choice of work centres

[CPCARLO]

Hello everyone,
my company is evaluating the purchase of a 3-axis working center in replacement of the old, we work for the greater building materials (c45, reclaimed and similar) and from tempra k100 k110). drawing details for moulds and machines in general (often single pieces).
We have received offers from these brands:
dmg mori ecomill1100v
lk machinery mod mv1050
quaser mv 154 and/12 fanuc 0i-m c
avea af1000

We use a cam programming (mastercam) and often in high speed control is not good.
I was wondering if someone uses these machine brands and can give me some info.
Thank you.

 

[SHIREN]

Hello everyone,
my company is evaluating the purchase of a 3-axis working center in replacement of the old, we work for the greater building materials (c45, reclaimed and similar) and from tempra k100 k110). drawing details for moulds and machines in general (often single pieces).
We have received offers from these brands:
dmg mori ecomill1100v
lk machinery mod mv1050
quaser mv 154 and/12 fanuc 0i-m c
avea af1000

We use a cam programming (mastercam) and often in high speed control is not good.
I was wondering if someone uses these machine brands and can give me some info.
Thank you.

Hi.
from the known profile you are veneto
why not buy at km or
Take a look
Perhaps it is an excellence that envys us the world cnchttp://www.breton.it/machinetool/it#ad-image-0Thank you very much

 

[rinato]

Hello cpcarlo: I would say first we should understand what is wrong with current control. Is it mastercam that gives him "mal partitions"? the cn is baked / the machine is worn and go to be blessed the chases / the interpolations? What language do you have now?

from various chats with different fanuc sellers should still be ahead on heidenain in high speed. However it is definitely like looking for the needle in the haystack, especially because the case too varied. and then they are sellers.
but lk machinery and awea: Never heard. Maybe you can find something more "consolidated."

 

[SHIREN]

Hello cpcarlo: I'd say we should understand first.

from various chats with different fanuc sellers should still be ahead on heidenain in high speed.
".

Hello again
I know all good controls
the prob is adapting them to the specific needs
fanuc heidenain siemens
and also our faith
Thank you very much

 

[Marve76]

possible control fanuc...

with serious mechanics, without having to bleed for forces.

around you will find several offers. . .

But... allow me a note

who buys or has been authorized to do so, should know by thread and by sign the dynamics of his company, of course he should know himself what to look for, without having to ask.
leaving aside the fact that we assume that you know what races you need... and especially the attacks iso of the pliers...
Make sure you don't already have an iso in your house. (I don't know if you already had other cnc centers)

Good luck.
(p.s: to make designers happy, make sure that control on board machine read dwg files)

otherwise you risk failure.

 

[SHIREN]

Good luck.
(p.s: to make designers happy, make sure that control on board machine read dwg files)

otherwise you risk failure.

[MENTION=69238]Marve76[/MENTION]Hi.
I'm having a hard time understanding
Because if I don't
or I don't read a dwg file on the machine
I fail?
Thank you very much

 

[CPCARLO]

thanks for the info, the control I currently use is a fanuc om dated 1998 and I think I can't ask any further. But I would be interested to understand whether it is possible to work in serial dnc or with other high-speed doors and what features must have control to work with these systems. the fanuc as programming I know him quite well unlike others.

 

[Marve76]

We'd miss it!

It was a "sarching" joke. . .

certainly does not fail for that little thing....
rather it could be left only by some technical designer who in their illustrious mind and from the top of the heavens, would not conceive that little thing... (they don't pay for them) ...that is, lack of technology.

Cit. (I can bring you a discussion here above where a technician clearly says that the non-advanced workshops will be destined to close)

apart from that... the choice of your cnc changes if you are a tertiary account...or manufacturer.
in the first hypothesis, it becomes mandatory that the machines that buy are technologically advanced.

I wish you to make the best choice for her but especially for her company.

 

[stevie]

Hello everyone,
my company is evaluating the purchase of a 3-axis working center in replacement of the old, we work for the greater building materials (c45, reclaimed and similar) and from tempra k100 k110). drawing details for moulds and machines in general (often single pieces).
We have received offers from these brands:
dmg mori ecomill1100v
lk machinery mod mv1050
quaser mv 154 and/12 fanuc 0i-m c
avea af1000

We use a cam programming (mastercam) and often in high speed control is not good.
I was wondering if someone uses these machine brands and can give me some info.
Thank you.

of what you indicated the best is the quaser, which is probably the best Taiwanese manufacturer of work centers.
leaves the ecomill series (son light machines made in cina by the crucchi and then shot like German machines).
the beautiful Seiki dies are the nvx series but they cost a lot, strictly made in japan.
as a control if you have to do high speed I recommend the fanuc 32 series, let it lose siemens and heidenhain, they are only German pigwork that is good for the crucks.. .
Did you try to get the dnm hs series of doosan?
ah also forgets haas (the same ecomill speech). . .

Unfortunately of Italian in the field small vmc there remained little nothing. breton makes portal machines with long runs not vmc centers.

 

[SHIREN]

Hello
even if a discussion about cnc or vmc had long been unreading
It's incredibly wild for those who know more
Who cares about it
in the various posts you notice extreme comments on certain performance
controls
of the brands of machines
from countries where they are produced

known
that certain claims on certain companies are machine or machine control
should be motivated
listing predictions and defects
not to hear
but for personal experiences acquired
would be correct to those overlooking the forum
to acquire info
would be correct to companies producing cnc
would be correct verses the manufacturers of sw
Thank you very much

 

[stevie]

Hello
even if a discussion about cnc or vmc had long been unreading
It's incredibly wild for those who know more
Who cares about it
in the various posts you notice extreme comments on certain performance
controls
of the brands of machines
from countries where they are produced

known
that certain claims on certain companies are machine or machine control
should be motivated
listing predictions and defects
not to hear
but for personal experiences acquired
would be correct to those overlooking the forum
to acquire info
would be correct to companies producing cnc
would be correct verses the manufacturers of sw
Thank you very much

hi shiren, I'm sure you didn't address me, however I would like to point out that I have exactly expressed an opinion, although personal, motivated by objective knowledge of the sector.
I also want to point out that I have no "work" or interest ratio with the marks mentioned above.
coming to the cnc speech, globally 70% of cncs are fanuc. The standard programming iso introduced fanuc in the 1970s.
fanuc guarantees assistance on old controls of 20 years. What doesn't happen with other builders. This will mean something, right?
in the past in a company where I worked we had disastrous experiences with siemens simodrive 611 drives, but what even more serious we were abandoned by siemens assistance. I don't think I say anything scandalous.

I would have liked to recommend a valid Italian product, but unfortunately they did not remain!

said this I can only advise the potential customer to directly test the capabilities of machines with processing tests on sample pieces.

 

[SHIREN]

hi shiren, I'm sure you didn't address me,

.

[MENTION=760]stevie[/MENTION]We'd miss it!
no stevie I know your professionalism
even if I did not address anyone in particular
But if you read all posts carefully
Let's give a feeling of who says it bigger
today cnc or vmc are bought from small industrial realities by sacrifice
I saw at the sme of parme families with father mother children and grandchildren
search for information for buying a business center
therefore is a delicate subject and should not be treated with superficiality
then everyone has his experiences that he makes available in the forum

hi shiren,
I would have liked to recommend a valid Italian product, but unfortunately they did not remain!
.

is not a valid product?? ? ? ?

when it concerns the construction and marketing of cnc italy

it is not true that you do not build machines in Italy
those I know left have been equipped
and build machines on "measure"
it is useless to say that it serves not to be competing with the builders of the Far East
I can add that Asians
despite everything continues to import German Italian technology
that then at the end is the one that serves to operate a cnc
Thank you very much

 

[CPCARLO]

thank you guys for the interest, I don't want to create useless frictions my is just a tip since most cnc machines come from taiwan with an infinity of brands. reliability and assistance are features that I look for nothing more.

hi shiren, I'm sure you didn't address me, however I would like to point out that I have exactly expressed an opinion, although personal, motivated by objective knowledge of the sector.
I also want to point out that I have no "work" or interest ratio with the marks mentioned above.
coming to the cnc speech, globally 70% of cncs are fanuc. The standard programming iso introduced fanuc in the 1970s.
fanuc guarantees assistance on old controls of 20 years. What doesn't happen with other builders. This will mean something, right?
in the past in a company where I worked we had disastrous experiences with siemens simodrive 611 drives, but what even more serious we were abandoned by siemens assistance. I don't think I say anything scandalous.

I would have liked to recommend a valid Italian product, but unfortunately they did not remain!

said this I can only advise the potential customer to directly test the capabilities of machines with processing tests on sample pieces.

 

[SHIREN]

thank you guys for the interest,
I would not want to create unnecessary friction
.

[MENTION=43374]cpcarlo[/MENTION]Hi.
in any discussion on this forum there are never unnecessary friction
but only diversity of views
that make cad3d.it
the main community of Italian prog
Thank you very much

 

[Marve76]

exactly. . .

most cnc is manufactured in taiwan...

I said most... but not all...
Most of the time cnc products over the ocean are peeled and relived according to the demanding Europeans or the buyer himself.

I talk about the electrical part and software...

of prices and optional there are an infinity. . .
today it doesn't need excess,
you need what you need...

there will be companies that need speed,
and there are companies that need elasticity. . .

depends on what we need cnc .
Obviously this affects the final price of the machine.

said this a cnc to pay you needs to be constantly fed by work.

so it is easy to understand that today, we cannot continue to point on the magic phrase:

"with this machine you will make 239474565 million pieces per second, with the latest aerospace technology"

depends on everything from the goods industry, the use and the company structure.

Today for the small and medium reality I think more than need less expensive machines, even less performing, but more elastic. ..precisely, with the right technology, without unnecessary excesses.
faster in the car.. .
and why not, even less laborious on the training side.

and a fair final price.