choice cam 5 axes

[Andrea.78]

Good morning to all, I am facing the delicate choice of buying software cam.
premetto that will be used to move a cnc haas 5 axes (roto-basculating table), and to create prototypes with difficulty
medium-high (with surfaces).
the cad from which the 3d will be imported is solidedge.
Does anyone have any useful advice?
There are no budget problems, I would be more oriented to the practicality of use and ease of learning.

thanks to all

 

[mancino21]

Good morning to all, I am facing the delicate choice of buying software cam.
premetto that will be used to move a cnc haas 5 axes (roto-basculating table), and to create prototypes with difficulty
medium-high (with surfaces).
the cad from which the 3d will be imported is solidedge.
Does anyone have any useful advice?
There are no budget problems, I would be more oriented to the practicality of use and ease of learning.

thanks to all

If you have no problem with spending one of the best cams is tebis............ I suggest you look also delcam that on the 5 axes is really good I now use it for many years (and it should cost a lot less than tebis). I think a step below for the cam but not much (although I must say that the integrated cad is much better than the delcam) is visi

 

[falonef]

If you have no problem with spending one of the best cams is tebis............ I suggest you look also delcam that on the 5 axes is really good I now use it for many years (and it should cost a lot less than tebis). I think a step below for the cam but not much (although I must say that the integrated cad is much better than the delcam) is visi

Hi.
in tebis or delcam the recovery of the files takes place through the step format or can I also import native delcad files?

 

[mancino21]

I don't think they can read native files......delcam has a paid form that allows you to read native caia files and I create for others I don't think. we as cad we have created and I give me the step (for me the best), iges or parasolid.tabis I can not answer

 

[falonef]

Are you okay with the quality of step data?

 

[mancino21]

Are you okay with the quality of step data?

In 95% of cases it matters well .......sometimes there are small holes in the surfaces (conversion errors) but easy to correct. Anyway in my opinion to take away all the doubts you should call for a demo.noi at the time we called visi and delcam with which we worked together a piece chosen from us and then decided who convinced us more...... if you have no problems looking tebis according to many on the internet is expensive but one of the best if not the best

 

[Andrea.78]

thanks for the precious advice.
meanwhile we saw a demo of esprit and autodesk powermill.

as total incompetent I had the impression that powermill was easier to use and also very quick; also has the advantage of throwing out an easy-to-understand postprocessor that allows you to make changes on board machine (but I did not understand if it also applies on the 5 axes this thing)
We have that it is not a license to buy but an annual subscription.

esprit has nice recognition of the features of our cad (solidedge), in addition to a promotional price at the same time to the purchase of the car very advantageous..... and not knowing the product aimè you struggle to justify the property of the most expensive choices of others. . .

I have to decide quickly.... next week they deliver the car and I'm afraid I don't have time to see a demo of tebis or visi.
What do you think of these 2 products? Are we doing a huge jump? Better take time?

 

[TECNOMODEL]

The rush is always a bad adviser. you will not have ordered it last week that machine, no?io use hsm, autodesk software integrated in inventor.
It is not bad, it has the great advantage of using native inventor files to calculate the cam, so to change the file just regenerate the path and reprocess it.
we use it on a 2 axes and 1/2, I can't judge you on a 5 axes.

 

[Andrea.78]

We thought we were planning by hand.... o_o_o.. jokes aside, we are used to pieces in large series and we always planned on board machine...o_oo_o. .
and so.... we neglected this aspect,
now we find ourselves having to decide quickly

 

[mancino21]

for the 5 axes, I think it's better to be sure... I'd look at tebis at least. if you do a fast search on the net you will see that they will come out the usual names for the 5 axes (delcam,tebis,visi and openmind ) the other cam I do not know you can not help you I do not know how it is

 

[tvi71it]

Good morning, everyone.
I add to the discussion as I also have the same problem as having to choose a new cam as my colleague wentrea.78.
the company in which work currently has n.2 auton stations, but for years it is no longer updated, and in substitution we have been proposed, as beta tester, to use for free the software that should replace it (esprit tng) to become the natural evolution. the truth is that it is also now still in beta for years and the operator who uses auton / esprit tng beta, does not see any step forward if not the machinacy and complications of this new system. we design with catia v5, sheet metal molds, resin demonstration models, prototypes, aeronautical equipment, calibers etc... all with n.2 "power" 3-axis cutters with rotary table generally for roughing, n.2 high-speed 5 axles cutters for finishing and resin processing and a 5-axis working center with shovel table. I have seen a few years ago the catwalk v5 that would perhaps be the most natural choice for an integration speech but it did not impress me because I found it very Moroccan. tebis I know him because we have a version we use for laser cutting; in many say it is the best, but also among the most expensive, although for the cam part of milling at the moment I did not have occasion to see it. I know some companies that use delcams or visi, where they are also used to design, magari in combination with solidworks, but in our case having a chain to design, I don't know, I don't see them fit. last year at the parme fair, a colleague saw topsolid and was very impressed. many automatic functions, ease of use etc... The idea would be to make a topsolid demo, but after this skewer (I ask for excuses for length) where I think I have given more or less an idea of what we do, I would like to have a somewhat clearer picture to understand how to move on the basis of other experiences. thanks therefore in advance for those who will want to intervene.

 

[mancino21]

Good morning, everyone.
I add to the discussion as I also have the same problem as having to choose a new cam as my colleague wentrea.78.
the company in which work currently has n.2 auton stations, but for years it is no longer updated, and in substitution we have been proposed, as beta tester, to use for free the software that should replace it (esprit tng) to become the natural evolution. the truth is that it is also now still in beta for years and the operator who uses auton / esprit tng beta, does not see any step forward if not the machinacy and complications of this new system. we design with catia v5, sheet metal molds, resin demonstration models, prototypes, aeronautical equipment, calibers etc... all with n.2 "power" 3-axis cutters with rotary table generally for roughing, n.2 high-speed 5 axles cutters for finishing and resin processing and a 5-axis working center with shovel table. I have seen a few years ago the catwalk v5 that would perhaps be the most natural choice for an integration speech but it did not impress me because I found it very Moroccan. tebis I know him because we have a version we use for laser cutting; in many say it is the best, but also among the most expensive, although for the cam part of milling at the moment I did not have occasion to see it. I know some companies that use delcams or visi, where they are also used to design, magari in combination with solidworks, but in our case having a chain to design, I don't know, I don't see them fit. last year at the parme fair, a colleague saw topsolid and was very impressed. many automatic functions, ease of use etc... The idea would be to make a topsolid demo, but after this skewer (I ask for excuses for length) where I think I have given more or less an idea of what we do, I would like to have a somewhat clearer picture to understand how to move on the basis of other experiences. thanks therefore in advance for those who will want to intervene.

hi, as already said I use powermill of delcam and I could also see visi .......for my experience I can tell you that at cam delcam level according to me it is much better than visi while at cad level it is the opposite.I was in you I would request a demo also of these two (in my opinion better than topsolid).delcam I can tell you that it already integrates the maths supplied by hitachi himself of all his great advantage and

 

[bulinorotto]

Hi.
in tebis or delcam the recovery of the files takes place through the step format or can I also import native delcad files?

Hi.
all versions of cad formats are imported into ex delcam software from this version ( thanks autodesk ;-) you can import what you want

 

[bulinorotto]

I don't think they can read native files......delcam has a paid form that allows you to read native caia files and I create for others I don't think. we as cad we have created and I give me the step (for me the best), iges or parasolid.tabis I can not answer

once, now it matters everything, I have powermill and powershape featurecams and I confirm it, it's no longer payable

 

[bulinorotto]

thanks for the precious advice.
meanwhile we saw a demo of esprit and autodesk powermill.

as total incompetent I had the impression that powermill was easier to use and also very quick; also has the advantage of throwing out an easy-to-understand postprocessor that allows you to make changes on board machine (but I did not understand if it also applies on the 5 axes this thing)
We have that it is not a license to buy but an annual subscription.

esprit has nice recognition of the features of our cad (solidedge), in addition to a promotional price at the same time to the purchase of the car very advantageous..... and not knowing the product aimè you struggle to justify the property of the most expensive choices of others. . .

I have to decide quickly.... next week they deliver the car and I'm afraid I don't have time to see a demo of tebis or visi.
What do you think of these 2 products? Are we doing a huge jump? Better take time?

in its time I had seen visi but it does not seem comparable to powermill, surely easier but lack a lot of functions and you have to use a cad to create paths

 

[bulinorotto]

hi, as already said I use powermill of delcam and I could also see visi .......for my experience I can tell you that at cam delcam level according to me it is much better than visi while at cad level it is the opposite.I was in you I would request a demo also of these two (in my opinion better than topsolid).delcam I can tell you that it already integrates the maths supplied by hitachi himself of all his great advantage and

powermill at the level of collision control is so much stuff! I used it once to make sheet stmpi, I had made it take because 20 years ago it already managed double thickness mathematicians directly in the cam without having to remodel anything (different submetals)

 

[bulinorotto]

Good morning, everyone.
I add to the discussion as I also have the same problem as having to choose a new cam as my colleague wentrea.78.
the company in which work currently has n.2 auton stations, but for years it is no longer updated, and in substitution we have been proposed, as beta tester, to use for free the software that should replace it (esprit tng) to become the natural evolution. the truth is that it is also now still in beta for years and the operator who uses auton / esprit tng beta, does not see any step forward if not the machinacy and complications of this new system. we design with catia v5, sheet metal molds, resin demonstration models, prototypes, aeronautical equipment, calibers etc... all with n.2 "power" 3-axis cutters with rotary table generally for roughing, n.2 high-speed 5 axles cutters for finishing and resin processing and a 5-axis working center with shovel table. I have seen a few years ago the catwalk v5 that would perhaps be the most natural choice for an integration speech but it did not impress me because I found it very Moroccan. tebis I know him because we have a version we use for laser cutting; in many say it is the best, but also among the most expensive, although for the cam part of milling at the moment I did not have occasion to see it. I know some companies that use delcams or visi, where they are also used to design, magari in combination with solidworks, but in our case having a chain to design, I don't know, I don't see them fit. last year at the parme fair, a colleague saw topsolid and was very impressed. many automatic functions, ease of use etc... The idea would be to make a topsolid demo, but after this skewer (I ask for excuses for length) where I think I have given more or less an idea of what we do, I would like to have a somewhat clearer picture to understand how to move on the basis of other experiences. thanks therefore in advance for those who will want to intervene.

I have been using powermill for over 20 years (from its birth) since autodesk imports all native files. I think it's a good cam 5 axes,

 

[Giorgio Tosonotti]

hi guys... I'm new on the site and so forgive me. I would like to ask you some advice: I am using featurecam and as you know it has a fagor language. all good for charity, but the problem that recently in my owner bought a 5 axes c.b. Ferrari e500 that the fagor manco for the counterfodera digests it. can you tell me if featurecam can be set to use it on this milling or what to do?

 

[TECNOMODEL]

all machines, under the look that the operator sees, run with programs written in iso.
you just need to create a dedicated post to write the program with the m and g functions set in the machine and with the favorite settings.
programs you create in featurecam on which machine you use them?

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

@tecnomodel, there is already this discussion https://www.cad3d.it/forum1/threads/featurecam-fagor-e-ferrari-e500.55948/ Perhaps it is the case of converging the answers on that.@giorgio, I linked you to the correct section and how to open a discussion and instead you agreed again to a non-innerent problem