tmp_fra
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I forgot. . .obviously create "assieme" designs to show how to assemble the various pieces of course!
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The_Matrix
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dear,Get me back!
finally in the new company and with the possibility to give more information in order to help me with the choice.
then the question is as follows:
we are at zero of everything! Total zero!
everything is done based on experience and estimates..part from sketches made in years past....
putting aside for a moment the speech of the absence of design... and resigning momentarily to simply want to bring back everything that is prodoxed in a digital format. ...
mainly the product is about fans, and you do everything yourself.. .
from sheet metal cutting to embutitura, rather than molding, to next drilling, various bendings, welding, paints etc etc.
the need is to have dxf files to be able to send to the oxytaglio machine...you have your own program but I was wondering if there was a possibility to use only one program to draw and then eventually transfer these files to what manages the oxytaglio, so you don't have to remake the drawings a thousand times!
I create the flanks of the "chicciola" and on these two sides I echo the band that unites them. .it would be nice to get these bands for "derivation" from the shapes of the two sides and then to get the development to send to the oxytaglio machine.
are there programs that do this?
I need something to handle sheeting for the most part, the more you ok weld bolts etc....
the future perspective is to use the same program to be able to also develop new products and therefore possible structural analysis rather than fluid dynamics.. but this is a point of arrival... so. .possibly for that you will take another product when you can...now the urgency is to codify the products to digitalize them start the management of db etc etc...
I know it will sound surreal as a situation.... but you have to wake up because there is really so much work and they can no longer keep up....
suggestions?
I welcome also suggestions regarding the management of the whole, they are always welcome.
thanking you as always for the collaboration
soon
between
I can tell you that a cad is worth the other.. .
the difference between a mid and a high end is essentially price (although the difference is not so high... indeed) and expandability.
you need bread as a good plm system, integrated with cad, and consultants who know how to drive, while you do the system setup, to change the "work system" and your practices.
to talk about "my" products you need:
- teamcenter
- great competence in implementation and "change management"
- nx (or solid edge... I prefer nx)
- display
... think about it... do not think that the cad will solve your problem (or not just the cad)
Hi.
Matteo
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have you considered a soft approach both at cost level and for the very short time necessary to become operational of a spaceclaim cad? in the section dedicated to sc (2010 in particular) on this forum find some videos. if you are interested in other information or a free trial of 1 month are available through signature references.
for technical curiosity instead better here also to contribute to the forum.
for technical curiosity instead better here also to contribute to the forum.
cacciatorino
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With regard to sheet metal development, all the more widespread cads do. If you're talking about funnel, maybe you should do specific tests on the various software.I create the flanks of the "chicciola" and on these two sides I echo the band that unites them. .it would be nice to get these bands for "derivation" from the shapes of the two sides and then to get the development to send to the oxytaglio machine.
are there programs that do this?
How many designers are there? if they are few I don't think of giving all these advantages, while the disadvantages are safe as rigidity, difficulty in managing the sql, needs staff specialized for start-up and assistance, etc. etc.
tmp_fra
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@ the_matrix
(in short because I don't have much time) forgive me but plm stands for? ...
That's the problem! must be created and set! if you have good advice they are well accepted. from my experience as a mechanical designer for a total of 6 years, I went from a small company where things were done as good as in this, to a large company where the real mechanical design did not know what it was but they had excellent management of orders and production and also drawings (as far as they were not strictly mechanical).
Now I was challenged to reorganize a small company, even as a designer/designer. we all know that I certainly do not have the skills of a manager, so all the good advice you can give me is very welcome!
for now we are trying to define a production flow in order not to overly modify the work of the factory, but at the same time I would like to set up the encoding systems of the individual components, coding of the finished products with relative db, and if possible try to develop all the project of the piece from the drawings of the sheets to the drawings of the successive works to the assemblies and assembly, within what will be the design office, so that the workers less This is what the owner would like.
I do not claim to implant a cad tomorrow, even if it is what he would like, but I try to begin to inform me about what could be the most feasible solution while trying to understand as much as possible production.
what do you mean by visualization?
and for teamcenter? . I'm going to spend my time asking you these things, but as you understand, I don't have the right skills, but I want to learn otherwise I wouldn't be here to write!
imagine you have in front of a simple autocad user who finds himself with this challenge!explain with the simplest words possible. Thank you!
@ Hunter: designers? Just me. but hopefully in the future to create a group, also because of work there is really a lot, fortunately!
@matteo: Thank you so much for the advice, as soon as I can look forward to the cad that you recommended me and let you know if I have any doubts about it or not.
trusting in your patience and not sending me to that country, I await your answers.
(in short because I don't have much time) forgive me but plm stands for? ...
That's the problem! must be created and set! if you have good advice they are well accepted. from my experience as a mechanical designer for a total of 6 years, I went from a small company where things were done as good as in this, to a large company where the real mechanical design did not know what it was but they had excellent management of orders and production and also drawings (as far as they were not strictly mechanical).
Now I was challenged to reorganize a small company, even as a designer/designer. we all know that I certainly do not have the skills of a manager, so all the good advice you can give me is very welcome!
for now we are trying to define a production flow in order not to overly modify the work of the factory, but at the same time I would like to set up the encoding systems of the individual components, coding of the finished products with relative db, and if possible try to develop all the project of the piece from the drawings of the sheets to the drawings of the successive works to the assemblies and assembly, within what will be the design office, so that the workers less This is what the owner would like.
I do not claim to implant a cad tomorrow, even if it is what he would like, but I try to begin to inform me about what could be the most feasible solution while trying to understand as much as possible production.
what do you mean by visualization?
and for teamcenter? . I'm going to spend my time asking you these things, but as you understand, I don't have the right skills, but I want to learn otherwise I wouldn't be here to write!
imagine you have in front of a simple autocad user who finds himself with this challenge!explain with the simplest words possible. Thank you!
@ Hunter: designers? Just me. but hopefully in the future to create a group, also because of work there is really a lot, fortunately!
@matteo: Thank you so much for the advice, as soon as I can look forward to the cad that you recommended me and let you know if I have any doubts about it or not.
trusting in your patience and not sending me to that country, I await your answers.
tmp_fra
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@ matteo: I finally had a moment to look at the program you told me about, the links you refer to do not know for what reason but to me do not work.
Anyway, I looked around the internet on information and videos....if you wanted to deepen the topic and better understand the potential of this program I can re-enter you? (I'm going to give you some... I hope it's not too daring)
soon
between
Anyway, I looked around the internet on information and videos....if you wanted to deepen the topic and better understand the potential of this program I can re-enter you? (I'm going to give you some... I hope it's not too daring)
soon
between
tmp_fra
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@ the_matrix
ok I wandered a little more on the site...and I figured out that you're wondering if I planned a file management program produced by the right cad?
If so... I thought about this... but as I come from a bad experience. . .
we had a design file storage and management program that until you worked in cad or other documents like pdf,doc etc. had no problems, but created big problems in managing files generated by inventor.
he was unable to manage the links of inventor axes or manage i-part files for example... so I convinced myself that the choice of a storage and management file should be functional to the cad program I choose.... and not vice versa. Wrong deduction?
I of my know that vault (autodesk product) is completely compatible with inventor (being of the same mother house) but I didn't have a chance to verify its operation....but I had been left out of the presentation I had seen.
hoping to understand what you were talking about, I always remain available for insights.
ok I wandered a little more on the site...and I figured out that you're wondering if I planned a file management program produced by the right cad?
If so... I thought about this... but as I come from a bad experience. . .
we had a design file storage and management program that until you worked in cad or other documents like pdf,doc etc. had no problems, but created big problems in managing files generated by inventor.
he was unable to manage the links of inventor axes or manage i-part files for example... so I convinced myself that the choice of a storage and management file should be functional to the cad program I choose.... and not vice versa. Wrong deduction?
I of my know that vault (autodesk product) is completely compatible with inventor (being of the same mother house) but I didn't have a chance to verify its operation....but I had been left out of the presentation I had seen.
hoping to understand what you were talking about, I always remain available for insights.
tmp_fra
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I educated myself and deepened the topic on this link http://www.cad3d.it/forum1/showthread.php?t=7928 There's an exhaustive presentation I'd say. Now I start chewing more what you're talking about!... I called them in other words... I didn't know the technical terms. I've been updated now! ready to continue the "discussion".dear,
I can tell you that a cad is worth the other.. .
the difference between a mid and a high end is essentially price (although the difference is not so high... indeed) and expandability.
you need bread as a good plm system, integrated with cad, and consultants who know how to drive, while you do the system setup, to change the "work system" and your practices.
to talk about "my" products you need:
- teamcenter
- great competence in implementation and "change management"
- nx (or solid edge... I prefer nx)
- display
... think about it... do not think that the cad will solve your problem (or not just the cad)
Hi.
re_solidworks
Guest
the matrix is right, a good pdm/plm stands at the base of a good technical office, if the office is small you have to implement the tool so that it remains flexible for users.
I took the pdm along with the first cad license and I absolutely disagree with who says it is not flexible. This tool is the basis of my competitiveness compared to those who do not have it. My employees after 6 months of use tell me "but how can you work without it? "
In my opinion, they are all sacred scruples, but if you take the right instrument, it is a super help to your work.
among the various I recommend you watch solidworks + ready2works, a demo does not cost anything and in this phase the more you see it in action and the better it is.
hi and good choice.
I took the pdm along with the first cad license and I absolutely disagree with who says it is not flexible. This tool is the basis of my competitiveness compared to those who do not have it. My employees after 6 months of use tell me "but how can you work without it? "
In my opinion, they are all sacred scruples, but if you take the right instrument, it is a super help to your work.
among the various I recommend you watch solidworks + ready2works, a demo does not cost anything and in this phase the more you see it in action and the better it is.
hi and good choice.
tmp_fra
Guest
here's the thing that I'd like to do is get to do a maximum of a month by turning some pairs of design and management programs so as to evaluate the best solution. next week I start with autodesk, but in the meantime I look for more.the matrix is right, a good pdm/plm stands at the base of a good technical office, if the office is small you have to implement the tool so that it remains flexible for users.
I took the pdm along with the first cad license and I absolutely disagree with who says it is not flexible. This tool is the basis of my competitiveness compared to those who do not have it. My employees after 6 months of use tell me "but how can you work without it? "
In my opinion, they are all sacred scruples, but if you take the right instrument, it is a super help to your work.
among the various I recommend you watch solidworks + ready2works, a demo does not cost anything and in this phase the more you see it in action and the better it is.
hi and good choice.
Okay then I'll try to inform me about that too!
Thank you so much!
re_solidworks
Guest
We'd miss it. I feel good and I can only recommend it.here's the thing that I'd like to do is get to do a maximum of a month by turning some pairs of design and management programs so as to evaluate the best solution. next week I start with autodesk, but in the meantime I look for more.
Okay then I'll try to inform me about that too!
Thank you so much!
Matteo
Guest
Of course you can turn to me: I've been a sc dealer and I still work for the pre-sale. If you have problems with the links in your signature, send me a mp via forum.@ matteo: I finally had a moment to look at the program you told me about, the links you refer to do not know for what reason but to me do not work.
Anyway, I looked around the internet on information and videos....if you wanted to deepen the topic and better understand the potential of this program I can re-enter you? (I'm going to give you some... I hope it's not too daring)
soon
between
The_Matrix
Guest
@temp_fra.In addition to a good plm system (cad + pdm + information distribution tools) you get a serious partner who also helps you create your company culture.the matrix is right, a good pdm/plm stands at the base of a good technical office, if the office is small you have to implement the tool so that it remains flexible for users.
I took the pdm along with the first cad license and I absolutely disagree with who says it is not flexible. This tool is the basis of my competitiveness compared to those who do not have it. My employees after 6 months of use tell me "but how can you work without it? "
In my opinion, they are all sacred scruples, but if you take the right instrument, it is a super help to your work.
among the various I recommend you watch solidworks + ready2works, a demo does not cost anything and in this phase the more you see it in action and the better it is.
hi and good choice.
if for example your system will have to dialogue closely with production, or, better yet, will have to manage production (users, times, cycles, etc.) having people who know how to do it will be fundamental.
plm is not data management cad.
only to bring you an example of our suite (but I think you can borrow it on others too):
1) the cad (nx) produces data. 3d... 2d... 3d... Structural analysis
2) the pdm (teamcenter) manages them integrated with the cad:
... collect your requirements
... passes them to the cad
... maintains correlations between projects
... creates distributed formats (pdf, jt)
... manages the product configuration (options, variants)
... allows your suppliers to connect to your db and work online with you
... gives you the assurance that the cae is made on the right versions of the components
... archives the results of the cae and shows you without having the authoring tool
3) cam (nx) performs machining on cad models
... manually or automatically, using features and pmi
4) pdm per mfg (teamcenter manufacturing) manages your production
... helping you choose tools
... helping you create cycles, maybe in 3d
... managing models/cycles/tools/tools
this is plm (although not extended to all its possibilities... but we give time to time).
The cad is a dowel.
To put it in operation, as I told you, you need someone who knows how to do it and has already done it... that also helps you in the corporate "change management"... otherwise you really risk putting yourself in the house a disproportionate solution and not suitable for your flows that maybe remained the usual ones.
@re_solidworks.I think you are one of the few who has understood the value of plm.
SER.CAD
Guest
quoto in full!!! nx is really another planet for a few thousand euro plus the game is worth the candle! ! !@temp_fra.In addition to a good plm system (cad + pdm + information distribution tools) you get a serious partner who also helps you create your company culture.
if for example your system will have to dialogue closely with production, or, better yet, will have to manage production (users, times, cycles, etc.) having people who know how to do it will be fundamental.
plm is not data management cad.
only to bring you an example of our suite (but I think you can borrow it on others too):
1) the cad (nx) produces data. 3d... 2d... 3d... Structural analysis
2) the pdm (teamcenter) manages them integrated with the cad:
... collect your requirements
... passes them to the cad
... maintains correlations between projects
... creates distributed formats (pdf, jt)
... manages the product configuration (options, variants)
... allows your suppliers to connect to your db and work online with you
... gives you the assurance that the cae is made on the right versions of the components
... archives the results of the cae and shows you without having the authoring tool
3) cam (nx) performs machining on cad models
... manually or automatically, using features and pmi
4) pdm per mfg (teamcenter manufacturing) manages your production
... helping you choose tools
... helping you create cycles, maybe in 3d
... managing models/cycles/tools/tools
this is plm (although not extended to all its possibilities... but we give time to time).
The cad is a dowel.
To put it in operation, as I told you, you need someone who knows how to do it and has already done it... that also helps you in the corporate "change management"... otherwise you really risk putting yourself in the house a disproportionate solution and not suitable for your flows that maybe remained the usual ones.
@re_solidworks.I think you are one of the few who has understood the value of plm.
for the turbine industry, well a man turbo slave name (ex de pretto-eichelwass) has been using nx for years with satisfaction and success!
I would strongly invert you to discover the world nx there is no more flexible and powerful tool on the market!
tmp_fra
Guest
Are you talking about this nx?
http://www.plm.automation.siemens.com/it_it/products/nx/mechatronics_concept_designer/index.shtml è di siemens?
http://www.plm.automation.siemens.com/it_it/products/nx/mechatronics_concept_designer/index.shtml è di siemens?
The_Matrix
Guest
Yes.Are you talking about this nx?
http://www.plm.automation.siemens.com/it_it/products/nx/mechatronics_concept_designer/index.shtml è di siemens?
I don't want to be a pedant, but remember the workflow:
change management
stef_design
Guest
Seeee. What they paid you:subjective opinion.1-for me the fiat cars are years back than the "Germans" = is a subjective opinion.quoto in full!!! nx is really another planet for a few thousand euro plus the game is worth the candle! ! !
for the turbine industry, well a man turbo slave name (ex de pretto-eichelwass) has been using nx for years with satisfaction and success!
I would strongly invert you to discover the world nx there is no more flexible and powerful tool on the market!
2-"for a few 1000 euros more' the game is worth the candle" maybe...seee, maybe for an extra golf the game is worth the candle:biggrin::biggrin:
cacciatorino
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As I am a moderator here, I remember that we are talking about a company with 1 designer.
talk about change-management / cad manager / whirlwind / etc seems to me confiscate a small risk of going out target. Moreover if those who opened the post were to present themselves from his head with two estimates of which one from 50,000 euros + 10,000/year maintenance and one from 5000+1500 I do not think there would have left.
I understand that those who are used to big realities see how imprescincidible a system with vault/serversql/it-manager, but here we are talking about a situation little more than craftsmanship.
talk about change-management / cad manager / whirlwind / etc seems to me confiscate a small risk of going out target. Moreover if those who opened the post were to present themselves from his head with two estimates of which one from 50,000 euros + 10,000/year maintenance and one from 5000+1500 I do not think there would have left.
I understand that those who are used to big realities see how imprescincidible a system with vault/serversql/it-manager, but here we are talking about a situation little more than craftsmanship.
The_Matrix
Guest
Excuse me if I disagree. . .As I am a moderator here, I remember that we are talking about a company with 1 designer.
talk about change-management / cad manager / whirlwind / etc seems to me confiscate a small risk of going out target. Moreover if those who opened the post were to present themselves from his head with two estimates of which one from 50,000 euros + 10,000/year maintenance and one from 5000+1500 I do not think there would have left.
I understand that those who are used to big realities see how imprescincidible a system with vault/serversql/it-manager, but here we are talking about a situation little more than craftsmanship.
the premise was:now to get back into play, and return competitive on the market, decided to "modernize" and create an effective technical office in parallel to one of quality and with time to develop a development research office.
in my short experience I know that in a technical office the basic needs for the design aimed at production are:
-formats of files compatible with vendors programs;
- possibility to carry out also "rapid" fem analysis; (in a future it will also be thought of a fluiddynamic analysis program)
-rapidity in modifying and managing revisions;
- signalling by the program of impossibility to carry out work or couplings;
- possibility to manage even not simple surfaces such as turbine blades;
- possibility of creating parts between them functional (to create an addiction7adactivity between the parties)
- ability to manage in a genaral set of subaxiencies dependent on each other;
- Possibility to create program codes through which by inserting the basic data of the project executes (following assigned rules) the choice of variable parts and generates a distinct base (list of components) to be sent to production;
- Possibility by means of a replace to quickly create the table of identical components of form but with different sizes;
-creation of good quality and quite similar;so with prospects of development of a certain type...
tmp_fra talked about turbines. . .
tmp_fra spoke of "reorganization" the company from software to processes.. .
we know that, I don't know if a dealer with 1 or 2 technicians can say the same.
If it's about and it's about 1 user, then it's all wrong.
The_Matrix
Guest
viewpoints.. ."for a few thousand euros more the game is worth the candle" maybe...see, maybe for a golf more the game is worth the candle
I wouldn't spend more than just an astra or a julietta for example. . .