choice of cad program

[Dichter86]

I'm sorry I'm new to the forum. I've only written today. I have a question about it.
I should take courses to improve my design skills with regard to design cad (excluding the 3dmax study program) which cad program is the best for design (not for interior) to achieve excellent 3d graphics? or easy-to-use programs to achieve 3d resolutions? inventor?solid? autocad? I don't know exactly which program to choose to improve my skills someone of expert would know how to tell me the best choice?
p.s for design I mean construction and partly also mechanical design (I care less).
thanks all in advance

 

[Tristan]

for architectural design I suggest you leave the cad and throw yourself on the bim (revit, archicad, allplan or vectorworks). for the entry-level mechanical cad go on the safe with an autocad course. it is not properly cad but I would also evaluate a course on rhinoceros. More "painted" mechanics? inventor or solidworks.

 

[Dichter86]

Thanks I thought no one would answer me among the programs listed which is the easiest to use? and with the greater potential?
Thank you.

 

[Tristan]

Thanks I thought no one would answer me among the programs listed which is the easiest to use? and with the greater potential?

I'm sorry, but none of those listed is easy to use, indeed...you need to spit blood to reach good levels. more potential to do what? with inventor do not design houses, as with revit you will not be able to assemble a desmodromic bicylinder. . .

 

[Dichter86]

I know that you have to spit blood then seeing these premises I should do courses one for the design of buildings (say revit) and mechanical design (inventor) but I do not know the companies currently what they ask that is the most common program used (excluding autocad) both for the design of buildings and for the mechanical design
Anyway thank you at least I made an overview about it.

 

[paolino]

Hi, I suggest you rhino: very scalable as learning, quite flexible, cost content, excellent documentation (help, tutorial etc), does not demand an exaggerated machine... Here, it is a modeler, not a mechanical cad, it does not have a tree, it is not parametric - at least without various plugins that you can add.
from the site you can download a demo

 

[Dichter86]

thanks a very useful advice. :smile:

 

[uluwatu_74]

I suggest you rhino, too.
I used both cad and bim (revit fortunately for very short time...but I understood the dramatic situation!) and work both for architecture and design and for mechanics.
among the programs I use or know...with rhino you can do what you want without having to pass on to learn 3 different software!!! ! ! !
If you want to make architecture... you do it very well.
If you want to make mechanics.. You don't do it well, but you can do it anyway.
If you want to make design... don't worry! ! !
to make...you can hook us what you want...including 3d studio.
for these three fields obviously there are much more indicated software...but instead of having to sweat 3 times... just listen once!! !
In addition...according to me... you have the advantage that in the meantime you begin to understand the difference of approach between a cad 2d and a 3d...without slaughtering you or investing too much money...but above all you do the bones to then eventually switch to a more specific software after you fully understand what are your main needs.
in the sense that however, although with different "keys"...the modeling methodology is usually quite similar among the various 3d software.
humble opinions of course.
Hi.

 

[Dichter86]

finally the simple and clear answer thank you so much you understood exactly my problem.. .
Whoever you are still thankful.

 

[roberto 2011]

. (revit fortunately for very short time...but I understood the dramatic situation!). ...

Azzz, I'm not alone then. I am not a fool isolated!!! :tongue:

 

[Tristan]

I used both cad and bim (revit fortunately for a very short time...but I understood the dramatic situation! )

obviously without knowing how to use revit is very problematic; is a software that requires at least a good 60-70% product knowledge, otherwise you will not go anywhere. Rhino, as a carcad, knowing it at 25% you can still pull something out even if with a little effort.

with rhino you can do what you want without having to go to learn 3 different software!!! ! ! !
If you want to make architecture... you do it very well.
If you want to make mechanics.. You don't do it well, but you can do it anyway.
If you want to make design... don't worry! ! !
to make...you can hook us what you want...including 3d studio.

goal on the whole line... it is obvious that I can hop the fields even with the only wedge, but if I have a tractor and an aratro maybe it is better... less fatigue and the result is better. Forgive me, but I seriously have great perplexities about what you claim. then we spend thousands of euros in inventor, alias, solidworks, creo, catia, revit, archicad, 3ds max, cinema4d etc. etc. etc. etc. we are all cracks! with the small amount of 1000 euros I bring home a software that solves all my problem. is it not that you say this because it is the only software you can use? I ask...

for these three fields obviously there are much more indicated software...but instead of having to sweat 3 times... just listen once!! !

I would say that instead of sweating 3 times you will always sweat! then...de gustobus:biggrin:

In addition...according to me... you have the advantage that in the meantime you begin to understand the difference of approach between a cad 2d and a 3d...without slaughtering you or investing too much money...but above all you do the bones to then eventually switch to a more specific software after you fully understand what are your main needs.
in the sense that however, although with different "keys"...the modeling methodology is usually quite similar among the various 3d software.

Well, that sounds very sensible.

 

[Tristan]

Azzz, I'm not alone then. I'm not an isolated fool! ! !

you are dinosaurs!!! :biggrin:

 

[roberto 2011]

the truth and that those who propose revit always say that problems come out because utonti (not users but utonti) do not know the program well. in practice they always give you somaro.

I, who I don't feel so lost if for over 30 years I have been a freelancer, I have used it for 2 years and in the end I had to retrace all my projects on autocad, where at least 2d you can do and..... print with closed eyes.

Revit does the project, not you: it is he who decides how to wrong on the joints or when he impunities not to give you the surfaces or when he forces you to climb the Everst to have a caxxxo of plan table to present to the municipality.... .

wishes to all those who use revit are also forced to make families... So many wives and many children...

 

[Tristan]

the truth and that those who propose revit always say that problems come out because utonti (not users but utonti) do not know the program well. in practice they always give you somaro.

This reminds me of something...or better, someone:smile:

I, who I don't feel so lost if for over 30 years I have been a freelancer, I have used it for 2 years and in the end I had to retrace all my projects on autocad, where at least 2d you can do and..... print with closed eyes.

no one says that you are a somaro, indeed... Surely you are the top of the range in your work, the problem is probably related to the mentality. I also come from a twenty-year experience on autocad and to understand revit I had to change approach completely.

Revit does the project, not you: it is he who decides how to wrong on the joints or when he impunities not to give you the surfaces or when he forces you to climb the Everst to have a caxxxo of plan table to present to the municipality.... .

Will you be pissed off because with revit you can't cheat? old fox!! :biggrin:

wishes to all those who use revit are also forced to make families... So many wives and many children. . .

Well, with autocad, you still have to get the blocks, isn't that the same? In any case the market is going in that direction and, apart, unfortunately those who do not adapt risk losing the competitive advantage given by the 30 years of free profession :wink:

 

[MarcoBi]

I don't know revit, so don't comment. I agree with the fact that it is an excellent software (cost/performance) and useful to those who want to learn how to build a 3d model. for me it's a little cat. If you know how to use the surfaces and know what a continuity in curvature and tangency then you do what you want. But you don't make us a decent table (perdonate me I stopped at 3.0). I wouldn't make buildings. Not so much mechanics. maybe product design, styling.. .
extra rhino to a good export module and allows you if you want to process your 3d with other sw.

 

[lance]

I agree with tristan...without entering the controversy of revit...now I realized that either you love it or you hate it:wink:...an account is modeling a building, what very feasible with rhino, an account is to produce the necessary tables to a possible customer and here the thing I see it hard.Also remember that when you fall into the reality of aut, even as freelance you are the one that you have to adapt to the car

 

[roberto 2011]

This reminds me of something...or better, someone

Got it! :finger:

No, I don't give up so easily, so I'm actually waiting for a decent program to come up.

only that, as I wrote to lance on another post, the other day I couldn't even print. I didn't even find the command to do a pdf. lance said: use pdf creator.

Do you understand? it is not enough to pay an annual sub that costs as much as a new program, it is also necessary to support very vulgar (it is so to say) free programs.

Crazy shit! :mixed:

I'm going back to work with my autocad.... :smile:

 

[lance]

not enough to pay an annual sub that costs as a new program

be with the new autodesk suites has become almost cheap:biggrin:

 

[paolino]

...an account is to model a building, which is very feasible with rhino, an account is to produce the necessary tables to a possible customer and here I see it hard....

Yes, this is true, the portion of the table is practically absent in rhino

 

[Tristan]

...an account is to model a building, which is very feasible with rhino

I would put it down different...an account is "model" (with rhino, with autocad or with 3ds) and an account is "design"! I remember her well the blasphemies I pulled when there was also just to move a window into the 3d model of rhino...and still it is! to this nobody thinks about it? rhino, as autocad, is able to extract 2d views from the model but by changing this the 2d view generated is not updated! and in an architectural project we do not talk about 4 designs on the cross but of at least a couple of plants, 4 brochures and a section, without talking about 3d views! in revit all this is managed by the software. if for you are trivial.. .