting his hands dirty, I renounce any economic benefit, he sure needs someone to lead him into his business, I can't guarantee the emoluments, but surely, if anything comes out, it won't be time thrown to the wind!

 

[cacciatorino]

Boys
I need a hand.
a mechanical friend exposed me his idea that I think is interesting, rightly innovative and useful to solve a particular problem on super power turbochargers.
It's not a miraculous thing from "perpetual motion", it's a device that solves a specific problem, and it seems to me a good idea (and I said everything, I hope! :smile: ).
Now, in a sector like the automotive sector of great consumption, defending and monetizing an idea is arduous work.
I want to be able to patent it, but I don't know where to start.
I would need help to set the job well and the bureaucratic part, starting from the verification if there is already such a patented thing.

I mean, I need a hand, how do I tell you?? ! ? !
:biggrin:

p.s.: I am a state maid, he works by getting his hands dirty, I renounce any economic benefit, he sure needs someone to lead him into his business, I can't guarantee the emoluments, but surely, if anything comes out, it won't be time thrown to the wind!

I have a friend working in a company that deals with patenting on behalf of third parties, if you want I send you in mp the reference. But I don't know if they want 500 hours to answer the phone.

But I swear she's my friend... when she's older...

 

[Fulvio Romano]

the world of patents is quite arduous. it is always best to rely on industry experts.
I followed a patent in person, I saw how the dedicated offices work.. It's not a sudden thing, even because you spend money, and then just a comma put in the wrong place and throws in the wind all the work.

However, the first step to do is a patent investigation, to see what spaces there are. If there is any request already made it is advisable to activate a surveillance.
then you go to the drafting of the question.

I know a good office dealing with these things. It's in friars, which is part of "globo" but I don't know what point of "globo" you preside...

 

[Er Presidente]

I have a friend working in a company that deals with patenting on behalf of third parties, if you want I send you in mp the reference. But I don't know if they want 500 hours to answer the phone.

But I swear she's my friend... when she's older...

Don't break!
:smile:
It's true that a friend's idea called me to get an opinion on the idea and how to move on.

 

[Er Presidente]

the world of patents is quite arduous. it is always best to rely on industry experts.
I followed a patent in person, I saw how the dedicated offices work.. It's not a sudden thing, even because you spend money, and then just a comma put in the wrong place and throws in the wind all the work.

However, the first step to do is a patent investigation, to see what spaces there are. If there is any request already made it is advisable to activate a surveillance.
then you go to the drafting of the question.

I know a good office dealing with these things. It's in friars, which is part of "globo" but I don't know what point of "globo" you preside...

we are south of roma, so in almost terronia, in the area they are all tangerine and I do not trust.
I honestly wanted to try to do it myself. Is it possible that this is so difficult?

 

[mariuss.r]

we are south of roma, so in almost terronia, in the area they are all tangerine and I do not trust.
I honestly wanted to try to do it myself. Is it possible that this is so difficult?

You can do it yourself, I know who's been doing it for years.

Start from here http://www.uibm.gov.it

e qui ...http://www.uibm.gov.it/it/moduli/then maybe a look at the European database to understand how patent documents are structured. . .
http://gb.espacenet.com/search97cgi/s97_cgi.exe?action=formgen&template=gb/en/advanced.htsthe cost of the deposit of a patent in Italy costs more or less 160 euros, if I do not remember badly.

 

[linch]

we are south of roma, so in almost terronia, in the area they are all tangerine and I do not trust.
I honestly wanted to try to do it myself. Is it possible that this is so difficult?

turn to your province's patent office. They will tell you how to download the form from the internet.
There is a site where you can verify if the idea has already been patented, and by whom. in case it is not, for a utility patent, you will have to present a whole set of forms compiled where you will specify all the data of the inventor, the type of utility, and a design of assembly where the functionality of the renewal is visible. Finally you can make it valid only in Italy or worldwide, depends on the money you release.

 

[Er Presidente]

Thanks to everyone, I'll study everything and keep you updated!

Thank you very much.
:smile:

 

[haga78]

I read a discussion about this:
http://www.cad3d.it/forum1/showthread.php?t=19386I recently came across a patent idea.
the speech is that you should rely on companies dedicated specifically to this work: they put themselves to frugal to see if there is already something similar and if so it is not cure all the practice.
consider that submitting a patent application is not simple, because you have to know what to say and what not to say to not leave flanks discovered to the enemy (this society is able to write in an unnatural language for any other person).
In general it is advisable to patent the principle and not the specific application to prevent someone changing a comma from circumventing the obstacle.
Of course this is not free: it is about 2500-3000 euros. then you have to see in which country you want to register it and annual payments to keep it.
However in roma there is a enough reference company that deals with this.

 

[GP.]

from a reading to the faqs of this site:
http://www.ufficiobrevetti.it/faq/brevetti/index.html

 

[riccardot5765]

you can turn to the Chamber of Commerce of your province as now patents pass by there, while patent offices are in Rome and Milan. I also went through patents and wanted to do it myself, but then I decided to turn to an expert because the documents are so many and there is to bang our heads

 

[Meccbell]

for a first approach I confirm that the only one is to go to the patent office of the local Chamber of Commerce.
if nothing else to be given all the assistance that can already come away aggratis, without having to finish a mouth to some bitches of a private studio, which maybe asks some keuro just to do a research that can be done alone to the sites mentioned or always through the offices of the Chamber of Commerce.

Then in some cases I know that they also help in the actual instructor of the practice and, if you do not go too much on the superspecialist, they also give some practical advice on how to make a filing-proof.

Since you are Roman de roma, then you can start from herehttp://www.rm.camcom.it/pagina113_brevetti-modelli-marchi.html

 

[Wolfman]

Keep in mind that if you turn to patent companies, you will have to prepare the necessary documentation, they only fix it, they are hardly technical, they are normally all lawyers. patent companies are the same ones that will then defend yours. for what concerns the after patent if the application sector is the automotive and the patent is interesting, let's ask the case that some car manufacturer (maybe the same as you have contacted for the sale of the patent) produces something like that.what do you do? You can do it.
consider that then to defend it you will have to spend spending . after spending the impossible, in court you will not be sure of the reason as who decides is a judge helped by a peritum as you will have yours and others will have a side. consider that if you are wrong (which is very likely) you will have to pay all expenses including those of the adverse party.My advice is to inform you well and read similar patents. best prepare the documentation and patent yourself. If they decide to copy it to you big car manufacturers, you don't have hope they'll make you to pieces. tries to sell the patent but never provide any copy of the same or patent number. for 18 months from the deposit is all secret.

 

[Er Presidente]

Keep in mind that if you turn to patent companies, you will have to prepare the necessary documentation, they only fix it, they are hardly technical, they are normally all lawyers. patent companies are the same ones that will then defend yours. for what concerns the after patent if the application sector is the automotive and the patent is interesting, let's ask the case that some car manufacturer (maybe the same as you have contacted for the sale of the patent) produces something like that.what do you do? You can do it.
consider that then to defend it you will have to spend spending . after spending the impossible, in court you will not be sure of the reason as who decides is a judge helped by a peritum as you will have yours and others will have a side. consider that if you are wrong (which is very likely) you will have to pay all expenses including those of the adverse party.My advice is to inform you well and read similar patents. best prepare the documentation and patent yourself. If they decide to copy it to you big car manufacturers, you don't have hope they'll make you to pieces. tries to sell the patent but never provide any copy of the same or patent number. for 18 months from the deposit is all secret.

Thank you, in fact, the scenario I have is exactly what you describe.
I'm convinced that going to the experts doesn't solve you much.

I am studying the legislation, a first big doubt comes from the distinction between "use patent" and "industrial patent", I read the description:

"Industrial invention is a new finding, which is something that does not exist in the state of art. can be a tool, tool or device and also a new industrial processing process. "

"the utility model and a found that provides particular effectiveness, convenience of application or use to machines or parts of them, tools, tools and objects. "

I'm going to be hard, but the distinction between the two cases at least seems to me smoky, and the difference is substantial, the industrial patent lasts 20 years that of utility 5.

In my case it would be a device to be mounted on a turbine, as it could be a wast-gate valve, I would tend to consider it a "device that does not exist", but then they could check it out and consider it a "useful machine part".

If I'm wrong the question then, I'll be able to fix it later.

Hi.

 

[fab69]

Dear President, I mean a little patent because I followed a lot of them.
My advice is a little meccbell, that is, try to get more info that you can "gratis", via the internet and chambers of commerce, but after you saw that the idea can be good, it goes for a serious study.
patents are written in one's own language, the "bravettese", which those who do not master and do not understand risk getting screwed.
example, recent, we found a patent "do-it-yourself" of a competitor, time to read a few things, you immediately figured out how to circumvent it in a completely legal correct law!
So, the DIY is good only at the beginning, then no, exposes at the risk of wasting so much effort for nothing.. .
in the merit of your idea, as it is described I see it as a utility patent, but it must be analyzed as you must!

 

[zeigs]

put so I would tell you that the wheel is an industrial patent, the rubber applied to the rim is useful (I did not reinvent the wheel, I made it better)
but the same thing is applicable to sleigh and cart, if I mean it as a sled to which I applied the wheels: In this case the wheel is a utility patent.
if I do not remember bad patents are drawn up at various levels: idea, application, implementation of this, and so on. at every level you go more and more in detail, so to the first you define the idea (the wheel, understood as the round object of every measure able to roll), then the application (the cart, the sled intended as object for the transport of other objects already existed), etc. in practice then go to defend the various violations (and the possible royalties): I would patent the wheel as industrial and cart as application. Okay, it's less hard, but I can always make up my roller skates. then skates is my idea, but if they want to use my wheel to make us skateboard they pay me royalties for the wheel, otherwise they are found with a snowboard. and pay me the idea of a personal locomotion based on my wheel that in the meantime I patented: skates, which will be defined at a level as a means of personal locomotion that uses the wheel, and then as application of that wheel to a pair of shoes, in variable number so I also brake rollerblades. and the guy who invents the rubberized wheel, better: they will pay me the wheel, to him the rubberized wheel... If I'm already producing the carts, I'll make the wheels full rubber and the brake:biggrin:

Yes, writing a patent is an art

 

[mariuss.r]

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In my case it would be a device to be mounted on a turbine, as it could be a wast-gate valve, I would tend to consider it a "device that does not exist", but then they could check it out and consider it a "useful machine part".

If I'm wrong the question then, I'll be able to fix it later.

Hi.

egr er President

I would do a research in the European database to see if something like that already exists.
and also to understand if similar utilitarian devices were patented as "use patent" or "industrial".

The risk is to patent something that has already been patented or to part of the patent already filed.
in Italy there is no serious research on the part of the premises, so it would be possible to patent also hot water without any objective anything.
such research would be (in theory) at the expense of those famous offices that cost a bang, and here explained in part the reason for the cost.



inserting in the advanced search mask the following search keys

keyword(s) in title or abstract: turbines
application: fiat research (or volkswgen ..eccc.ecc.. )

the following results appear. .
http://v3.espacenet.com/searchresults?bookmarkedresults=true&submitted=true&db=epodoc&locale=en_gb&sf=a&first=1&cy=gb&lg=en&&ti=&ab=turbine&pn=&ap=&pr=&pd=&pa=fiat+ricerche&in=&ec=&ic=You know the right terms that describe what you're patenting, you won't have a hard time finding out if you have any news or not, and probably how to classify it.

ps : I forgot that from the espacenet site it is possible to download (free) patent pdf

 

[Er Presidente]

buy!

p.s.: della serie "non posssoarvi"!

query

: Jiggrin:

 

[Wolfman]

so that the ways to invalidate your patent can be varied.
definitely your friend before getting to know the patent made you sign a confidentiality agreement that you then provided to send you as recommended with return receipt to get the whole dated legally useful. or he paid you with a check with the date of the confidentiality document signed by you two where he assigned you the assignment of advice. and certainly did not tell anyone, because this would imply the public domain.not answer me on this point.
Also verify that your patent does not fit into an existing patent.I explain better.if I have patented the ballpoint pen and you have patented the mechanism to get in and out the tip of the pen, I can build my pen without your mechanism but you can not build the pen without my consent.
I am willing to assert my rights and spend a package of money without having certainties to win?? if the answer is addressed to specialists.

 

[Er Presidente]

the inventor's intention would be to patent and sell the "ball pen mechanism" as quickly as possible.

It is not in its ability to compete with turbine manufacturers.

I don't think we'd ever be able to deal with a cause with colossi, but before we put it, it would be useful to patent.
Unless there's a simpler way of patenting to be able to talk to "gigants" without being found without underwear!
:smile: