calender lamiera

[TECNOMECH]

Good evening, everyone.
I am again here to ask for your help.
I thank in advance all those who will intervene in the discussion.
I find myself that my client uses in several of his flat sheet designs and then falls. I wondered if it was possible with inventor to draw this one with the sheet function to be able to obtain the development at the table.
according to you can do as above exposed?
I hope I have been clear enough in the exposure of my problem.

 

[Alby189]

I would advise you to redesign them in inventor having the kindness to adapt it to the needs for automatic development, of course without overturning the required geometry, I do not see big problems. If your customers already have a 3d sent the step, so do everything faster.
In any case several of our suppliers, although I send the development of the sheets, they also ask me the 3d to be able to change the mathematics by allowing the ironing. . .
If you need more, ask!

 

[TECNOMECH]

My difficulty is precisely in the execution of the particular in sheet metal environment.
I attach images to be clearer.
the result I have to get is that of the image1, but I can't get it in the sheet environment and manage it as then I did for pictures 2 and 3.
in these as you see I have my angle and I can also get the flat model. If instead I want to have a calandrate angle (image1) in sheet metal environment I can't get it and I have to get it in modeling environment. In this way I lose the management of the development of the sheet that my client wants in the table.

 

[Alby189]

Clearly, unfortunately I don't know how to help you! I don't think inventor develops that kind of geometries, for example an imbuted sheet can't develop it. . .
unless you do all the construction cuts, but you won't finish!
another solution would be to make development as in figure 2 and 3, then manually add a stretch due to the displacement, it could be an idea, but of dubious functionality. . .

 

[pompeo79]

I don't know if I understand. I don't work very hard on the plates. Are you looking for something like that?

 

[Alby189]

Ha! the 10 does not, what version did you use to do that development? Is it the classic floor view command or did you use any strange command? ?

 

[pompeo79]

Ha! the 10 does not, what version did you use to do that development? Is it the classic floor view command or did you use any strange command? ?

command flat pattern, not having version 10 I don't know what you "can't do", in fact at first I didn't understand the problem, better describe the part that creates more problems or just impossible.

 

[Tarkus]

command flat pattern, not having version 10 I don't know what you "can't do", in fact at first I didn't understand the problem, better describe the part that creates more problems or just impossible.

I don't think the solution to the problem is all in using the flat model command, probably it is necessary to follow the right method for creating the folded model.
Maybe if you're doing a good thing to everyone who doesn't understand it. Maybe attach the ipt...

 

[pompeo79]

I don't think the solution to the problem is all in using the flat model command, probably it is necessary to follow the right method for creating the folded model.
Maybe if you're doing a good thing to everyone who doesn't understand it. Maybe attach the ipt...

Yes, yes. I just wanted to see if what I posted was first of all what he did to his case,
and then understand where, using inv10, you had to stop or meet an obstacle.

allego l'ipt, (although I don't know how to consult it having an earlier version).

for development I acted exclusively in sheet metal environment.
- I've won the sketch of my sheet metal section
- I explained my virolature
-I have done cutting work in series
- I folded

 

[Alby189]

thanks for the ipt! I analyzed it, at home I have the 2011 trial version in English.
I understood how you did, in version 10 there were no "unfold" and "refold" commands.
in practice you have drawn the already calandated and folded sheet, you have made it straight with "unfold", you have made the sunbeds, and with "refold" you have made it calandated... good! in the 10 instead all this is not possible, always more happy to pass to 2012...
2011 also develops that geometry, instead the 10, admitted to drawing it well, does not succeed because it develops only "simple" folds.
Thank you, you were very kind!

 

[Alby189]

I also tried to generate a similar design, with inv 2011 I managed and it all works. I created the contour roll with a tilted plane, so having two curved faces, and also in this case it works.
I also tried to generate the same geometry without using the commands of the sheet, but with normal solids then converted, in that case it does not develop in plan, therefore in order to achieve a correct development it is necessary to generate the particular completely in the sheet environment. I attach the test design

 

[Tarkus]

thanks for the ipt! I analyzed it, at home I have the 2011 trial version in English.
I understood how you did, in version 10 there were no "unfold" and "refold" commands.
in practice you have drawn the already calandated and folded sheet, you have made it straight with "unfold", you have made the sunbeds, and with "refold" you have made it calandated... good! in the 10 instead all this is not possible, always more happy to pass to 2012...
2011 also develops that geometry, instead the 10, admitted to drawing it well, does not succeed because it develops only "simple" folds.
Thank you, you were very kind!

no, the solution jolly is not the commands explains and folds, you can 'obviate to these by adding a flat tangent part to the curvature of the piece, then sketch on this face, projection of the flat model, drawings the sunshades or holes you want, e.g., cut "through fold" and you have the same result.
the real jolly of the situation is the "profiling" command, without which you can't have a flanged and curved profile (violate as it says grape) and get the flat model.
This is, you can only do it since 2011.:biggrin:

 

[pompeo79]

bè fold/folding allows to do nice things even outside the cut.
At least, they were often useful to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phjefvz66ac

 

[Tarkus]

bè fold/folding allows to do nice things even outside the cut.
At least, they were often useful to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phjefvz66ac

I certainly do.
fold/fold is very useful and especially more direct than the method I described.
It was only to say in reference to the post of alby189, that the problem is not that you can not do operations on parts explained with 2010, but that you can not profile and therefore develop. . .

 

[Alby189]

Bye to all,
I am again here to ask for your help:
inventor 2012 does not develop the sheet of which I attach the drawing, where am I wrong? I can't understand the mistake!
Do you have any plans to give me? in heralth is not a sheet but a sticker... that cmq I designed as a sheet to see the development to give to the chart.. .

Thank you! !

 

[pompeo79]

Bye to all,
I am again here to ask for your help:
inventor 2012 does not develop the sheet of which I attach the drawing, where am I wrong? I can't understand the mistake!
Do you have any plans to give me? in heralth is not a sheet but a sticker... that cmq I designed as a sheet to see the development to give to the chart.. .

Thank you! !

Hi, Alby.

I think the road to follow is in the sketch.
I do not like these parts very much (see attachment),
Try to clean them a little by making lines of construction all you don't need.
Just tell me.

However, it is quiet, that part as it is, I have to develop it, no doubt.

 

[Peppe]

eliminates the flat model and regenerates it.... from me it works immediately

 

[pompeo79]

even better as he says peppe!

In any case you can explain. cute idea of stickers with inventor

 

[Alby189]

I have shaken you for such nonsense!! I never had a failed development solved with the elimination of the old development... never!
Thank you for your help! always nice and efficient! :finger:

for the sketch: I didn't even need those parts, I just did them to try to develop it, when I saw that it didn't develop the inserts to try... now cmq I just did the test and it works, then I removed those sealing ribs and only develops the inner part, so they serve cmq.

the idea of the adhesive came as the chart asked me the maximum dimensions usable, and as in the 3d devo cmq draw it for the renders and distinct, I did it as sheet, two pigeons with a fava! :biggrin:

Thank you again!