stinit
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...with this 2d milling thing you have intrigued me,, is it not that by chance you show me a file...just to understand where/when you find it slender... what control do you have on the car? . . .
cimaguy
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...and' true: the cam 2d still remained that of the old "cimatron it"; therefore devoid of all those functions for high speed and beautiful company.
I therefore agree with what dylan also says because ... "they" are
always boast that the cam is the flagship of the whole package.
as I told you, I was at the fair in parma and, leaving the microsystem stand,
I did this thought:" but where the hell they lose time to put in place the "command" with all the robes that there would be to do."
I've seen interesting things, but my greatest fear knows what the service pack is. Eight service packs in version nine. Do you remember, for example, that rogna had the algorithm of roughing? jumped away levels etc. and only in the last updates managed to fix it.
Meanwhile, I've seen almost a year with this problem, and now it's almost okay and it's 10, should I start over with something else?
We hope not.
...sorry for the rash.
Hi.
I therefore agree with what dylan also says because ... "they" are
always boast that the cam is the flagship of the whole package.
as I told you, I was at the fair in parma and, leaving the microsystem stand,
I did this thought:" but where the hell they lose time to put in place the "command" with all the robes that there would be to do."
I've seen interesting things, but my greatest fear knows what the service pack is. Eight service packs in version nine. Do you remember, for example, that rogna had the algorithm of roughing? jumped away levels etc. and only in the last updates managed to fix it.
Meanwhile, I've seen almost a year with this problem, and now it's almost okay and it's 10, should I start over with something else?
We hope not.
...sorry for the rash.
Hi.
ilmuffo
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Yes, cad side has limits without doubt, but, at least for my little experience, I find no particular problems managing surfaces/solids and edges. basically there are few things to do on the cad side if you just have to fresare. I talk about x5 anyway.I know it...it's a great cam...the only mole of that cam is that even in the x4 is anchored to a cad that knows about "ancient" and with which you must have to deal to manage surfaces,bords etc...even if you only walk...
regarding the calculation of the paths in the background summit 10 will be provided...the point is that to take seriously advantage of the possible calculation you will have to equip yourself with a w7 64bit... minimum mother card quadcore....and 8 g ram...
the calculation in the background is really optimal: counts that makes me work smoothly on a repentum of 830 with 2gb of ram....
stinit
Guest
time ago I made a list of things to do/improve that they are really useful (and that they are in concorency software)...I was told that if my requests were also made by other users probably the microsystem would consider the required modification. . .
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we will see... but I am skeptical... there are many users who complain because they lack functions... because absurd I was told that there are many others who see too many of them and who would prefer a simpler and "automatic" program. . .
stinit
Guest
It is clear that it depends on the type/completeness of the works you do... from the pc... from the operating site... from the software... I happen to keep open on average 4-5 sessions...1 assembly,2 cam,1 modeling,1 table... let's talk about discreetly heavy maths. . .
However the 10 from the cam point of view should have made some steps forward...we will see. . .
ilmuffo
Guest
Clearly, in your case it takes a well-carved workstation. :tongue:
stinit
Guest
It seems that now this "superbox" has been invented. . .
http://www.cimatron.com/italy/pressreleases.aspx?folderid=2499&docid=21773〈=it
Dylan
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The cn comes after, and he's not guilty. the situation occurs on the 3d curves imported from systems type catia, with a frequency we say not negligible. with our cam 2d vetusto I often have to do profiles "in elevation". In short, the "finish-profilament" strategy that is actually a 3d simil. the x and y are guided by the curve (exactly as on the cam 2d) , while the z is driven by surfaces that I create constantly to contornire a profile that goes up and down in short (and here it would be good a strategy able to profile a contour and to make even move the tool in the z simply by using the elevation of the contour 3d... it would be too useful for those who work the presses for sheet metal for example and start. smooth, approximate, always project hoping that the curve will not alter (for this I make a thousand copies... ) ... then, with my now legendary sign of the cross, disabled collision control (and then down of simulator. ... but I say... in 2011 what does it take for practical purposes to have those commands, like the cutting of loops like "global,local, suspicious"????? ? who cares that the cam collides the profile if you disable control? You will tell me that the comado can hide..si true but only to the thought that if I keep it hidden and percaso it "changes" itself by deactivating you know the disasters?? then I can understand that the curves can be problematic. if the cam realizes that the curve sucks (and in fact maybe it doesn't generate you the p.u.) should say the reason (curva da levigare, curve da throw curve da eccc) or better do it him! !
But what can be expected from a cam 2d with the steady development from almost 3 lustri?? when cadcam still spoke little about it compared to today?? It's just my considerations, but as I see you also think, it's quite evident that the designers' abilities are, far less brilliant and far-sighted, I think the directors of development, those who decide what to do when...
dylan
stinit
Guest
I read carefully...and how do you tell me it seems that the difficulties you encounter are due to the profiles that amounts from catia... you tried (together with those who give you these profiles) to change the parameters of export (on catia) and import (on toptron)?
I believe that the problem is that...even because if you tell me that not even reconstructing a composted curve--->spline--> unpolished makes you the same problem (according to me) means that in importing the profiles you generate the loot entities that send the cam to the ball when you have to work them. .
These are things that can happen. . .
stinit
Guest
I was on the day of release of the v10...that say...this time they engaged:finger:
Dylan
Guest
...and yes... even (in the cam) is now available the calculation in becgraund!! ! ! !
more or less 10 maybe 15 years after wnc, 3-5 after real.. .
...let's say that "follow" competition... .
..just say they presented the 10 more than 6 months ago and only now they deliver it. development, besides being with "old" ideas, is also years back. . .
Dylan
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I'm obviously referring to the cam because I know the other "sectors" well.
...the "other" cams have that famous resumption function that works like this:
-analyzes the residual crude given by previous processing.
-analyzes the previous reference tool
-creates a clean and tidy path in the areas/angles where the previous one cannot enter.
result? no pass around the piece to waste time and remove half (when it goes well..often only a few tenths..) overmetal of the terraces of the previous milling. . .
seen doing as a real, nc...
stinit
Guest
I use toptron from it10... and at the same time I have been able to assess the development of competition...it is I feel to synthesize so:
1)cimatron is a software that with the packages it proposes is manifestly thought for the realities that make manufacturing and as such must be compared to a competitor of equal use/cost.. .
2) If you compare individual modules (cam-cad etc) with other software houses that only create the module cad or only the module cam etc. it is clear that the second case can offer more possibilities/functions ... but it is equally true that an operator to get the most out of the individual modules should be able to use the maximum single module cad + single module cam + the single module "pinco pallino" you need... and should pay the updates of all the different modules you use...
3)the fact that in the cam (for example) some software can behave better in some circumstances does not mean that then they are excellent throughout the rest of the functions or in their daily "usability". .
4)I agree that because of "newness" toptron is not the flag holder...and that it is perfect (because it also applies to all others). .
5)In spite of what is said above I find summittron and10 globally interesting and at the pace with times
Dylan
Guest
1) and 2) ... precisely... true is a competitor in everything and for everything. is addressed to the same public. serves precisely in manufacturing as tops. Even the cost is similar. Maybe he's gonna have some shit, too, but in the detail of the cam I pointed out, he's been calculating in becgraund for years, and he's doing that shot I'd need a lot. I'd save frigging hours at the end of the year...
..can catch if we want it's not just a cam but a platform with packages.
all this to say that the 10th as the bearer of novelty of who knows what thickness and instead? are the things that other year have been
..I should have bought all the other cams but my dears here the duck does not float! !
dylan
stinit
Guest
what I wanted to say is that every software has its merits and its defects...the budget of predictions/ defects places the software in the market (low-media-high-manufacturing-design etc.)1) and 2) ... precisely... true is a competitor in everything and for everything. is addressed to the same public. serves precisely in manufacturing as tops. Even the cost is similar. Maybe he's gonna have some shit, too, but in the detail of the cam I pointed out, he's been calculating in becgraund for years, and he's doing that shot I'd need a lot. I'd save frigging hours at the end of the year...
..can catch if we want it's not just a cam but a platform with packages.
all this to say that the 10th as the bearer of novelty of who knows what thickness and instead? are the things that other year have been
I should have bought all the other cams but my dears here the duck does not float! !
dylan
if in the work that takes place daily the data function of the data software turns out to be decisive / indispensable considering the economic return it is worth thinking of orienting itself on that in the purchase (and in the annual maintenance)...it is useless to hope that the software in own possession is fulfilled.. .
but if the balance of functions (of those that do not work and of those that do not work) is equal there is little to do... as someone says "degustibus"